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Coming Out In Corporate America Gays are making huge strides everywhere,...
Business Week ^ | DECEMBER 15, 2003

Posted on 12/09/2003 7:46:59 PM PST by narses

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:16:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Gays are making huge strides everywhere, but in the executive suite.

One chilly fall day last year, Gary Osifchin trooped into a mandatory training session at S.C. Johnson & Son Inc. The privately held company, located in Racine, Wis., which was voted 2003's "all-American city" by the National Civic League, manufactures Raid insecticide and Glade air fresheners. It's the kind of place where factory workers ride to the assembly line on Harley-Davidsons, dine on local bratwurst, and chase it down with Milwaukee beer.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: aids; antimarriage; catholiclist; gayscomeout; gaysflauntsin; gaze; homosexualagenda; homosexualvice; marriage; militantgays; perversion; protectedclass; romans1; sexualsin; sexualvice; thoughtpolice
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1 posted on 12/09/2003 7:47:00 PM PST by narses
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To: GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; livius; ...
Your company may be subsidizing the health insurance of "gays". Is there a cost to business for this? Do they pass that cost on to the "straight" employees?
2 posted on 12/09/2003 7:48:14 PM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
Where was the barf alert?

SM
3 posted on 12/09/2003 7:50:57 PM PST by Senormechanico ("Face piles of trials with smiles...it riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave.)
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To: narses
Your company may be subsidizing the health insurance of "gays". Is there a cost to business for this? Do they pass that cost on to the "straight" employees?

So? I could care less. If they contribute to the welfare and profitability of the company, they deserve the same benefits I do.

My company does NOT provide for health benefits of domestic partners, gay or straight.

4 posted on 12/09/2003 7:53:19 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: narses
Our company has a fair number of gays, they're productive and valuable emloyees. What's the issue?
5 posted on 12/09/2003 7:56:04 PM PST by don'tbedenied
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To: narses
Coming Out In Corporate America Gays are making huge strides everywhere,...

Hmmmm... now we'll all have to wonder what he really means when he says "my boss is a hard ass!"

6 posted on 12/09/2003 8:02:02 PM PST by ambrose
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To: sinkspur
So? I could care less. If they contribute to the welfare and profitability of the company, they deserve the same benefits I do.

I feel the same way. My company does provide benefits for gay partners. Looking around at a recent national meeting I see they also provide benefits for the obese, smokers, pregnant women, etc. It never occurred to me to wonder what this cost me.

7 posted on 12/09/2003 8:03:11 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: don'tbedenied
I don't think most people have an issue with gays, some of the most productive and creative employees. I think the issue is with militant gays, who are actually trying to force their lifestyle on others, including children. Unfortunately, they color the whole movement, since the press loves to cover it and the hollyweird types try to push their agenda on the rest of society.
8 posted on 12/09/2003 8:06:08 PM PST by Indie (The Nazis were Socialists. Dean, you are a Nazi.)
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To: Dolphy
I don't like the fact that an employer would provide benefits to domestic partners, but it is their business if they coose to do so. I would really protest if gov't forced them to do so (ala San Fransisco, etc.).
9 posted on 12/09/2003 8:06:36 PM PST by umgud (gov't has more money than it needs, but never as much as it wants)
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To: narses
Your company may be subsidizing the health insurance of "gays". Is there a cost to business for this? Do they pass that cost on to the "straight" employees?

Companies also subsidize the health costs of people who are overweight, smoke, never exercise, eat nothing but junk food, and have all sorts of diseases as a result of their lifestyles.

But you don't get all twisted out of shape over that , do you?

No. it's just the gay employees you want to be bigoted against.

10 posted on 12/09/2003 8:08:20 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: sinkspur
If you are correct about your firm, then your firm isn't the question. BUT, as an alleged "deacon" of the Roman Catholic Church, why do you not care about the mortal sins of your neighbors? Is your love for them lacking somehow?
11 posted on 12/09/2003 8:10:21 PM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: WackyKat
What "bigotry"? How much does an AIDS patient cost? Why create an new "protected class" based on sexual deviancy? ESPECIALLY when such deviancy creates extraordinary expenses?
12 posted on 12/09/2003 8:12:24 PM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
why do you not care about the mortal sins of your neighbors? Is your love for them lacking somehow?

