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Enough With The Neocon And Paleocon Carping—I'll Stand With George W. Bush In 2004
Toogood Reports ^ | Thursday, December 11, 2003; 12:01 a.m. EST | Bernard Chapin

Posted on 12/10/2003 8:59:00 PM PST by BobbyK

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To: FairOpinion
They'd rather drink poison, or die of thirst, than have even 1/4 of a glass of pure water. And yes, they try and try and TRY to bring the rest of us down with them.

Fortunately, for us, there are now Dems, who would rather vote for President Bush, than any Dem candidate. Isn't it amazing, that some Dems get it, but some supposed " Conservatives " don't ?

51 posted on 12/10/2003 10:26:36 PM PST by nopardons
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To: FairOpinion
I'll never vote for any of the Marxist 'Rat crowd, no chance of that.

However, I'll be G-ddamned if I'll vote again for anyone, Mr. Bush included, who expands gov't shamelessly, entitlements, spending, ''education funding'' (what a tragic joke), all of the above and worse.

And who does NOTHING, not one thing, to protect our borders, to define the difference between citizenship and parisitism, and/or who refuses -- contrary to the oath of office -- to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.

If the president, any president, utterly abandons his oath (never mind the Regress, who haven't had a clue about their respective oath of office for upwards of 30 years), there is no more Republic -- there only remains the doctrine of getwhatchacanwhileyacan, otherwise known as savagery.

If there is no longer recognised and admired either the responsibility of citizenship or the benefits accruing from legitimate citizenship, if the random filth from other nations, who have no intention whatever of even considering American ideals, never mind embracing them, need not even obey the laws of the United States in order to have the taxpayers subsidise them, if our protestations against the political class are to be time-limited according to the whim of those in office, as according to the Supreme Court ruling today...there is little point and enormous risk in continuing to believe that ''America'' is any longer a special nation, ''the last, best hope of mankind''.

And now, which course can we who believe in the Constitution take? Revolt, or leave. If there is a third choice, I cannot name it. Sit passively like sheep and wait for further confiscation of our rights and our property, the better for the politicians to buy votes from the parasites and the non-producers? That option is NOT for me.

Do as your conscience guides, and FReegards to all except the site pests, the one-worlders, and the assorted socialists here.

52 posted on 12/10/2003 10:27:47 PM PST by SAJ
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To: nopardons; FairOpinion; gatorbait; Kay Soze; Dave Olson; squidly; MJY1288; DrDeb; Indie; BobbyK; ...
Looks like it is time for my favorite quote...
"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it. "Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.

"I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'

"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.

~~ Ronald Reagan, in his autobiography, An American Life .


53 posted on 12/10/2003 10:28:19 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: nopardons
Can you find at least three things, that President Bush has done, which you agree with ?

One: Increase defense spending. But only 9/11 sent him down this road. Without 9/11, he was just as willing to keep overall defense spending down.

Two: He cut marginal tax rates on income, captial gains and the duplicate taxation of dividends. But, again, it's all temporary (most of this is the fault of Congress) and go back up in 2011. The usual mantra was, "don't worry, a future GOP Congress will make them permanent". Hmmm, wasn't that the same wimpy argument I heard about Bush signing campaign finance reform as I was wailing against him? They said, "there is no way the Supreme Court is going to affirm this law". HA!

Three: I'll have to get back to you...I'm drawing a blank.

54 posted on 12/10/2003 10:28:50 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: SAJ
"I'll never vote for any of the Marxist 'Rat crowd, no chance of that.

However, I'll be G-ddamned if I'll vote again for anyone, Mr. Bush included... "

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Don't you get it, if you don't vote for Bush, you ARE voting for the Marxist Rat crowd?!

55 posted on 12/10/2003 10:30:05 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Fledermaus
ONLY 2 dozen? You disappoint me, Batsy (w!).

Best of the season to ya!

