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Presidential hopeful once again sparks controversy
The Register-Herald (Beckley, WV) ^ | 12-12-2003 | Mannix Porterfield

Posted on 12/12/2003 11:23:25 AM PST by countrydummy

There you go again, Ho-ward.

For the second time in as many months, Democratic presidential hopeful Howard Dean has sparked a controversy, this time with a veiled dig at Southerners.

In an interview Thursday with Katie Couric on "The Today Show," he took a poke at southerners in general, and Republicans in particular.

"(Republicans) used issues like guns, prayer in school, gay rights, abortion rights - all these divisive issues," Dean told his television interviewer.

"What I'm going to say to voters everywhere, but particularly Southern voters is, 'Look, we're going to have to disagree on some of these issues.'"

Only a month ago, Dean angered many within his own party by suggesting Democrats start appealing to Southern voters who ride around in pick-up trucks displaying the Confederate flag.

In Charleston, state Republican Chairman Kris Warner said Dean's latest outburst proves he cannot resonate with West Virginia voters on a number of issues.

"Howard Dean continues to show he is completely out of step with the values and beliefs of West Virginians and disagrees with them on many issues," Warner said.

- E-mail: mporterfield@register-herald.com


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2004; bubbavote; compaign2004; howarddean; liberalism; presidentrace; southernstrategy
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This man has no functioning brain cells!
1 posted on 12/12/2003 11:23:27 AM PST by countrydummy
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To: carenot; sauropod; agitator; diotima; WSGilcrest; William Creel
ping!
2 posted on 12/12/2003 11:25:25 AM PST by countrydummy
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To: countrydummy
I may register as a Democrat just so I can vote for him in the primary. Gawd, what a dope.
3 posted on 12/12/2003 11:26:55 AM PST by gundog
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To: gundog
lol, this man thinks he is some kind of cavilier!
4 posted on 12/12/2003 11:28:52 AM PST by countrydummy
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To: countrydummy
Dean is a runaway locomotive whose going to blow through Boston next summer and then find out too late that a bridge is missing.
5 posted on 12/12/2003 11:30:12 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: countrydummy
As a displaced Southron, I am grateful to Mr Dean for condescending to point out to me just how hopelessly stupid I really am.

It is wonderful that we have such brilliant individuals who are so willing to sacrifice their leisure time to give guidance to those of us who obviously don't know anything and are simply led around by the nose by any scheming demagogue.
6 posted on 12/12/2003 11:30:21 AM PST by bagman
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To: countrydummy
I love it when these smug elitist Dims, who think they're so smart, shoot themselves in the foot.

There's a long history of them -- Adlai Stevenson, George McGovern, Michael Dukakis. LOSERS, big time.

Watch Howard Dean go down in flames just like all the rest.

7 posted on 12/12/2003 11:31:30 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: countrydummy
This man has no f***ing brain cells!

John F. Kerry
8 posted on 12/12/2003 11:31:40 AM PST by WSGilcrest (brrrrrrrr)
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To: countrydummy
How many abortions have you preformed there Howie? You did work as a dock for planned partnthood affter all.
And how about gay rights there howie? just because you say we should ignore your support for same sex marriage we shouldn't get on you for it?
Gun rights? oh yeah you profess to back limited gun ownership. I doubt it.
And your wife is as ugly a broad as I have ever seen.
Idiot.

9 posted on 12/12/2003 11:31:40 AM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: countrydummy

10 posted on 12/12/2003 11:32:31 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: countrydummy
Yes, but what is he smiling about? Bush is accused of having a sort of smirk, but Dean's appears to be something else. Not a smirk, but what? I can't quite put my finger on it.

Reminds me of the smile I remember seeing on the face of prep boys when they get recongnized for some accomplishment in front of their class.
11 posted on 12/12/2003 11:34:31 AM PST by kimoajax
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To: HEY4QDEMS
lol lol
12 posted on 12/12/2003 11:36:50 AM PST by countrydummy
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To: gundog
"I may register as a Democrat just so I can vote for him in the primary."

