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Vanity: An Open Message to the Republican Party Cheerleaders on this Forum...
12-10-03 | Vanity

Posted on 12/10/2003 7:39:21 PM PST by ambrose

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To: nopardons
I have almost NO faith in my fellow man

And that statement right there makes you the worst sort of 'conservative'. Hamilton and the worthless trash that followed in his name thought the same thing. Do you want a king as he did? I guess as long as they have a R by their name it would be acceptable to you

661 posted on 12/16/2003 5:08:31 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
At the end of the day, the "GOP cheerleaders" that you speak of hate their country. They hate how weak we are, and how little confidence we place in the DC-tax regime or any centers of power be in corporate or government.

They are parasites to power and anti-patriotic. They talk about winning a 'war on global terrorism,' debt financed and fought by teenage girls. Theirs is an ahistorical version of 'America' as an ideology and a twisted abstraction.

With no faith in their fellow man, they have put their faith in not only the state, but the warfare state, some crude combination of Italian styled fascism and Robespierre liberalism. They bang the drum for more warfare, and apologize for the welfare. They are intellectually dishonest when they refuse to accept the responsibility for loss of freedom at home and warfare abroad; they simply whine about Rs and Ds in a quaint sort of way they learned in gubmint school.

But the alien tax regime has already failed, and true Christian patriots and conservative humanists (be they left or right) will be needed to rebuild, and in the meantime we will go on struggling for each man's soul, less they give in to the temptation 'to be as Gods.'




662 posted on 12/16/2003 5:48:51 AM PST by JohnGalt (Attention Pseudocons: Wilsonianrepublic.com is still available)
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To: billbears
You want a benevolent dictator; I don't want a king or anything other than a duly elected, preferrably Conservative, but a Republican at the least president.

And IF you have " faith ", in your fellow man's intellect/brain power, then you don't live in the real word, but in a fantasy, of your own making! A vast portion, of your fellow men, voted for Clinton, TWICE, or stayed home, or voted for some moronic fringe candidate. The more or less conservative Dakotans vote for GOPers, but keep returning Daschle. I could keep right on giving you examples, which challenge your " faith " in flyover country, but your blinders are tied on so tight, that no blood ever reaches your brain.

663 posted on 12/16/2003 8:33:05 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
You want a benevolent dictator; I don't want a king or anything other than a duly elected, preferrably Conservative, but a Republican at the least president.

Tell me, if they're not a conservative, what difference does it matter what party they're from? Does your partisanship go so far as to override conservative thought?

And I have no desire for a benevolent dictator. Nor do I have a desire for a king. However I do have a desire to elect a conservative that follows conservative principles. Not one that calls himself one only to go forth and expand the government to proportions not seen since LBJ

664 posted on 12/16/2003 9:50:21 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
No one,not GOD, HIMSELF, would be Conservative enough for you.

Yes, I'd take a sort of Conservative GOPer. That's a far better choice than a damned Dem. OTOH, you'd rather starve to death, than to accept 1/2 a loaf.

Tell me, did you enjoy the 8 years of the Clintons ? If not, then you'd best try a little pragmatism. ;^)

665 posted on 12/16/2003 9:54:03 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
No one,not GOD, HIMSELF, would be Conservative enough for you.

No, there are more than a few conservatives that would work. Someone along the lines of Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond. Those are men that I would consider conservative.

Yes, I'd take a sort of Conservative GOPer. That's a far better choice than a damned Dem. OTOH, you'd rather starve to death, than to accept 1/2 a loaf.

Well if they're a 'sort of' conservative how is that going to forward this incrementalism you speak of? Surely that type of conservative will be more interested in the votes and to gain those votes would be more apt to compromise any position that would be considered too conservative to gain the most votes. This has happened time and time again on the national stage. Talk a good talk on the stump but when they get into office they're more concerned with playing the game

Tell me, did you enjoy the 8 years of the Clintons ? If not, then you'd best try a little pragmatism. ;^)

Look I'm not calling for a rebirth of the Founders themselves but I would expect some consideration instead of empty promises year after year. As I said I will always give a politician credit where credit is due. I don't dislike President Bush. Rather, I like the man and appreciate the respect he has brought back to the office of the President. However, I'm not going to say he's governing any better than moderate to moderate liberal. And that's why I can't see any progress of incrementalism back to the conservative agenda

666 posted on 12/16/2003 10:03:15 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: ambrose
My hope is that after Bush's reelection he can pursue a truly conservative program, not needing to veer to the center to assure his reelection. Sadly, it's only a hope.
667 posted on 12/16/2003 10:04:19 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: billbears
Strom's dead, Williams and Sowell will NEVER run for any elected position, leave Thomas where he is, and Helms is far too old. See ? You live in fantasy land!

Strom used to be a Dem, a segregations, Sowell is a Libertarian ( and Libertarians are NOT true Conservatives at all ! ),and you can't name me one viable candidate, who would fit YOUR bill. LOL

By " sort of ", I meant someone who isn't as faaaaaaaaaaaaar to the right as I might want and certainly, there is NO ONE, far enough right, to suit your credential test. Reagan was Conservative enough for you!So sort of, to me, includes Reagan and Bush. :-)

Hmmmmmmmmm ... so Bush, the " moderate liberal ", the man who gave us all two tax cuts, is fighting this war superbly, and has a long list ( easily found on FR ! ), of CONSERVATIVE accomplishments,doesn't suit you much.

Look, politics is the realm of the possible; it isn't some pie in the sky, UTOPIAN Nirvana, where everyone gets everything they want in a candidate. The Dems have used incrimentalism well, VERY well, for THEIR purposes. It works.It's baby steps. You are NOT going to get instant gratification; not now...not ever! Get over it! Learn to accept what IS possible, work to keep the damned Dems out, and stop being childish. ;^)

668 posted on 12/16/2003 10:16:53 PM PST by nopardons
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To: dcwusmc
And if you read through it AND read the 10th Amendment, you will realize that there is NO Constitutional authority for the Federal Government to be involved in redistribution of wealth, PERIOD

Thank you. This is worth repeating.

669 posted on 12/26/2003 2:06:09 AM PST by The_Eaglet (Michael Peroutka for President!)
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To: billbears; ambrose
How ... is the largest 2 year expenditure since LBJ conservative? How is expanding a government entitlement to the point of breaking conservative?

It isn't, and passing and signing federal legislation that limits political speech within 60 days of an election is neither conservative nor loyal to the elected official's oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.

670 posted on 12/26/2003 2:17:26 AM PST by The_Eaglet (Michael Peroutka for President!)
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To: ambrose
McCain-Feingold(from the blogasphere) -Daily Campaign Finance Reform thread-day 27
671 posted on 01/06/2004 11:17:45 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: The_Eaglet

Hi. Are you with Chuck Baldwin this time around??


672 posted on 05/15/2008 6:09:23 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Your Free To Vote 4 McCain. I Won't. I Don't Want To Hear Your Gripes Thru His 4 Years of RINO-ism!)
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