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Elephant Kills Pittsburgh Woman in Africa (while she was visiting Peace Corps daughter)
Pittsburgh Post Gazette ^ | Dec. 9 2003 | Mackenzie Carpenter

Posted on 12/09/2003 5:50:35 PM PST by mountaineer

All her life, Heather Uber loved adventure and the outdoors, so when her older daughter joined the Peace Corps and moved to the West African nation of Cameroon in September 2002, Uber eagerly made plans to travel there.

But that visit ended tragically Thursday morning when Uber, a 55-year old mother of four, was killed by a rampaging elephant while visiting a wildlife park with her husband and daughter.

Uber, of Point Breeze, suffered internal injuries when she was knocked down by the elephant, which suddenly charged at the group from a distance of about 40 feet, said Ned Uber.

"Everything happened so fast," said Uber, who, along with his daughter, Holly, 23, was able to dodge behind a tree. But his wife and another member of the party were knocked to the ground. "Heather ended up getting bumped by the elephant's tusk in the lower left abdomen. We all tried to run around a tree, but they're really fast compared to people."

It took nearly an hour to get Heather Uber out of the park, and then, another two hours by car over nearly 100 miles of bumpy roads to the nearest hospital in the city of Garoua. Uber, who had lost consciousness during the car ride, died only a few minutes after arriving at the hospital.

"At some point, she thought she wasn't going to make it, so she started telling us to make sure we told [our other children] she loved them," her husband said. "And she told us not to blame ourselves for making the trip. And she said a lot of other good things."

(Excerpt) Read more at postgazette.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: africa; cameroon; crushed; elephant; peacecorps; pittsburgh
Poor thing, what a horrible way to go!
1 posted on 12/09/2003 5:50:35 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: martin_fierro; xsmommy; Badray; smokeyb; pubmom
What the heck, martin, may as well hit the ping list, please.
2 posted on 12/09/2003 5:58:45 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
The article had a lot of praise for her. It's nice that she was so well thought of.

Too bad those minutes it takes to get in trouble aren't used to reflect on how an accident may affect others.
3 posted on 12/09/2003 6:00:34 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: mountaineer
Dreadful; poor thing. Her daughter will likely feel guilt about this.
4 posted on 12/09/2003 6:02:22 PM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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To: mountaineer
Elephants aren't something to mess around with. Forty feet is only 13 paces. I don't think I'd want to be so close to one in the wild.
5 posted on 12/09/2003 6:03:42 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: mountaineer
This is like watching Antique Roadshow.

Boring.

6 posted on 12/09/2003 6:09:17 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Prodigal Son
"Elephants aren't something to mess around with."

Amen to that....this is why I won't allow my son to ride an elephant at our local fairs.
7 posted on 12/09/2003 6:19:29 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: mountaineer
I wonder if they are Democrats ? (sorry, I couldn't resist)
8 posted on 12/09/2003 6:20:54 PM PST by smokeyb
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To: mountaineer
Reminds me of a trip I made with the family to the Ding Darling Preserve on Sanibel Island. I got out of my van with my daughter on my shoulders to look at an American Crocodile which was sunning itself in the sand. I approached to a caution tape which was strung about 40 feet from the Croc to have a closer look when a retired lady (the park is staffed mostly by retired volunteers) came up to me and said "Please don't get any closer. These Crocodiles can move very quickly for short distances."

I told her, "Lady, I don't have to outrun the Croc, just you."

She looked at me for an instant and then exploded in laughter. True story.

9 posted on 12/09/2003 6:22:07 PM PST by yooper
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To: mountaineer
I cannot feel sorry for ignorant leftists who think that nature is 'peaceful' and only humans are 'mean spirited' --- sorry.