The owner of my company decides who gets health benefits, not me.

I have no idea who is gay and who is not in my company. I have a remote office and only speak with other support personnel by phone.

13 posted on 12/09/2003 8:16:35 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
So how do you know ANY of them are "gay"? Or are you just posturing?
14 posted on 12/09/2003 8:21:39 PM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
Gays already have full legal equality. What they seek (and are quickly getting) is full legal and social sanction for their behaviour. Under this line of reasoning, child-molesters or murderers should also get such legal sanction. We all know that morality has no place in law.
15 posted on 12/09/2003 8:22:45 PM PST by August West (To each according to his ability, from each according to his need...)
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http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_50/b3862086.htm

A Rainbow Tint For Corporate Vendors
The National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce's co-founder aims to promote supplier diversity by flexing "collective economic muscle"

The National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce received funding from IBM (IBM ) and others in May, 2002, to serve as an umbrella organization for gay-owned and -operated businesses. BusinessWeek spoke to co-founder Justin Nelson about the group's goals. Here are edited excerpts of that conversation:

Q: Why is there a need for a gay Chamber of Commerce?
A: There are a lot of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender advocacy groups out there. But what we didn't have was an economic voice, a way to flex our economic muscle and say: "We're more than businessmen and women, more than a marketing base, we're also a supply base for other larger businesses."

Q: A lot of businesses market to the gay community, and there are already local gay chambers of commerce, aren't there?
A: We serve as the umbrella organization in Washington for about 55 state and local chapters. By speaking with a larger voice, we can flex our collective economic muscle -- similar to what you saw with the rise of the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce years ago.

Q: How do you help gay-owned businesses?
A: Members will have access to capital from banks to help them grow. They will benefit from group purchasing power and networking. Even better, they'll be able to tap an estimated $80 billion in procurement contracts through our supplier-diversity program.

Q: How does a gay supplier-diversity program work?
A: Many big companies want to expand their supplier base and demonstrate their commitment to diversity but, in the case of the gay community, didn't have a way to certify that a business could actually be classified gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender. We'll be handling that certification program and creating a directory of such companies.

Q: Just a few years ago, it hardly seemed possible that Corporate America would be thinking about finding gay suppliers. What has changed?
A: It's going beyond liquor companies and airlines and party promoters now. Face it, times are tough, and when you begin looking for people who are willing to spend money, it's hard to overlook the fact that gay people are big consumers, with high disposable incomes. But the trick for companies is that gay people also are demanding that if they buy from you, you need to give something back either in the form of recognition or opportunity.
16 posted on 12/09/2003 8:23:04 PM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
I don't know if any of them are gay. We may have no gay employees.

But, if we do, I don't care if they are covered by health benefits. And neither does the owner of my company, a lifelong, Tridentine Rite Catholic.

17 posted on 12/09/2003 8:23:15 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: August West
EXACTLY!
18 posted on 12/09/2003 8:24:07 PM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: sinkspur
Really? You've asked this Tridentine Catholic (do you call him names. or does he attend a Chapel you approve of?) about this, or are you just assuming?
19 posted on 12/09/2003 8:28:46 PM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: sinkspur
BTW, does your employer allow smoking? Are smokers encouraged to quit?
20 posted on 12/09/2003 8:30:20 PM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
You've asked this Tridentine Catholic (do you call him names. or does he attend a Chapel you approve of?) about this, or are you just assuming?

Actually he's SSPX; I was being nice.

No, I've never asked him about it, but he covers everybody in the company, so I assume he doesn't care whether someone is gay or not.

21 posted on 12/09/2003 8:32:01 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Dolphy
I feel the same way. My company does provide benefits for gay partners. Looking around at a recent national meeting I see they also provide benefits for the obese, smokers, pregnant women, etc. It never occurred to me to wonder what this cost me.

