Thousands of illegals flooding across our borders with tons of illegal drugs...

Nobodies conservative opinion | 12/11/2003 | Abilene Al

[Orange1998]

You want a wall. Sabertooth said he crunched the numbers and he said it would take about $100 billion a year to maintain.

Worth EVERY PENNY!

[HiJinx]

I believe WND did a follow-up a week later...let me see if I can find a link...

[HiJinx]

PHXnews.com picked up the NewsMax article.

NewsMax did a follow-up on 12/5 after the 5th family member was released.

[jimt]

Keep the illegals.

[jimt]

I just get a little bit miffed when I see rants on FR basically stating that all hispanics are bad, under the cover of illegal alien.

Such a viewpoint would be very stupid. But that the vast majority of illegals ARE hispanic, and more particularly Mexican, must be dealt with.

Regardless of ethnicity, a group of non-english speaking uneducated poor folks who come here "yearning to eat free" is not what we need. If we eliminate ALL forms of welfare for illegal AND legal immigrants, we'll get the kind of folks America does need.

[Doctor Stochastic]

So, it's still a single source.

[HiJinx]

Agreed.

[Hondokid]

Yes there other other sources for the Candelaria, TX. kidnapping. I will post them when I have time to go dig em up. There is also the issue of Bob Maupin a rancher outside of San Diego whose entire family was assaulted in their home by the Meskin military in 1985 Bob was taken to Mexico, beaten and intimidated; all of this for reporting a meth lab on property adjacent to his. This was in the San Diego papers. At the present the Meskin military is making weekly forays on to private ranches out side of Douglas, AZ. as we speak, protecting alien and drug smugglers.

[Hondokid]

If somebody would like a more thorough documentation on this event contact Jon Dougherty at Newsmax. com for a copy of the police report.. The Candelaria Tx. newspaper is a weekly and not available on the net.
Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Mexican Troops Kidnap Texas Family?
Jon E. Dougherty
Thursday, Dec. 4, 2003
As many as eight armed Mexican soldiers crossed the border near a tiny Texas hamlet and kidnapped an American family of five last week, and are still holding one of them, sources tell NewsMax.
According to a law enforcement source who spoke on condition of anonymity, the incident was reported to local authorities by family members upon their release the following day. From there, local officials reportedly contacted the FBI; federal officials are said to be looking into the incident.

The source said the Mexican unit may have been prompted to cross into the U.S. because the family – a father, mother and three minors – were shooting rabbits on their property near Candelaria, Texas, which is located along the border in Presidio County, about 170 miles south-southeast of El Paso.

A law enforcement bulletin describing the incident said the "family of five kidnapped … by Mexican officials at gunpoint" occurred around 5 p.m. local time Nov. 24. U.S. border authorities were notified the next day.

The family was "taken by gunpoint by Mexican officials to Mexico," the bulletin said. "As of Nov. 25 … four of the family members – one female and three minors – were released, while Escarcega, Ladislado [the father] remains in custody."

Presidio County, Texas authorities confirmed to NewsMax the incident had been reported to the sheriff's department, but a spokesman there said the FBI had taken over the investigation and referred questions surrounding the report to them.

An FBI spokeswoman in Washington, D.C., referred NewsMax to the bureau's El Paso, Texas office, but no one there returned calls seeking comment.

Nevertheless, the bulletin provided more specifics.

Shooting at Rabbits

"It's believed that the family members were shooting at rabbits along the [Rio Grande] river at the time of their kidnapping," the bulletin said. "Local law enforcement was contacted after the release of family members."

In the meantime, said the bulletin, "sector intelligence is continuing to gather information on the occurrence where ... follow-up information is needed."

Law enforcement sources said the family was not shooting into Mexico or otherwise threatening Mexican military or civilian personnel.

The latest incursion into the U.S. by armed Mexican troops follows a series of similar incidents directed against U.S. civilians and law enforcement authorities. The most high-profile kidnapping occurred in August 1985, when an eight-man squad of Mexican troops crossed the border onto private property in San Diego County.

The troops came looking specifically for Robert Maupin, the land owner, after he reported the presence of a methamphetamine lab to the Drug Enforcement Agency, which in turn reported it to Mexican authorities. The lab, Maupin told officials, was visible from his land inside the U.S.