Gundog, not a bad idea. I'm thinking the same thing.
13 posted on 12/12/2003 11:36:51 AM PST by Ramcat
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To: gundog
In TX we only have a dimwit primary so it's always a toss up whether to vote for the most horrendous candidate or the lesser of evils. The longer this Dean/Gore fiasco continues, the more it looks like we'll have to endure 4 more years of Shrillary on the campaign book signing tour.
14 posted on 12/12/2003 11:38:42 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: WSGilcrest
lol lol!!!!
15 posted on 12/12/2003 11:40:42 AM PST by countrydummy
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To: countrydummy
"(Republicans) used issues like guns, prayer in school, gay rights, abortion rights - all these divisive issues," Dean told his television interviewer.
So nobody actually has any beliefs on these issues. We just use them as dividing lines.

The guy is a mental midget of infinitesmal proportions.

16 posted on 12/12/2003 11:41:27 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
Oh, but we are all right wingers because we believe in morals and such.....he is an triple a**! He has fried his bacon here for sure! He burnt it!
17 posted on 12/12/2003 11:44:00 AM PST by countrydummy
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To: kimoajax
I can't quite put my finger on it.

Just a finger? Why not a fist?

18 posted on 12/12/2003 11:44:31 AM PST by gundog
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To: kimoajax
Not a smirk, but what? I can't quite put my finger on it.

It's an 'I dare you to knock this chip off my shoulder' attitude.

He's particularly aggressive when confronting someone. Have you seen him in the debates when someone challenges him?

19 posted on 12/12/2003 11:46:12 AM PST by Vermonter (no sweatshop labor was used in the production of this tag line)
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To: countrydummy
These comments, as dumb as they are, still pale in comparison to his earlier comments that if we capture Osama Bin Laden, he is indifferent to whether an American court or an international court puts him on trial. Maybe Dean doesn't care, but a heck of a lot of Americans care. If Dubya runs the relevant clip from the Hardball interview, it's all over. Even in places like New York. Well, especially in New York.

I'm usually cautiously pessimistic about Republicans' chances in elections (slightly less so than I used to be), but Dean is roadkill. I can't believe that the Rats are serious about nominating this guy. Good!

20 posted on 12/12/2003 11:46:26 AM PST by kesg
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To: Ramcat
Carl Rove should have endorsed him right after the Gore announcement.
21 posted on 12/12/2003 11:46:38 AM PST by gundog
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To: countrydummy
Presidential hopeful once again sparks controversy

What a fitting name,

HOPEFUL HOWARD


22 posted on 12/12/2003 11:48:38 AM PST by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: countrydummy
"What I'm going to say to voters everywhere, but particularly Southern voters is, 'Look, we're going to have to disagree on some of these issues.'"

And what we'll say is, "Go away Howard." We're voting for GW.

23 posted on 12/12/2003 11:50:21 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: gundog
Go Deanie Go! lol
24 posted on 12/12/2003 11:51:54 AM PST by countrydummy
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To: countrydummy
"(Republicans) used issues like guns, prayer in school, gay rights, abortion rights - all these divisive issues," Dean told his television interviewer.

They'er only divisive from the Democrats' perspective. Dean doesn't like the fact that conservatives have made these issues politically potent ones. He'd rather that we all shut up about God, guns, gays, and abortion, and simply roll over all let the left dictate policy on all of these issues. I'm sure that if Dean could, he'd prevent us from ever expressing ourselves on these issues.

25 posted on 12/12/2003 11:52:53 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: Richard Kimball
The man has no idea what the real world thinks and believes! Let him keep frying his own bacon!
26 posted on 12/12/2003 11:53:15 AM PST by countrydummy
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To: My2Cents
Thank you! You hit the nail on the head as usual!
27 posted on 12/12/2003 11:54:40 AM PST by countrydummy
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To: HEY4QDEMS
funny!
28 posted on 12/12/2003 11:55:34 AM PST by Print
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To: mtbopfuyn
"In TX we only have a dimwit primary so..."

Not sure what part of Texas you're in, but the rest of the State has a Republican primary next spring, March 9, '04.

That is, according to the Texas Sec'y of State's office
(http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/candidates/guide/dates.shtml)

29 posted on 12/12/2003 12:00:34 PM PST by Redbob (this space reserved for witty remarks)
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To: kimoajax
Not a smirk, but what? I can't quite put my finger on it.