56 posted on 12/10/2003 10:30:08 PM PST by SAJ
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To: squidly
It's up to them to EARN our votes, not up to us to put up with anything they want to do. Good grief! How can you have things so backwards?
57 posted on 12/10/2003 10:31:46 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Utah Girl
Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.

Yes and this also worked against us nationally after 1994. Newt could not shut up and the "real" conservatives wanted to dismantle the structure yesterday, It does not work that way with the human animal. Renaldous Magnus was right then and he is right now.
58 posted on 12/10/2003 10:31:47 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: FairOpinion
Remember whom your votes against GHW Bush got us: 8 painful years of Clinton.

Exactly....and the Necro-Conservative death N wish is still alive and well.

59 posted on 12/10/2003 10:31:52 PM PST by Consort
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To: Utah Girl
"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.

~~ Ronald Reagan, in his autobiography, An American Life .


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Thank you for posting the Reagan quote. I think you were the first one who posted it at FR. :)

Many of us have been using it since, trying to get the "radical conservatives" to see the light.
60 posted on 12/10/2003 10:32:31 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Not to mention, ask yourself where do the Dems stand on the issues you are criticizing Bush about?

Will you be happier and better off under Dean or Kerry or Hillary, than you are with Bush as President

In answer to this question,yes, for having this would allow the pleasure of unspeakable misery to cause goosebumps for the Principled martyrs .
61 posted on 12/10/2003 10:34:39 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: nopardons
Excuse me? CHildish? LOL YOu must be joking. YOU are the one who is childish, going along with anything the Nanny state prez says to do.
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"Actions and votes have consequences. " That's right, and I intend to hold GWB accountable for his actions! That consequence will be the lack of my vote.

Wow...you people have things backwards! It's up to him to uphold the Conservative platform...not up to us to capitulate because he's "cute", Republican, "hunky."
62 posted on 12/10/2003 10:35:06 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
The SPIN stops here: It wasn't 'our votes' that got us 8 painful years of Clinton, it was GHW's failure to uphold Republican values.

Wrong....cop-out... We all know, as you do, that "It's the voters, stupid." And that includes the ones who stayed home.

63 posted on 12/10/2003 10:35:37 PM PST by Consort
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To: nopardons
Excuse me? CHildish? LOL YOu must be joking. YOU are the one who is childish, going along with anything the Nanny state prez says to do.
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"Actions and votes have consequences. " That's right, and I intend to hold GWB accountable for his actions! That consequence will be the lack of my vote.

Wow...you people have things backwards! It's up to him to uphold the Conservative platform...not up to us to capitulate because he's "cute", Republican, "hunky."
64 posted on 12/10/2003 10:35:40 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: nutmeg
bump
65 posted on 12/10/2003 10:35:48 PM PST by nutmeg (Is the DemocRATic party extinct yet?)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
It's up to them to EARN our votes

Good to know Dean has earned your's, or at the very least he's earned your help in greasing the skids for him by not voting for Dubya.

66 posted on 12/10/2003 10:36:05 PM PST by squidly
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To: FairOpinion; kayak
Actually, I must give credit to kayak, I 'borrowed' the quote from her. It is quite handy.

I disagree with some of what President Bush has done, no doubt about it. But overall, he has been an excellent President. And in light of the possibility of Al Gore being president, well, the thought is frightening. But some would still give their vote to Perot or Buchanan or Alan Keyes or whoever, and have a Gore, or another clinton, or Dean in the White House.
67 posted on 12/10/2003 10:36:08 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Why don't you answer a simple question, yes or no.

Do you realize that if Bush loses, that means a Democrat -- one of the nine dwarves of Hillary WINS?

And you can answer the second question:

Do you prefer any of the Dems as President, to Bush?

68 posted on 12/10/2003 10:37:36 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Consort
Wrong....cop-out... We all know, as you do, that "It's the voters, stupid." And that includes the ones who stayed home.

Great comments. And to those who are going to stay home and not vote in 2004 because President Bush didn't meet their vision of a pure conservative, they lose the right to whine if they don't vote. I can remember voting for Bob Dole in 1996 on a gray day in November. I knew he wasn't going to win, but I voted anyway.

