Social Security for Mexicans closer to reality; U.S. discussing plan

WorldNetDaily ^ | December 11, 2003

[Malcolm]

LOL, I cannot believe this is even being discussed! The SSA is, or will be, bankrupt, and here the US Gov't is discussing ways to worsen the situation. There has to be a better way for Republicans to attract the Latino vote than this; there just HAS TO BE!!!

[winker]

These illegal border jumpers are masters of nickel and dime extortion! We have no business supporting a third world banana republic! Social Security was intended for American Citizens first and formost; to take care of Widows & Orphans!

[spodefly]

Social Security Administration officials estimate about 50,000 Mexicans would collect $78 million in the first year of a U.S.-Mexican agreement. By 2050, the number is predicted to swell to 300,000 Mexicans collecting $650 million in benefits a year. But that number doesn't include the potentially eligible, undocumented Mexican immigrants – numbering about 5 million, according to federal estimates – a recent General Accounting Office report pointed out. Accounting for illegals, the agreement could cost U.S. taxpayers $750 million within five years of implementation.

Sure ... why not ... what the hell ... The federal government has already given us 50% taxes, free speech restraints in the form of CFR, is brain-washing our children in multicultural diversity. The border is a joke, immigration laws are un-enforced. What's another $750 million dollars going out of the US economy to reward law-breaking alien invaders who care nothing for our laws or culture?

The frogs have been boiling for so long they are cooked well done by now.

[Gritty]

America is rapidly turning into an insane asylum, paid for by the longest-serving inmates.

[GluteusMax]

Bring it on you damn NWO flunkies. We're waking up and you won't like what happens next.

[FITZ]

There's no way the Social Security system could hold up after hundreds of millions of Mexicans produce stolen Social Security numbers and claim they used them to work illegally in the USA. Just like the 80s amnesty ---- there will be tremendous fraud and more than 10 times the estimates will show up.

Maybe Bush doesn't believe in Social Security and means to end the system. Fine with me if he puts in an opt out option and reimburses us at least partially for what we've already paid in.

[1066AD]

But that number doesn't include the potentially eligible, undocumented Mexican immigrants
Even if this bad idea goes forward, how would the amount to be paid be determined if fake Soc Sec numbers etc used, or maybe an individual used multiple numbers over the years ? I

[FITZ]

may deserve access to a Totalization Agreement

I have a feeling if they worked here legally, did every thing legally they already get Medicare and Social Security checks when they retire. I know they get Medicare ---- there are many living in Mexico who come over with Medicare numbers ---- because they worked and retired here.

[AzJohn]

I have a feeling if they worked here legally, did every thing legally they already get Medicare and Social Security checks when they retire.

I did some reading on this recently. It seems that what matters is the worker's status at the time benefits are applied for, not their status at the time of employment. From Congressional testimony by Barbara Bovbjerg, a GAO manager:

You are required under the law from the Welfare Reform Act of '96 to be legally present to get benefits here. How you earn those benefits is not relevant to the Social Security Administration's work. If you earned them legally or illegally and you are legally present, you will be paid those benefits. If you are not legally present, you can get them if you are a Mexican citizen in Mexico. Source

Also, she states in the same hearings on page 30 that there are 50,000 living in Mexico that currently receive Social Security benefits.

[John W]

"Supporters say the proposal would improve the daily lives of Mexican citizens, many of whom are still trapped in poverty a decade after the North American Free Trade Agreement promised prosperity to the nation's 103.4 million people."

Geez,do you suppose many of them will still be trapped in poverty a decade after this cockamamie idea promises whatever it promises?

[perfect stranger]

All the illegals I know don't pay taxes. They work for cash.

I am taxed twice. Once when I earned it, and again as I spent it.

How many million does Mexico owe to the US?

[goldilucky]

You know, this has gone too far. I was just watching the news this evening where they reported some Mexicans being arrested for defrauding the State of California of unemployment compensation. These Mexicans were collecting unemployment by making fraudelent claims. And guess who is getting screwed? We are. They were probably collecting SS checks as well.

As long as these illegals continue to drain our State financial resources and force Americans out of jobs, pretty soon, most Americans won't be filling income tax returns at all. They won't need to if they are unemployed. Then I guess the IRS will have to go after the illegals to put some funds into the revenue...if they can catch them before they escape back to Mexico.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

"Let's be honest, there are millions of Mexican immigrants contributing to the Social Security system and the U.S. economy,"

No. Let's be honest. 90% of illegals work off the books or do not work at all, collecting welfare from 20 diff fed and state programs.

[little jeremiah]

"Let's be honest, there are millions of Mexican immigrants contributing to the Social Security system and the U.S. economy," Katherine Culliton, an attorney with the Washington, D.C., office of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, told Gannett. "It's only fair they get back a benefit they deserve that will keep them from dying in poverty."

No! No! A thousand times, No! What is wrong with this picture? Might as well get rid of all national sovereignty right now.

[TigersEye]

By 2050, the number is predicted to swell to 300,000 Mexicans collecting $650 million in benefits a year.

But that number doesn't include the potentially eligible, undocumented Mexican immigrants – numbering about 5 million, according to federal estimates – Accounting for illegals, the agreement could cost U.S. taxpayers $750 million within five years of implementation.

What's wrong with those numbers? 300,000 beneficiaries get $650,000,000 a year in 2050. Or; 5,000,000 beneficiaries get $750,000,000 a year in 2008. Surely that isn't due to some inflation projection?
.3 million vs 5 million. $650 million vs $750 million.

Hey! What's that white fuzzy stuff blocking my view? Is that ... is that ...WOOL?

[truthkeeper]

More insanity.

[novacation]

Isn't comforting to know the pubs and dims are giving away your country and money.