Me either, all I know is whatever it is, it's scary.

30 posted on 12/12/2003 12:02:31 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: kesg
I agree with you, it is like they are purposefully trying to commit herri Carrie (sp) us West Virginians spell like we speak! lol
31 posted on 12/12/2003 12:05:29 PM PST by countrydummy (http://chat.agitator.dynip.com/ You will love the chat room!)
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To: countrydummy
"(Republicans) used issues like guns, prayer in school, gay rights, abortion rights - all these divisive issues," Dean told his television interviewer.

What a moronic thing for Dean to say. EVERY issue is devisive unless you can get 100% of the people to agree on a particular issue, which isn't very likely.

32 posted on 12/12/2003 12:06:54 PM PST by usadave
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To: kimoajax
This is what it reminds me of:


33 posted on 12/12/2003 12:08:50 PM PST by capydick (Where did all these Useful Idiots come from?)
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To: capydick
OMG!
34 posted on 12/12/2003 12:11:53 PM PST by countrydummy (http://chat.agitator.dynip.com/ You will love the chat room!)
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To: usadave
What a moronic thing for Dean to say

Every thing he says is moronic!!!

35 posted on 12/12/2003 12:15:38 PM PST by countrydummy (http://chat.agitator.dynip.com/ You will love the chat room!)
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To: countrydummy
"What I'm going to say to voters everywhere, but particularly Southern voters is, 'Look, we're going to have to disagree on some of these issues.'"

That dog don't hunt.

36 posted on 12/12/2003 12:17:02 PM PST by Imal (Betraying those who elected you is not the way to build consensus on anything.)
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To: Imal
no that dog won't hunt here for sure!
37 posted on 12/12/2003 12:22:27 PM PST by countrydummy (http://chat.agitator.dynip.com/ You will love the chat room!)
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To: countrydummy
"(Republicans) used issues like guns, prayer in school, gay rights, abortion rights - all these divisive issues," Dean told his television interviewer.

Republicans use the issues all right. But they won't deliver when they hold Congress and the White House.

Dean can actually make headway with those who have rightfully recognized that the GOP is very unlikely to deliver on any of these issues in a substantive way, particularly when they're operating in lapdog mode for the neo-cons.

Shrewd tactic by Dean. And that is why he stirred the pot n this matter again after getting flack for it before. I expect this will be a theme in his campaign.

He could peel millions of votes away or convince some people to simply stay home instead of voting for Bush and more empty promises. Especially now that Republicans have become the party of big government and deficit spending.

Howie has an advantage in being widely underestimated. Just like W. was.
38 posted on 12/12/2003 12:27:27 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: countrydummy
"[Republicans] used issues like guns, prayer in school, gay rights, abortion rights - all these divisive issues. What I'm going to say to voters everywhere, but particularly Southern voters is, 'Look, we're going to have to disagree on some of these issues.'" -- Howard Dean
Dean is stupidly laying out his general election campaign strategy early, but what's infinitely more moronic is the strategy itself.

He wants certain voters -- especially Southern ones -- to ignore his positions on guns, school prayer, gay marriage & other "gay rights" issues, and abortion. As a complement to this, he wants the same people to vote for him based on a weak economy that needs fixed, national health care, education funding, and reversing "tax cuts for the rich".

So, Dean's emerging platform (not just in the South, but nationally) may well be:

* We need to fix this broken economy (which has fought off 9/11 economic damage through domestic tax cuts and aggressive prosecution of the war on terror and will likely be in even better shape by November 2004)

* We need a national health care system or a large step in that direction (voters killed the Clinton plan in the 90's; there's not much evidence they'll be clamoring to vote for Dean for the same thing)

* We need education funding & reform (even though Bush has already passed his own version, and it includes a big education funding increase)

* The tax cuts were a bad, bad idea and were just a boon to rich fat-cats (even though the economy will almost certainly be in quite good shape by November 2004, and Bush will rightly be able to point to his tax cuts as the catalyst -- let's reverse what got us this good economy!)