69 posted on 12/10/2003 10:38:03 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: FairOpinion
Don't YOU get it -- it's only a question, based upon Mr. Bush's performance to date, of how quickly the Marxist 'Rat crowd ultimately prevails? Mr. Bush is focussed upon his reelection -- fine, no problem.

However, I never confuse ends and means; his means to his end are despicable -- continue and expand the Ponzi schemes of his predecessors, keep loading debt onto generations yet unborn, equate citizenship with simply sneaking over the border... and how many other examples, based in hard fact and not opinion, would you like to have just this minute?

70 posted on 12/10/2003 10:40:23 PM PST by SAJ
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To: Utah Girl
"I disagree with some of what President Bush has done, no doubt about it. "

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As do most of us -- I don't think there is anyone who agrees with everything any president does.

But when one looks at the overall situation, Bush is the best president we could have during these critical times.

Also remember, some of what he does that we may not agree with, is a result of having to make compromises with the Dems, because there are still too many of them in Congress -- so what we should do is send more Republicans, so Bush can have a free hand to advance the conservative agenda.
71 posted on 12/10/2003 10:40:39 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: SAJ
There will NEVER be a revolt, no matter how many times someone decides to post such utter foolishness to FR.

There NEVER has been, nor shall there EVER be a president who will satisfy, even 75% of what is claimed to be wanted, by some political naifs here. NOT EVER !

There are two major political parties; just TWO. Fringe parties haven't a snowball's chance in you know where, of ever being anything other than a " spoiler "; if that.

Ergo, you have two choices and only two. You can either vote for a GOP candidate, who may or may not be deemed, by you, to be close to your positions, or you can give aid and comfort to the enemy of EVERY SINGLE POSITION you hold dear. That's it.

When Clinton was president, most of FR was a very cohesive place. Yes, some fingers, even back then, were attempting to shred any and all GOPer, but I digress. We were all miserable, so of course, the UNAPPEASEABLES were happy. Now, all of that has changed.

Conservatives, of every stripe, need to come together, stop thinking in fractured ways, see that we all have the same enemies, and those enemies are not to be aided, even though some here have their noses out of joint due to real and only perceived " wrongs ".

The only " tragic joke ", is that so many posters, who assume that they have even a wee bit of political acumen, have absolutely none whatsoever !

72 posted on 12/10/2003 10:41:45 PM PST by nopardons
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To: FairOpinion
I trust Lieberman on defense. But I'm not going to let others dictate to me what I should worry about.

Are Islamist going to be roaming the streets killing and maiming at will? No. And no President will allow it regardless of who they are. Besides, I can defend myself quite well and live in a remote enough area and have land in even more remote areas.

Maybe I'm a cynic, but why would life be worth living if the national debt skyrockets to unattainable levels and the dollar collapses? (which is why I hedge with gold)

Why is being "free" worth having my political speech curtailed? Or I'm taxed to death to pay for the healthcare of well to do and rich seniors? Or I'm drained of my money that gets thrown down the rathole of bureaucracies that are NEVER held accountable by ANY President or administration like federal education spending?

Then there are all those wonderful regulations that make us all lawbreakers on a daily basis. And the fact they tell me what and how much to eat, how much water can flush down my toilet at one time, what kind of car I can drive with their ridiculous CAFE laws, how long I have to stand in line at the airport because they are too politically correct and won't just watch the young Arabs with no luggage going one-way on a cash purchased ticket?

And on, and on, and on, and on. Exactly what is worth being "safe" when my life is micromanaged by pinheads who think they know better than anyone else? I guess our definition of safety and security and freedom just differ.

Also, in 1991, after living in Arkansas from 1970-1983, I made all of your arguments to anyone that would listen about Clinton over Bush 41. Now, I'm not saying Clinton was a good president (he wasn't) but he didn't "destroy" the economy as I predicted back then. He didn't shove far left wing liberalism down our throats (thanks to Hillarycare and 1994), etc. that I predicted.