Most smokers work and die an early death on the job from heart attacks or lung cancer. Fat people die young. I don't get the jab about pregnant women; It's nature.

I would complain about gay couple benefits. Gays don't procreate. They should not have adopted or artificially inseminated children as they will screw up many young minds. Children need to experience the intimate dynamic interplay between men and women. Denying children this experience is akin to selfish parents who bring up a lonely, only child. I met so many only children who feel left out because they don't have a brother or sister.

Gays are extremely promiscuous, so much so that the hard to acquire AIDS disease is pandemic among them. They just stand out as a big liability.

What really bothers me is most gays are childless. Why does one partner get benefits for the couple? I would think both are working. Is the other just a layabout flower? I thought gays tooted their own horn on how productive they are. The need for domestic benefits is a rouse.

22 posted on 12/09/2003 8:33:11 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: narses
BTW, does your employer allow smoking? Are smokers encouraged to quit?

Employees smoke, outside the headquarters building. He doesn't say anything, one way or another.

23 posted on 12/09/2003 8:33:23 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
"..., so I assume he doesn't care whether someone is gay or not."

The truth, at last.

Why do companies discourage hiring smokers and encourage employees who smoke to quit?
24 posted on 12/09/2003 8:33:32 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)
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To: narses
Lemme tell ya something about gaze in the workplace. Employers LOVE 'em. No kids to distract 'em. A compulsion about money so they can buy stylish junk, and this leads to job loyalty. A certain fastidiousness that makes them oh, so conscientious about detail. They put in their 25 or 30 years and then die when they're 49 of hepatitus or AIDS or something. Buh Bye! Next worker drone?
25 posted on 12/09/2003 8:33:54 PM PST by duckworth
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To: narses
Why do companies discourage hiring smokers and encourage employees who smoke to quit?

I dunno. Smokers die earlier and help keep Social Security solvent.

26 posted on 12/09/2003 8:36:15 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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Here's a hint "deacon":

The U.S. Office of Personnel Management supports and encourages agency authorized programs aimed at health promotion and disease prevention, including smoking cessation programs. According to reports issued by the Surgeon General, smoking is the chief avoidable cause of death in our society. Programs designed to help employees stop smoking are in the best health interests of those Federal employees who smoke and those who do not smoke. These programs may also contribute to improved organizational performance and productivity.

http://www.opm.gov/ehs/Smoking1.asp
27 posted on 12/09/2003 8:36:54 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)
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To: Dolphy
Why stop at benefits for gay partners? Why not a friend, a brother or sister, a lover, a dog or cat? A gay partner is not a family member by way of marriage. They should have no more rights then a neighbor. Until gays are allowed to be married, they should have no special claims.
28 posted on 12/09/2003 8:37:47 PM PST by tbird5
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To: narses
I don't care whether someone smokes or not. I don't.
29 posted on 12/09/2003 8:37:56 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: narses
If you want to move up the ladder at CocaCola corp......just come out of the closet...i know this from close sources.
30 posted on 12/09/2003 8:39:59 PM PST by teldon30
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To: sinkspur
So? I could care less. If they contribute to the welfare and profitability of the company, they deserve the same benefits I do.

Exactly.
But I expect this debate will lead to complaints about how our insurance premiums are helping to pay for meds for gays who have AIDS and really deserve to die because they might have done something wrong to catch it etc. etc.

Excuse me if this hasn't come up already. I haven't read all the posts.

31 posted on 12/09/2003 8:41:02 PM PST by Jorge
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To: teldon30
That's another point. Does having a "gay" suppport group create a "gay" affirmative action environment? Does "gay" sensitivity training create a hostile environment for those who feel that sexual deviancy is sinful and wrong?
32 posted on 12/09/2003 8:42:50 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)
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To: sinkspur
Smoking and even more dangerous behavior, such as sexual deviancy doesn't concern you, right "deacon"? But you say, "Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)"

So your brother, you don't care about, his cat you'll save? How "Catholic" of you.
33 posted on 12/09/2003 8:44:26 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)
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To: narses
What "bigotry"?