Common sense would tell me that 40 feet is a bit too close to a bull elephant. There was no "rampage" he was defending himself, his family, his territory.
10 posted on 12/09/2003 6:23:01 PM PST by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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11 posted on 12/09/2003 6:25:41 PM PST by martin_fierro (Ohhh... ehhh... ┐Peeka Panish?)
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To: yooper; cardinal4
About 20 years ago, my partner and I were working at the embassy in N'Djamena, Chad. We hired an embassy Land Cruiser/driver one Sunday. We crossed the Chari river on a floating raft and went into Cameroun. The driver took us south for a couple of hours into the Waza Game Reserve. We were turned over to an Ibo guide, who took us into elephant territory. We sneaked up on a herd of about 50 of the brutes, from baby calves to old patriarchs. The Ibo guide was a bit nervous. We were about 100 yards away from their watering hole, snapping pictures. Finally, the Ibo insisted that we return to the Land Cruiser before any of us spooked the herd. The elephants are not to be messed with; they are real short on senses of humor.
12 posted on 12/09/2003 6:28:30 PM PST by Ax
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To: smokeyb
Who cares you sicko?
13 posted on 12/09/2003 6:44:44 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: steplock
I'm sure you've never done anything dumb before? For instance, have you ever driven in an unsafe manner or followed to closely behind the car in front of you or driven after you drank a little too much?
14 posted on 12/09/2003 6:45:41 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: mountaineer
"At some point, she thought she wasn't going to make it, so she started telling us to make sure we told [our other children] she loved them," her husband said. "And she told us not to blame ourselves for making the trip. And she said a lot of other good things."


Terribly sad indeed. At least she was able to have last words with her family and I hope that this will bring some comfort to them. I can only imagine the tremendous amount of guilt this fellow could have replaying the whole incident over and over about not grabbing her and pulling her out of the way in time.
15 posted on 12/09/2003 6:45:47 PM PST by AppauledAtAppeasementConservat (An educated fool, in the end, is still a fool.)
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To: mountaineer
Sad story. Also sad are some of the really tacky remarks made here by some posters.
16 posted on 12/09/2003 6:51:57 PM PST by ladyinred (The Left have blood on their hands!)
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To: mountaineer
People don't realize how fast elephants can move or how deadly they can be. People who would be wary around a lion don't regard elephants and hippos as threats and so they aren't careful.

Poor lady.

17 posted on 12/09/2003 6:55:29 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (My ex is saying that I have become hostile. I wonder why Speed-bump would think that?)
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To: mountaineer

18 posted on 12/09/2003 7:06:39 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: mountaineer
Very sad, indeed.
19 posted on 12/09/2003 8:16:29 PM PST by pubmom
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To: mountaineer
Uber, of Point Breeze, suffered internal injuries when she was knocked down by the elephant, which suddenly charged at the group from a distance of about 40 feet, said Ned Uber.

I'm sorry this woman was killed, but anyone who would get 40 feet from a wild elephant is just being reckless and foolish

If you invade an animal's personal space of course it's going to react. And elephants don't feel the need to back down

20 posted on 12/09/2003 8:20:10 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: mountaineer
I've always wanted a pair of elephant boots.
21 posted on 12/09/2003 8:24:28 PM PST by Stentor
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To: martin_fierro
What is it about Pittsburgh women and Elephants? Here's a picture of WPTT/WJAS traffic reporter Carol Finelli in Phuk Et Thailand. I wish I could find the picture of her with the truck wrapped around her while she strokes it lovingly. Barf ALERT!

And then remember the story a few months ago when a woman attendant at the Pittsburgh zoo was trampled by an elephant?

Coninky dink?

FWIW I feel sorry for the woman from Pt Breeze and her family, however as others have noted...if ya go goofin' wit da bees, expect to get stung.

prisoner6

22 posted on 12/10/2003 12:35:45 AM PST by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: prisoner6
Another pic of Carol Finelli doing her...ummm...thang.

prisoner6

23 posted on 12/10/2003 12:38:13 AM PST by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: mountaineer
we had a seemingly accomplished and nice young lady travel with her family to Zimbabwe (sp?) for vacation...they must have had money because I'm sure it cost a bundle...

well, the worse thing happened....she was killed right in front of her family by an alligator.....very sad....

but the moral of the story is you do not take wildlife lightly.....these so-called adventure trips are not your walk in the park, even though THAT can be an adventure sometimes....

just because you have money, or think you know what you're doing does not make it anymore safe for you.....accidents happen....

24 posted on 12/10/2003 12:46:36 AM PST by cherry
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To: WackyKat; hellinahandcart; aculeus
I'm sorry this woman was killed, but anyone who would get 40 feet from a wild elephant is just being reckless and foolish

I think people watch nature shows on PBS and Discovery, and think that the wildlife are all peace and love and will simply ignore human observers. Those zoom shots make it look like the camera crews are 15 feet or less from the action.

While this story is sad, I'll admit that the first thing that came to mind here, was that there was a maroon in Camaroon. :-/

25 posted on 12/10/2003 12:56:05 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Major_Risktaker
For some reason (maybe because it's 4:30 am), your elephant picture reminds me of a story my husband has.

