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Has Bush betrayed GOP values?
The Desert Sun ^

Posted on 12/10/2003 11:33:12 AM PST by Stew Padasso

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:43:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

"The majority of Repub-licans, at the urging of the president and GOP congres-sional leaders, voted for the $7 trillion prescription drug entitlement to become the nationís new welfare-state party, depriving the Democrat Party of its sole claim as champion of big government."


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush43; gop; heritagefoundation; medicare
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To: Stew Padasso
You obviously don't remember Ronald Reagan. We heard the same criticism of Reagan during his first term. (that was when Ron Paul was running on a pro-abortion; legalization of drugs platform)
41 posted on 12/10/2003 12:21:32 PM PST by bayourod (Don't start no shit won't be no shit.)
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To: Southack
I've been typing about this all day, so hopefully you won't mind if I dismiss your dismissiveness.

If you want to think it's a good bargain to trade a web page or bumper stickers for TV ads, that's your right (for now, at least), but I don't think it's what the founders had in mind. What the hell is so unclear about the words CONGRESS SHAL MAKE NO LAW...?!

Lets stick around and see just how wonderful you think some of these new laws are when the dems eventually get back in the whate house. I'm sure that hilliary's AG would never think about using these things against anyone to the right of her.
42 posted on 12/10/2003 12:21:39 PM PST by Orangedog (difference between a hamster & a gerbil?..there's more dark-meat on a hamster!)
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To: YaYa123
...Over the long haul, we will look back on his first four years as president, as earth shattering, mind boggling to the left...

That is the truth.
43 posted on 12/10/2003 12:22:13 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Stew Padasso
"Are they going to vote for Howard Dean?" Souder asked."

No. But they can stay home election night. And they certainly can skip volunteering, donating funds and supporting Bush's relection bid.

44 posted on 12/10/2003 12:27:16 PM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Orangedog
And no, I didn't bother to proof read or hit the spell check!
45 posted on 12/10/2003 12:27:33 PM PST by Orangedog (difference between a hamster & a gerbil?..there's more dark-meat on a hamster!)
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To: thoughtomator
There any room in here for those of us who admire Bush's accomplishments, but are alarmed at the outrageous level of government spending, gross negligence in immigration matters, and acquiescence to judicial tyranny?

I'm with you.

46 posted on 12/10/2003 12:28:41 PM PST by petercooper (Proud VRWC Neanderthal)
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To: Stew Padasso
What qualifies as a "GOP value" besides winning the next election?

It's all so fuzzy these days...

47 posted on 12/10/2003 12:37:07 PM PST by k2blader (Haruspex, beware.)
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To: Stew Padasso
to pay for drug bill each family..."pay an additional $1,125 in taxes per year by 2030." Figures don't lie but liars can figure is an old phrase that might work here. At the present time fewer than 13% of all people over 65 have an annual prescription bill over $300. It takes a lot to get that number to triple. and that would mean that one tax payer is paying the drug bill of that elderly person.

By the way who knows what will be happening in 2030? Any number of new drug treatments could knock down drug and medical costs. Like fluoride in the water reduced cavities and dentists had to learn to be orthodontists, doctors in 30 years may be practicing a different kind of medicine.

49 posted on 12/10/2003 1:07:58 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: Southack
Started the USA Freedom Corps

Another useless government program

Nominated strong, conservative judges to the judiciary

He nominated two Clinton appointees to the circuit courts- and could not get any constitutionalists on the bench.

Passed Medicare Reform (authorized $39.5 Billion per year for preventive medicine such as drugs and doctor visits as well as included a ten year Privatization option)
Signed into law the No Child Left Behind legislation delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations)
Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.

All unconstitutional

50 posted on 12/10/2003 1:12:17 PM PST by Fast 1975
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To: Stew Padasso
The last Republican to serve in the White House was this man . .

(Unfortunately, the U.S.A. is unable or unwilling to produce another leader such as Ronald Reagan.)

51 posted on 12/10/2003 1:12:25 PM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: Orangedog
(difference between a hamster & a gerbil?..there's more dark-meat on a hamster!)

I thought there was more Gere meat around a hamster.

52 posted on 12/10/2003 1:15:06 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: YaYa123
"If Howard Dean and Al Gore can rid the DNC (and the country), of Clinton power, we can get back to the days of honest political debate, civilized discourse, and reasonable conversation with the other side of the political aisle."

Man, are you naive!
53 posted on 12/10/2003 1:15:30 PM PST by vanmorrison
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To: Orangedog
"I kind of liked being the party that starved babies, killed old folks and poinsoned the air and water."

Yes, Yes, Yes!!!
"Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end..."

It was fun wasn't it? Fueled by hate, motivated by anger...that's what we were like for 8 long, long years, and that's what the democrats are experiencing now.

During the second Bush Administration, because of Bush compromises in the first administration, even when they anger and perplex us conservatives, I'm hopeful Washington politics returns to civility, with honest, decent politicians on both sides of the aisle. Democrats will lose all credibility if they continue to portray Bush as some kind of racist, idiot, madman, intent on enriching his oil friends. Their rhetoric is over the top already.

I think voters have already, and will continue to note the difference in the rhetoric of both sides. Conservatives are basically decent, even when they get strident. Democrats are not. That won't have a swaying impact on hardcore liberal activists, but it will on the majority of Americans who consider themselves liberal voters. I think President Bush is helping to make the Democratic Party obsolete, at least they'll never be the majority again.

President Bush, conservative talk radio, the internet, and the new conservative print media are winning the war of words. Losing a few battles along the way is part of the winning strategy.

54 posted on 12/10/2003 1:25:23 PM PST by YaYa123 (@President Bush Is An Environmentalist....He's Cleaning Up The Air In Washington.com)
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To: vanmorrison
"Man, are you naive!

Could be, but what the heck. I hope you live long enough to prove me wrong...or right.

55 posted on 12/10/2003 1:29:33 PM PST by YaYa123 (@Pollyanna Hqs.com)
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To: Southack
Thanks - and bumping for later
56 posted on 12/10/2003 1:36:18 PM PST by malia (BUSH/CHENEY '04 *A Cherished Constitutional right - the right to vote and have it counted - once.)
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To: Fast 1975
"All unconstitutional"

Nonsense.

57 posted on 12/10/2003 1:38:43 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Vote him out!
58 posted on 12/10/2003 1:41:14 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Stew Padasso
Has Bush betrayed GOP values?

Well, by failing to veto an unconstitutional campaign finance reform bill he's betrayed the Constitution.
59 posted on 12/10/2003 1:42:48 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Southack
You forgot one thing. He signed the CFR bill, you know, the one that lets the government decide what is proper speech in an election year. Today, by a narrow decision, the SC decided that the first ammendment of the US Constitution is not as the framers wrote it but rather the government can decide what speech is proper or not. The next bit of anti-constitutional law that he will sign is the return of the fairness doctrine which will destroy conservative talk radio. If you care I can illustrate how this will do what the liberals can't.

You are correct, GWB has done a lot of things that require more of my money and takes some of my freedoms away, (money is freedom and liberty) the problem is, he is not conservative. BTW, was the CFR a response to Perot and Forbes? If it was, GWB either is stupid, a disloyal President, or just plain out to lunch. You pick one. I did vote for him and because of the slate, will vote for him again. That is indeed how bad the political choices have become.
60 posted on 12/10/2003 1:49:04 PM PST by Final Authority
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