He did have sex in the Oval Office. I predicted that! I knew his behaviour and knew there was no way he wasn't going to take advantage of the most powerful office in the land when he relished it as governor of Arkansas.

And just like 1991, everyone on the "right" is saying "Dean can't win". If I had a nickel for everytime I heard "Clinton can't win", I'd be richer than I am. And the only factor Perot brought to the situation was that he was more to right economically than Bush 41 and that shows the weakness of Bush, not Perot.
73 posted on 12/10/2003 10:42:03 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: nopardons
Heck, you can stay, just for this post alone; not to mention the fact that we're usually friends and I anjoy talking with you. LOL

Oh thank you, thank you! ;-)

74 posted on 12/10/2003 10:42:54 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: SAJ
They don't understand our point of view, eh buddy?
75 posted on 12/10/2003 10:43:45 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: FairOpinion
Sorry, can't listen, keep hearing everything in spanish around here.
76 posted on 12/10/2003 10:44:13 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Utah Girl
And to those who are going to stay home and not vote in 2004 because President Bush didn't meet their vision of a pure conservative...

Yes, the Ideologically Correct on the Right might be just as bad as the Politically Correct on the Left.

77 posted on 12/10/2003 10:45:18 PM PST by Consort
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To: nopardons
Thanks for the ping. Unfortunately, the damned UNAPPEASEABLES, will still continue to refuse to see the light

Some of them I believe see the light, they are just working with the other side(demos), to turn it off.

78 posted on 12/10/2003 10:45:43 PM PST by Dane
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To: Fledermaus
In other words, you'd like to see a Democrat in the White House -- I guess you learned nothing during 8 years of Clinton.

We may never know for sure, but Clinton's inaction allowed Bin Laden to build up a strong, worldwide terrorist organizartion, which led to 9-11.

79 posted on 12/10/2003 10:46:05 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: SAJ
ONLY 2 dozen? You disappoint me, Batsy (w!).

I'm getting lazy in my old age! lol

Merry Christmas and many wishes for a wonderful 2004 to you and yours my friend.

80 posted on 12/10/2003 10:46:11 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: FairOpinion
In other words, you'd like to see a Democrat in the White House -- I guess you learned nothing during 8 years of Clinton.

Sorry, but that's intellectually lazy and simply childish.

I could just as easily say that if you aren't willing to spend $75,000 on a Humvee, you want your children to die in an accident. Come on, you know better than that.

81 posted on 12/10/2003 10:49:17 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: FairOpinion; Fledermaus
In other words, you'd(Fledermaus) like to see a Democrat in the White House -- I guess you learned nothing during 8 years of Clinton.

Exactly, except Fledermaus and the other so called malcontents use Clintonian tactics to mask it.

82 posted on 12/10/2003 10:50:03 PM PST by Dane
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To: Kay Soze
The Prez leans left for 2 reasons:
1. He's more to the left than purists, so he's actually not doing so, and...
2. To get more votes by acknowledging the general will of the people.

Only a centrist can win this election. Or at least a seeming Centrist. All others are wasted votes, as the general will rejects the extreme right or left.
83 posted on 12/10/2003 10:50:24 PM PST by Concentrate
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To: Fledermaus
How about making even the " pro-choicers " having to call a baby in utero a BABY ?

How about the anti partial birth abortion stuff ?

There's a HUGE list, in FR's archieves, with his accomplishments, many of which, I'm certain you would agree with. :-)

84 posted on 12/10/2003 10:50:24 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
To quote from someone you likely dislike, ''There are no contradictions. If you think there are, check your premises.''

I agree with you in that I think it extremely unlikely, short of some amazing outrage, that the American people will revolt against the government. However, I do trust that you will consider my opinion, whether you agree with it or not, is sincere, and that I am not an hypocrite.

If revolt is not a likelihood, and, again, I do not think it is, then the options are very clear: stay, and let this gov't grind you down one way or another, or leave.

