Thousands of illegals flooding across our borders with tons of illegal drugs...

Nobodies conservative opinion | 12/11/2003 | Abilene Al

[Hondokid]

To Sabretooth: currently we have a wall extending 40 miles east from San Diego. The wall is made from steel grids used to fabricate runways in combat zones. The grids are filled with concrete, then raised and fastened together with pins through interlocking tabs, they are actually cheaper than re-bar and concrete filled concrete blocks. The military has hundreds of thousands of them. We also have in inventory thousands of plastic containers that can be filled with sand and can be stacked over 10' high and used to deter small armored vehicls. So a wall being built is not that big of a deal.
The answer is removing the incentive to come here by jailing and fining people that hire them, cutting off all welfare and medical care for non citizens, and if they are caught smuggling they go to jail at hard labor not back across the border.

[Major_Risktaker]

Why didn't the press ask President Bush about this issue at this weeks press conference?

[Hondokid]

I wish I knew why.. I'm a Bush fan but his stance on border jumpers irritates the heck out of me. The question should be asked why does everybody , politicans, media, executives etc. dodge this issue, and,,,,, the answer is votes, advertising money, campaign contributions, and embarrassment over incompetence

[Major_Risktaker]

Thanks for your response.

So how about a little game called WHAT IF.

If you had an all volunteer force of 10,000 men
at your command where would you post them and
could you stop the invasion legally?

Please tell me what resources you would need to take
control of the border short of asking for Government help?

[breakem]

This can't be happening. We're spending billions to fight drugs, you mean it isn't working.

[Hondokid]

That is exactly what Ranch Rescue is trying to do; stop this by leagal means by being very visible and armed on private property.. However if I could marshal the efforts of 10,000 people to control the bordersI would choose members of the major media, primarily Fox news at this time because they have a very experienced crew of cameramen used to working at night in wild , dangerous country. Mainly they have the type of very expensive video equipment needed to work at night. If these activities could be plastered all over the major news media like Iraq, Afghanistan are the problem would stop in very short order. In terms of other personnel, it's like the wall, it's where you put them and how they are equipped , not so much that they are everywhere. Crossings cannot be made everywhere, Logistics make it too difficult in a good portion of the border, basically they need to be relatively near towns where their underground railroad and support groups can get them organized and on their way to other parts of the country quickly.Keep in mind these people are brought here by Pro's, for money. Make it so complicated and expensive that the cost is too high and they will stop. The pure drug smugglers are a different issue however.

[Hondokid]

The other issue is to go after their support groups like Border Action. This group operates as an environmental group, an animal activist group, posing as a charity they are granted tax free status. They need to be put under extreme IRS scrutiny as well as all of these groups. The FBI and ICE the combined BP/FBI/Immigration Homeland Security Dept. need to be ferreting out the support groups, cutting off their money, jailing them for their criminal acts and infiltrating them to get to the mexican military, businessmen and politicians who are the ultimate recipient of most of the illegal monies made from the smuggling trade.

[ought-six]

Your proposal makes a great deal of sense.

[Hondokid]

And it continues
Mexican Troops Fire on U.S. Border Watchers
Jon E. Dougherty, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Dec. 23, 2003
An official with a civilian border group says a squad of Mexican soldiers opened fire on a position only moments after it was vacated by group volunteers patrolling private property near Douglas, Ariz.
Jack Foote, national spokesman for property protection group Ranch Rescue, told NewsMax a reconnaissance squad of his volunteers spotted two armed Mexican soldiers wearing green combat fatigues and Kevlar helmets on U.S. soil adjacent to property the group was asked to protect.

Foote said his volunteers, part of a mission Ranch Rescue dubbed "Operation Thunderbird," deployed at the landowner's request to interdict smuggling of illegal aliens and drugs on the property, reported the shootings about 5:22 p.m. Saturday. There were no injuries, and Ranch Rescue members, who are patrolling the property armed, did not return fire.

The group spokesman said the leader of the reconnaissance unit reported movement about 200 meters north of the landowner's southern boundary, a location near the U.S.-Mexico border.

"He waited until the first two soldiers moved into the clear. One was carrying an AK-47 and the other an RPK," a light machine gun version of the AK. "Both were wearing [olive drab] green fatigues and Kevlar helmets," Foote said.

Foote said the recon point man yelled in Spanish for the two soldiers to stop, but they turned around instead. Recon volunteers reported seeing the entire unit run back into Mexico. It wasn't clear how many Mexican soldiers had crossed into the U.S.

For safety, the volunteer recon unit moved to a different position, Foote said. About a minute later "the Mexicans fired on our squad's previous position." Members heard about six to eight shots fired, said Foote.

Mexican Embassy officials in Washington did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Incidents of Mexican troops crossing the international boundary into the United States are nothing new, say Border Patrol agents.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., head of the House Immigration Reform Caucus, says 115 incursions by Mexican military and police have been documented by the U.S. government since 1996.

"The purpose of these incursions is not totally understood, but U.S. officials have speculated that they are designed to help facilitate the flow of illegal drugs into America, either by creating a diversion or by providing cover for the traffickers," Tancredo says, on his caucus Web site.

Ranch Rescue has had its share of problems during operations. The landowner host for Operation Thunderbird, Casey Nethercott, was arrested Nov. 25 by federal authorities for failing to appear for a court date in Texas.

Nethercott and fellow Ranch Rescue volunteer Hank Connor were arrested by Texas authorities in March during a group operation on the property of Joe Sutton, near Hebbronville in Jim Hogg County. They were charged with allegedly detaining and beating two illegal aliens from El Salvador, allegations the group vehemently denied.

Foote said Nethercott's attorney told him Nethercott did not have to appear at the Texas hearing. The attorney said he would appear instead, but got sick and also missed the date. Foote said Nethercott's attorney filed papers with the court seeking a change in court date and explained the circumstances for missing the initial hearing, but Jim Hogg County prosecutors "pushed the issue and got a warrant issued for Casey."

Now, Arizona authorities are holding Nethercott on a "fugitive" warrant, but Nethercott is fighting the extradition to Texas. He remains in jail, Foote said, and will likely be there until February, unless bail can be arranged.

Federal officials also filed charges against Nethercott and Connor in the Hebbronville case, but eventually those were dropped.