More recently, in May 2002, three armed Mexican troops in a military Humvee on the U.S. side of the border near Ajo, Ariz., fired on a Border Patrol agent in his vehicle. As the agent drove away from the scene, a bullet shattered the back glass of his Chevy Tahoe patrol vehicle, which was clearly labeled with U.S. Border Patrol markings.

House Immigration Reform Caucus chairman Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., told the Washington Times a year ago that his office had documented 118 instances where Mexican military or law enforcement had been seen on U.S. soil. In 60 percent of those cases, he said, the Mexicans were armed.



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[Doctor Stochastic]

Stll single source, one guy at NewsMax.

[Hondokid]

My reason for posting this was so that if you wanted more info you could contact John Dougherty or Rep. Tom Tancredos office for more details

[Doctor Stochastic]

Mostly I'm interested in seeing how single-source stories (such as this one or Atlantis or some UFO stories or seeing Bush meet Saddam) get spread. Acceptance of rejection of stories such as these seems to depend more on the beliefs of the readers than on the provanance of the report.

[Hondokid]

Doc, while I understand an overall reluctance to accept all stories just because they appear, when authoritative sources to prove their voracity are presented one must assume there is a tendency that someone simply wants to be contrary rather become genuinely informed. A major issue on this subject has been and continues to be the reluctance of the Border Patrol to confirm the exitence of problems because they cause the BP embarrassment. I guess in your course it's the old story of you can take a horse to water but you can't make them drink. You can get all the confirmation you want just by accompanying Ranch Rescue around the proerties under dispute.

[Hondokid]

More for Doc Sarcastic
law enforcement bulletin describing the incident said the "family of five kidnapped … by Mexican officials at gunpoint" occurred around 5 p.m. local time Nov. 24. U.S. border authorities were notified the next day.

The family was "taken by gunpoint by Mexican officials to Mexico," the bulletin said. "As of Nov. 25 … four of the family members – one female and three minors – were released, while Escarcega, Ladislado [the father] remains in custody."

Presidio County, Texas authorities confirmed to NewsMax the incident had been reported to the sheriff's department, but a spokesman there said the FBI had taken over the investigation and referred questions surrounding the report to them.

An FBI spokeswoman in Washington, D.C., referred NewsMax to the bureau's El Paso, Texas office, but no one there returned calls seeking comment.

Nevertheless, the bulletin provided more specifics.

[reelfoot]

I expect an expression of outrage, and strong words, from Pres. Bush, Tom Ridge, & John Ashcroft at any moment.

[Poohbah]

I crunched some numbers for how much concrete a BFW (Big Frickin' Wall) would consume, and how much labor and materials would cost.

The baseline numbers I used were from the never-built MX Missile Mobile Protective Shelter (MPS) system from the late 1970s to early 1980s, when we were trying to build a survivable missile system in the Great Basin. The idea was not to do ultradense concrete pours to create missile silos of incredible hardness, but to construct MANY shelters for each missile. The idea was that each missile would operate in a 23-shelter complex and randomly move from shelter to shelter. Total force structure was 200 missiles--requiring 4,600 shelters, plus associated other structures.

Construction in Great Basin had some advantages over the proposed wall--the proposed missiles bases were to be located in relatively flat terrain, for example--but it would share some of the disadvantages (such as an abject lack of available water). The MX MPS project was killed because of these issues, and because of the sheer cost of the effort.

A rather modest-sized wall wound up taking up about three times as much concrete as the proposed MX MPS system. Construction and maintenance costs are roughly proportionate to the amount of concrete poured and the difficulty of getting the concrete to the pour site.

Once you prorate in inflation, the difficulty of performing heavy construction along the 2,000-mile-long border, and scale the project relative to the baseline, 100 gigabucks a year is right about where you land.

[ought-six]

"Filthy scumbags with their hands in our food."

Appalling, isn't it?

[ought-six]

I guess I should be grateful that the "non-violent" illegals you so happily champion just steal my money (and every other American taxpayer's money) instead of raping my wife and shooting me in the back while I'm pumping gas into my car. Illegal is illegal, and they all have to go back to where they came from.

[ought-six]

"What would China do? Shoot them. They are invaders.
What would Mexico do? Throw them in jail or shoot them, they are invaders. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. This is a matter not just of national security, but of national survival, and a few folks need to start looking at it as such, or we will lose this country."

Yup.

[ought-six]

"At the present the Meskin military is making weekly forays on to private ranches out side of Douglas, AZ. as we speak, protecting alien and drug smugglers."

If this is true than I think it's time we started taking out some federales.