I would hate to leave this lovely land, but I shall, if I can no longer see any hope for the practice of the principles of the Constitution.

And, given current developments, in fairly short order, too.

85 posted on 12/10/2003 10:51:44 PM PST by SAJ
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To: Dane
They are ONLY well pleased, when they and everyone else here is miserable. The all of NOTHING crowd, is never so happy, as when they get NOTHING; unfortunately.
86 posted on 12/10/2003 10:52:00 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Fledermaus
Presidency of George W. Bush --the first 36 months



Banned Partial Birth Abortion


Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.

Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.

Killed the U.S. - CCCP ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.

Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.

Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.

Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules that would have shut down every home business in America.

Passed 2 tax cuts----1 of which was the largest Dollar value tax cut in history

Pushed through TWO raises for our military.

Increased Defense Dept funding which had deteriorated during the previous 8 years

Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit

Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.

Ordered Attorney-General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, NOT a leftist-imagined *collective* right.
Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control.

Successfully executed 2 wars: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.

Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the Presidency

Reorganized bureaucracy...after 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency: the Department of Homeland Security.

Initiated discussion on Social security and individual investment accounts.

Improving govt. efficiency with .8 million jobs put up for bid...weakening unions and cutting undeserved pay raises. Wants merit based promotions/raises only.

Executed a WAR ON TERROR by getting world-wide cooperation to track funds/terrorists (has cut off much of the terrorist's funding and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network)

Stopped foreign aid that would be used to fund abortions.

Supported and upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals

Signed E.O. reversing Clinton policy of not requiring parental consent under the Medical Privacy Act


Orchestrated Republican control of the White House, the House AND the Senate.

Killed the liberal ABA's role in vetting federal judges for Congress.

GWB signed an executive order enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision (re: union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes)

Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed

Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.

Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia

Initiated comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE was critical.

Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first ten ABM silos in Alaska, so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes

Turning around an inherited economy in recession.

Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.

Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains

In process of eliminating IRS marriage penalty.

Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people

Signed into law the No Child Left Behind legislation delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations)

Reorganized the INS in an attempt to safeguard the borders and ports of America and to eliminate bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.

Signed trade promotion authority

Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men and women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa

Urging Medicare Reform

Urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits

Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims

Submitted comprehensive energy plan--awaits Congressional action (works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.)

Endorses and promotes The Responsibility Era ("In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else -- to one in which every single American understands that he or she are responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself. " -----this quote was too good to leave out)

Started the USA Freedom Corps

Pushing for privatization of Medicare and CHOICES based on current Federal Employee Health benefits program.

Initiated review of all federal agencies with a goal to eliminate federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of federal gov while increasing private sector jobs.

Part of coalition (Russia, Israel, Palestine, USA) for Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace"

Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become The League of Nations ( in other words, completely irrelevant)

Nominated strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.

Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary clean-up of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.

As part of the national forests clean-up, the President restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges) and removed the need for an EIS (Environmental Impact Statement) before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.

Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.


87 posted on 12/10/2003 10:52:24 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: DrDeb
Why do you think the left despises him so?!

Some from the left have conveyed to me they hate him because he's stupid!...(chuckle) I hope I never find a fox as stupid as Dubya' on my property!

88 posted on 12/10/2003 10:53:03 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Fledermaus
Correct. A few years of living in certain other nations would likely enhance their respect for the Constitution VERY sharply. Alas, 'tis not to be, eh?
89 posted on 12/10/2003 10:53:53 PM PST by SAJ
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To: SAJ
I would hate to leave this lovely land, but I shall, if I can no longer see any hope for the practice of the principles of the Constitution

Then go already and stop your whining masked as flowery rhtoric.

90 posted on 12/10/2003 10:55:48 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Exactly, except Fledermaus and the other so called malcontents use Clintonian tactics to mask it.

What a joke. I bet I was fighting Democrats before you were born. I hate most all of them. But I'd take a Truman over Bush 41.