His mother had some neighbors, aging hippies without a lot of money. They mentioned they were going to heat their house with a wood burner in the winter, so my MIL mentioned it to my husband. We have some wooded acreage, and he had cut down a number of trees and was looking for help to clean it up.

He takes Mr Hippie up to the woods with him (each have their own chainsaws), and hubby starts cutting wood. He notices Mr Hippie having trouble starting the chainsaw, so he goes over and offers to help get it going. He got it started, but when he pointed out a dead tree that would be great for firewood, Mr Hippie says "But look at those holes, those are animal homes" (looking at woodpecker holes). Not an auspicious start.

My husband goes back to work and gets his pickup truck filled, and checks on Mr Hippie again, who has 3 pieces of wood in the back of his truck. They start talking, and my husband tells him about wanting to clear of the trees and the brush to have some pasture land, since he'd like to raise some animals, like goats.

Mr Hippie says "Have you ever looked in a goats eyes? They don't care about you"!!!

Look back at the picture of the elephant, and think about Mr Hippies words... He thinks goats don't care? I don't think that elephant cares, and he can do a lot more damage!

So much for my early morning story. Mr Hippie left without taking any more wood; burning "animal homes" must've been more sacrilege than he could muster.
26 posted on 12/10/2003 1:37:32 AM PST by Kay Ludlow ( who had a very long day at work)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
I think people watch nature shows on PBS and Discovery, and think that the wildlife are all peace and love and will simply ignore human observers. Those zoom shots make it look like the camera crews are 15 feet or less from the action.

I think you're right. The nature documentaries also invent little stories about the animals, their interaction with other animals, their "families," and then they give them cute names to add some drama, and it's no wonder the viewers might think an elephant is just a big gentle, harmless creature.

27 posted on 12/10/2003 4:36:47 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Kay Ludlow
Mr Hippie says "Have you ever looked in a goats eyes? They don't care about you"!!!

Look back at the picture of the elephant, and think about Mr Hippies words... He thinks goats don't care? I don't think that elephant cares, and he can do a lot more damage!

Nice story about Mr. Hippie...He is kinda right about those eyes.

Have you ever looked in a human eyes?
They don't care about you either, but how
can you tell when one will attack?

Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov

Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili

" Communism has been human kinds greatest social
engineering experiment. It failed utterly and in doing
so it killed about 110,000,000 men, women, and
children, not to mention the near 30,000,000 of its
subjects that died in its often aggressive wars
and the rebellions it provoked."

The Brahmin inventor of Totalitarianism and Communism

Karl Marx

If it wasn't for the idiots above the world
may never have seen the idiots below.

Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler

I wish Mr. Hippie's goats were all us humans had to worry about. Welcome to plant Earth and enjoy the good times because you never know who the next 5 idiots are going be.

sorry had a bad dream last night...

28 posted on 12/10/2003 6:10:26 AM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Who cares you sicko?

Well I am sure she wouldn't be attacked by a Donkey ! Lighten up. It's sad but it also shows the stupidity of the feely leftist enviornmental nuts. I am more saddened by the death of our soldiers that are protecting us than by someone who does something stupid for themselves.

29 posted on 12/10/2003 8:09:26 AM PST by smokeyb
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To: smokeyb
Unless you read a different article or know these people personally (and your comments show that you don't), I don't see how these people are "feely leftist environemntal nuts." They went to see some elephants in Cameroon and it went horribly wrong. Pray for this family.
30 posted on 12/10/2003 4:51:40 PM PST by zimdog
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To: Major_Risktaker
This post is really off topic and illogical.

Saying "if inot for Marx, Hitler would have never been possible" is a bit like saying "if not for the Crusades, al-Qaida would have never been possible"
31 posted on 12/10/2003 5:28:06 PM PST by zimdog
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To: smokeyb
Well, I am more saddened when an American soldier dies too, but that doesn't mean I don't feel for someone else who dies. Especially someone who is simply visiting their daughter and trying to see Africa.
32 posted on 12/10/2003 6:36:28 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: zimdog
Unless you are from Pittsburgh (which I am) and know where they live (Point Breeze-solid 'feely leftist environmental nut area')and obviously you don't realized who makes up a majority of the Peace Corps, I can see why you can't understand the dangerous nature of what they did. They didn't just go to a zoo. And these are not domesticated animals. I guarantee that family will advise people never to do what they did.
33 posted on 12/10/2003 6:43:07 PM PST by smokeyb
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To: smokeyb
are you saying that their political views are what made it a dangerous trip? would it have been safer if they had been thinking kiplingesque thoughts of safari?

well, if they had brought an elephant gun, maybe :)
34 posted on 12/10/2003 6:54:07 PM PST by zimdog
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To: prisoner6
Phuk Et?