Well, for starters, it's the attitude that people are immoral simply because they don't share the irrational prejudices that are taught by your particular religious sect.

34 posted on 12/09/2003 9:17:34 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: narses
Smoking and even more dangerous behavior, such as sexual deviancy doesn't concern you, right "deacon"?

I don't make it a practice to rebuke other people for their vices. Maybe you do.

If you objected to my three glasses of wine every night, I'd tell you to mind your own business.

So your brother, you don't care about, his cat you'll save?

I care about "my brother," but I don't butt into his personal decisions. And, yes, I'll take his cat off his hands if he doesn't want it.

35 posted on 12/09/2003 9:20:57 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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Well, for starters, it's the attitude that people are immoral simply because they don't share the irrational prejudices that are taught by your particular religious sect.

So to believe what the Catholic Church believes is to be a BIGOT?

36 posted on 12/09/2003 9:22:14 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)
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To: sinkspur
Three glasses of wine doesn't make a mortal sin "Deacon". You seem to ignore your fraternal obligations in the real world while finding it easy to rebuke others here on the 'net. What a great example you set.
37 posted on 12/09/2003 9:23:39 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)
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To: narses
You seem to ignore your fraternal obligations in the real world while finding it easy to rebuke others here on the 'net. What a great example you set.

Smoking's not a mortal sin, either.

And, do you make a practice of niggling gay people?

What gives you the right?

How weird.

38 posted on 12/09/2003 9:28:39 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: narses
Actually, my company subsidises the health insurance of married people -- or rather, it forces singles in its health plan to subsidise marrieds, shifting the preponderance of recent premium increases to the former.
39 posted on 12/09/2003 9:28:43 PM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: sinkspur
You have a real problem with answering question and with logic. While neither drinking in moderation nor smoking are sins, open sexual deviancy is. All three have health issues. Smoking is DISCOURAGED to help employers save money, sexual deviancy is encouraged and you wash your hands. When are you a Catholic "deacon"? Just on Sunday?
40 posted on 12/09/2003 9:31:38 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)
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To: Romulus
Will they do the same for "domestic partners"?
41 posted on 12/09/2003 9:32:52 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)
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the owner of my company, a lifelong, Tridentine Rite Catholic.

Now this is what I call Breaking News!

Could it be that Sinkspur's bitter disdain for the Tridentine rite is nothing more than a projection of labor relations grievances?

The mind boggles. ;-)

42 posted on 12/09/2003 9:35:08 PM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: sinkspur
I wonder...when is it appropriate to talk about sex in the workplace. Why would the topic even come up?
43 posted on 12/09/2003 9:37:01 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: narses
Nope.
44 posted on 12/09/2003 9:38:15 PM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: Romulus
Could it be that Sinkspur's bitter disdain for the Tridentine rite is nothing more than a projection of labor relations grievances?

I don't have a "bitter disdain" for the Tridentine Rite.

I'm paid very well. And, as I said in a later post, he actually belongs to the SSPX.

He could be a Rastafarian; as long as he pays me as well as he does, I don't care.

45 posted on 12/09/2003 9:38:17 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Romulus
An interesting idea. I'll bet their Christmas Party would be worth the price of admission.
46 posted on 12/09/2003 9:40:16 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)
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"He could be a Rastafarian; as long as he pays me as well as he does, I don't care."

Would you work for Planned Parenthood?
47 posted on 12/09/2003 9:41:41 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)
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To: narses
I have a job.

Also, in response to a previous post of yours, we don't have a Christmas Party.

48 posted on 12/09/2003 9:42:39 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: narses
Insofar as it concerns homosexuality, you bet I do
49 posted on 12/09/2003 9:43:38 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: sinkspur
You didn't answer the question though. Silence ill becomes a cleric "deacon".
50 posted on 12/09/2003 9:45:39 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Ping list, please email me.)
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