I've been on the front lines of the conservative wars since the early 1970's and I'm not going to have soft-bellied, give away the store types tell me I'm too much a purist!

I stood behind Reagan, Newt and others for decades only to be sold out constantly when the rubber hit the road (much less so by Reagan who still raised taxes on Soc Sec, gasoline, watered down reforms). Compromise is one thing. Co-opting the other's beliefs to gain politcal advantage is not leadership and does nothing but continue to meld the "two major parties" into one giant monolith of bureaucrats, regulators, cronies and hucksters who are all never held accountable for their mistakes, their mindless idiocy or their flat out criminality.

Sorry, I'm a conservative and I want true conservative governance of small federal powers based completely on the Constitution that IS NOT a f'ing "living, breathing document" to be re-interpreted every decade based not on it's law, but the precedent of the courts.

Don't dare lecture me when you are the ones willing to throw principle out the window to "win" but can never tell us exactly what you won.

91 posted on 12/10/2003 10:58:06 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: Howlin
Well said and "ditto's" to your excellent post for it is a great reminder to all as to what Dubya' has done.

My reply is more of the same however depth of it is lacking...(I haven't got the wind!) LoL's : )

92 posted on 12/10/2003 10:58:31 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: SAJ
Good... LEAVE ! What you'll then find out, is that no other place will satify you either; NONE.

From the very beginnings of this nation, the government has refrained from doing what you and others imagine they should have done and done what you rail against governments and presidents doing. We, all of us, can only vote for those who will do the least TO us and ours and do a bit of what we want done. That's REALITY , not childish wistfullness; which is what you engage in.

And revolt is completely and utterly just a daydream of those who refuse to comprehend exactly what would happen here, yes, even here, should that be attempted. If no one led a revolt during the 8 years of the Clinton horde, it just is NOT going to happen...unless something REALLY horrendous happens, such as being overtaken by the now faltering, faded, almost gone Taliban/OBL's goons.

93 posted on 12/10/2003 10:59:00 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Howlin
Quite impressive! Can I have a copy of that?
94 posted on 12/10/2003 10:59:21 PM PST by Concentrate
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To: Fledermaus
Hey, we're still friends and what are friends for? LOL

But seriously, that was one worthy post! :-)

95 posted on 12/10/2003 11:00:11 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
SAJ and I were fighting Clinton hard those eight years WELL BEFORE FRepublic even existed in other forums.
96 posted on 12/10/2003 11:00:55 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: Fledermaus
Well then, you should know, that I have been fighting, as well, the evil Dems, where I was, and FREEPING all alone, when Jim was still in kindergarten and FR wasn't even a gleam in his eye. LOL
97 posted on 12/10/2003 11:02:33 PM PST by nopardons
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"When all is said and done, when it comes to domestic issues, it looks to me like the legacy of the Republican control of Congress and the presidency for the first time in 50 years is going to be the largest entitlement in modern times, the greatest increase in domestic spending in modern times and one of the greatest set-backs for liberty in modern times. That's the legacy of Republican control of government. This may be "compassionate" conservatism, but it's not "conservatism" at all."
98 posted on 12/10/2003 11:03:02 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals (This is the 1st US election in which a global party (socialists) are trying to win a US election)
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To: Dane
Ah, the hidden totalitarian mindset. If you don't agree, leave, if we'll let you. Or die.

Just, dane, as I would encourage you to make the best decision(s) for your own life in your own good time, I trust that you would allow me the same. And so I shall, in my own good time.

You would presume to dictate the time frame of MY decisions because you disagree with my view on certain matters?

Wow. What size brown shirt do you wear?

99 posted on 12/10/2003 11:04:05 PM PST by SAJ
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To: SAJ
"I would hate to leave this lovely land, but I shall, "

==

And you should leave indeed, if you don't appreciate what we have here. Go live somewhere else, and you would kiss the ground and beg on your knees to be let back in.
100 posted on 12/10/2003 11:05:22 PM PST by FairOpinion
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