Is this a joke?
35 posted on 12/10/2003 6:56:35 PM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog
That is a dangerous trip for anyone. Their political views tend to make them ignorant to the dangers of these animals. They want to save them from man then can't understand why the animals attack man to defend themselves.
36 posted on 12/10/2003 7:12:52 PM PST by smokeyb
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To: smokeyb
I think you're reading too much into this tragedy.

Any tour company worth it's license will warn people of the dangers of these animals and if not, the daughter in the Peace Corps had certainly had enough experience with the local wildlife to understand the danger of something like an elephant.

I'd say that wildlife shows contributed to this in some way. You see animal shots on the discovery channel, but you never see the comically huge telephoto lenses used to get those shots.
37 posted on 12/10/2003 7:39:57 PM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog
Nope...it's a real place, except I think it's spelled Phu Ket or Phukett. Finelli claims it's pronounced Foo-Kay, but you and I know better.

prisoner6

38 posted on 12/10/2003 9:21:10 PM PST by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: prisoner6
So that's what Carol Finelli looks like. I kept hearing that she was cute. (I know, I'm the pot and I'm talking about the kettle.)
39 posted on 12/10/2003 11:02:15 PM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I'm sure you've never done anything dumb before

If I do something dumb, and it catches up with me, I fully expect you to laugh at me.

40 posted on 12/10/2003 11:10:10 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: zimdog; smokeyb
"Unless you read a different article or know these people personally (and your comments show that you don't), I don't see how these people are "feely leftist environemntal nuts." They went to see some elephants in Cameroon and it went horribly wrong. Pray for this family."

What a tragic waste of life.

That said, I must agree with smokeyb. After reading the article and doing a little liberal new math, there is no doubt in my mind either that they were both left wing and touchy feely enviromentalists and animal lovers who probably donate to PETA.

Heather names her children Holly, Swain, and Bronwyn. They live in an area that is ultra liberal. One daughter joined the Peace Corps - a seemingly noble, but altogether leftist idealistic stronghold.

I'm sure they are/were wonderful people who loved each other, but when you look at the 'math', it says that smokeyb is right.

41 posted on 12/10/2003 11:14:50 PM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: zimdog
I think you're reading too much into this tragedy.

I made a silly comment about them being Democrats because they were attacked by an elephant(Republican mascot, right?) Some individuals read too much into my comment.

Any tour company worth it's license will warn people of the dangers of these animals and if not, the daughter in the Peace Corps had certainly had enough experience with the local wildlife to understand the danger of something like an elephant.

This was Cameroon ! not the regulated United States ! And the daughter obviously DIDN'T have enough experience or her mother would still be alive.

42 posted on 12/11/2003 4:12:06 PM PST by smokeyb
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To: zimdog
Saying "if inot for Marx, Hitler would have never been possible" is a bit like saying "if not for the Crusades, al-Qaida would have never been possible"

I'm not getting your analogy.

43 posted on 12/11/2003 10:35:19 PM PST by stands2reason (What good does it do you to "win" a debate in an insane asylum?)
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To: stands2reason
Hitler's early political campaigns were against Marxists. The original analogy (Marx --> Hitler & MUssolini) is a non-sequitor
44 posted on 12/12/2003 12:24:52 PM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog
Actually the Ubers can hardly be described as leftists. They are,were members of a conservative Swedenborgian community. Many religious conservatives, unlike our posters, believe that good works don't belong to one political niche. As for their blindness to danger, the Ubers paid terribly for a mistake that thousands of people make in "safari parks" every year. I don't share their politics or their religious faith, but I do comprehend their grief.
45 posted on 01/12/2004 5:55:15 PM PST by Rectify
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To: Badray
This lady's brother was my wrestling coach. HE was a colonel in the Marine Corps reserves, who flew helicopters. They were neighbors of mine in Point Breeze as well, and I grew up in the same small denomination as they. They are wonderful people, and probably would be moderates, not leftists. Its odd to see people you know being talked about in this manner. I've done it myself - but it is odd, and I hope Ned does not look up this thread!
I found it by Googling "Uber, Elephant, Pittsburgh" as I was trying to find the history because I'm recently back in touch with these old neighbors.
46 posted on 07/15/2006 3:27:32 PM PDT by Sucession Covenanter (Elephants and such)
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