* Meanwhile, please don't vote on guns (is he going to avoid even trying to play up his NRA grades?), God-related issues, gay issues, or abortion, because I know best, and those issues just aren't important to you... trust me!

39 posted on 12/12/2003 12:28:40 PM PST by rightcoast
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To: kimoajax
Not a smirk, but what? I can't quite put my finger on it.

It's like he has a case of permanently pursed lips. Watching him speak is like watching a dubbed Japanese/American movie. The lips don't match the speech.

40 posted on 12/12/2003 12:38:15 PM PST by hobson
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To: capydick
MK ULTRA! Get the tin foil! We are really going to need it!
41 posted on 12/12/2003 2:38:25 PM PST by SubMareener
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To: capydick
I noticed the resemblance between Mr. Oswald and Mr Dean in a much later photo from a post last week. The resemblance
is fairly pronounced.


If it weren't for the age discrepancy we could start a nifty rumor, Lee H. Oswald wasn't really plugged in Dallas, he imigrated to Vermont and took over the state....
42 posted on 12/12/2003 2:47:14 PM PST by TASMANIANRED
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To: countrydummy
.... we're going to have to disagree on some of these issues.....

hand wave, hand wave,

Well I guess it's better than the truth, ignore that I stand for f***ing you (can I say it if Kerry said it), so that when I get elected and start f***ing you, it will just be disagreements.

We all agreed there would be no leaders, so shut up and do what I say. (Time Bandits)
43 posted on 12/12/2003 3:02:16 PM PST by Joe_October (Saddam supported Terrorists. Al Qaeda are Terrorists. I can't find the link.)
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To: countrydummy
""(Republicans) used issues like guns, prayer in school, gay rights, abortion rights - all these divisive issues,"

Yes, in general being able to tell right from wrong has a tendency to divide the sheep grom the goats, and you Mister dumb*ss presidential wannabe, are a goat, and a really annoying one at that.

44 posted on 12/12/2003 3:06:16 PM PST by sweetliberty (Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: countrydummy
Take a look at this website --- DEAN makes racial political history. Makes up is more like it.
45 posted on 12/12/2003 3:07:50 PM PST by Eva
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To: countrydummy
The man just doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut (thank God).
46 posted on 12/12/2003 3:10:18 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: kimoajax
"Not a smirk, but what? I can't quite put my finger on it."

More of a sneer.

47 posted on 12/12/2003 3:11:23 PM PST by sweetliberty (Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: TASMANIANRED
Or - What if LHO was not killed in Dallas, but, was smuggled out of the U.S. and dumped in Laos. While there, he met and married an American Communist sympathizer. After a few years, the mother brought her children back to the United States where one would try to reach the highest levels of the Unites States government.

One of the brothers decided to return to Laos to find his father. Upon finding him, LHO has his child shot and dumped in the jungle,never to be heard from until recently.

The other child grew up admiring the Communist State but never had the guts to visit it. He has decided,however, to build such a State in the United States.

It could be you know.....

48 posted on 12/12/2003 3:15:59 PM PST by capydick (Where did all these Useful Idiots come from?)
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To: Vermonter
"Have you seen him in the debates when someone challenges him?"

I'm reminded of Al Gore's move in the debates designed to intimidate GW and Bush's casual nod and half-smirk in response. It was a classic moment. Can you imagine Dean getting in Dubya's face. All he would have to do is chuckle and Howie would blow a gasket. ROTFL! Creates an amusing mental image to say the least, and would doubtless leave an indelible impression on any voters who happened to be watching.

Given the options of a malicious malignancy like Hillary, a raving lunatic like Dean or GW Bush, I think I'll take my chances with the president. He may make mistakes, but at least he isn't evil or an idiot.

49 posted on 12/12/2003 3:18:17 PM PST by sweetliberty (Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: capydick
"Or - What if LHO was not killed in Dallas, but, was smuggled out of the U.S. and dumped in Laos. While there, he met and married an American Communist sympathizer. After a few years, the mother brought her children back to the United States where one would try to reach the highest levels of the Unites States government. "

With just a little bit of refinement we could turn this into a rival of the black helicopters.
50 posted on 12/12/2003 3:37:38 PM PST by TASMANIANRED
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