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Ex-Navy pilot loses libel suit, again
Washington Times ^ | 12/13/03 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 12/13/2003 2:33:35 AM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:11:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A U.S. appeals court yesterday upheld the dismissal of a libel suit brought by a former Navy pilot against Elaine Donnelly and her Center for Military Readiness.

A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled unanimously that District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth correctly threw out the suit brought by Carey Dunai Lohrenz.


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1 posted on 12/13/2003 2:33:36 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
However, this opens up another can 'o worms. What if some reporter on the left successfully obtained the flight records of the President?
2 posted on 12/13/2003 3:56:03 AM PST by Archangelsk (See everyone at the ICI Center today!)
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To: Archangelsk
My guess is that the flight records of the President have been obtained and since there was nothing derogatory or negative in them nothing they have been ignored by the left.
3 posted on 12/13/2003 4:48:14 AM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: kattracks
Affirmative action promotions of women and minorities has been the rule in the military for years. The quota's MUST be filled. The result is obvious.
4 posted on 12/13/2003 4:49:27 AM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: kattracks
bump
5 posted on 12/13/2003 6:23:03 AM PST by VOA
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To: OldFriend
thanks to jimmy the peanut farmer carter
6 posted on 12/13/2003 7:03:25 AM PST by camas
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To: Pukin Dog
ping for what you might know
7 posted on 12/13/2003 7:09:51 AM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: kattracks
Full story at

http://www.cmrlink.org/CMRLawsuit.asp?DocID=176

Lorhenz is the prototypical whining harpey, demanding special treatment while simultaneously demanding to be accepted as an equal. A triumph of radical feminism.

8 posted on 12/13/2003 8:44:25 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Archangelsk
It's already been done. Apparently Bush was a good pilot. Much better than Carey Dunai Lohrenz can claim.

In Bush's evaluation for the period May 1, 1971 through April 30, 1972, then-Colonel Bobby Hodges, his commanding officer, stated, "I have personally observed his participation, and without exception, his performance has been noteworthy."

9 posted on 12/13/2003 8:47:09 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Archangelsk
"However, this opens up another can 'o worms. What if some reporter on the left successfully obtained the flight records of the President?"

Including his recent carrier landing? ;-)

Seriously, the one to worry would be John "Reverse Ace" McCain.
10 posted on 12/13/2003 8:54:58 AM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Seriously, the one to worry would be John "Reverse Ace" McCain.

Dang. You beat me to it.

11 posted on 12/13/2003 9:04:21 AM PST by jackbill
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To: GATOR NAVY
Mrs. Donnelly is a hero to Naval Aviation. Due to her efforts, the Navy has gotten it's training act together again.

If Lt. Carey "Scary" Lohrenz had a (detectable) penis, she would have never sat in a Tomcat, much less flown one. Pat Burns is a heroic friend who sacrificed his career for the rest of us. "Scary" will probably keep it up until slapped down by the Supreme Court, because she was one who thought a Tomcat ride was her divine right, rather than an earned privilege. What makes this decision so sweet is that another woman wrote the opinion.

"Scary" knew that personal reflection is the mark of a good officer. She knew that people were refusing to fly with her, and she knew that she got extra chances that were in direct violation of the rules. She is lucky that she didn't die like "Revlon" did. Today is a good day for the Navy, tonight former and present Tomcat drivers will raise our glasses again for Donnelly tonight.

12 posted on 12/13/2003 9:10:07 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
Well stated. We don't need anymore Kara Hultgreens.
13 posted on 12/13/2003 9:14:03 AM PST by squidly
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To: Pukin Dog
I met a Naval aviator (F-14) in a gun shop about 8 or 9 years ago and when we began to discuss the death of the woman pilot who crashed I discovered he was really mad.

I got the impression that a lot of pilots were on the verge of resignation after that and also the tailhook scandal which was much less than appeared.

14 posted on 12/13/2003 9:17:19 AM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog
I was at Tailhook, and I came very close to quitting twice. Once because of the lies told by female aviators about their own activities, then again when Congress came down on Bob Stumpf, who was good enough to command the Blue Angels, but not good enough for Politically Correct Congress.

We had a right to be angry about Kara and Carey because the job is dangerous enough without a couple of incompetent Sheilas up there putting scank-stank on your shit. Hell, Kara once forgot to shut down an engine on the flight deck, and almost sucked up a yellow-shirt. I KNOW they would have tossed me over the side for that maneuver, yet she stayed and would have probably gone up the chain has she not pulled her famous rudder-for-lineup move that finally took her life.

Tailhook was what it always was. Aggressive men mixed with alcohol. You know the rest. Anyone unable to hang in that environment, should not have been there. You don't get gold wings for being a pussy. I fear the day that some sensitive woman with penis-envy is all that stands between a Backfire bomber and any place I happen to be. I'm going to shut up now. I already said too much.

15 posted on 12/13/2003 9:35:46 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
You actually sound like the guy I met. This was at Liberty Sport Shop in DeFuniak Springs, Florida.

The owner was a retired Air Force Colonel and had flown just about everything in the inventory, including U2's from 1942 until his retirement.

Of course the two aviators enjoyed talking flying.

16 posted on 12/13/2003 9:50:20 AM PST by yarddog
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To: jackbill
Whenever anyone questions McCain's record, he goes ballistic and says his patriotism and heroism is being questions.........

Uh, well, yes John....it is!

17 posted on 12/13/2003 11:05:06 AM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: OldFriend
Whenever anyone questions McCain's record, he goes ballistic and says his patriotism and heroism is being questions.........
Uh, well, yes John....it is!


Some of the Bush haters here do as well.
18 posted on 12/13/2003 12:01:21 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
I think Bush flew an F102. If he did that and is still alive,---he was a good pilot.
19 posted on 12/13/2003 12:05:23 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Partner you ain't said enough, come to a real EOD party sometime and I will teach you the DOFA (Dance of the Flaming Asshole). Your carrier landings on the beer soaked table are nothing to compare to it.
20 posted on 12/13/2003 12:09:21 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: U S Army EOD; Pukin Dog
When and where? Let's do it.
21 posted on 12/13/2003 12:10:05 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
Don't tell anybody the 99th EOD's secret about us soaking the toilet paper in gasoline for our guest.
22 posted on 12/13/2003 12:11:52 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: U S Army EOD
Our secret is semi safe..After all, we know aviators can't read :- )
23 posted on 12/13/2003 12:13:20 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
Matter of fact it was an Army aviator who use to show up all the time at the unit to try and win the DOFA championship of all Vietnam. I just don't see how the guy took all the pain when his toilet paper would flare up like it did. He would let it burn completely up and then start crying in disappointment. We had to make him up a special 3rd Ordnance Bn DOFA Champion T-Shirt to shut him up. God I hate to see a grown man cry.
24 posted on 12/13/2003 12:22:17 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: gatorbait
Should we get together, I'll have to tell you boys about the 12 year old girl in Aussieland we paid to lie down next to one of our own before we woke him up, with all of us acting angry and concerned, while her father pretended to be angry beating on the hotel room door. It cost us $300, but a better joke was never done on anyone.
25 posted on 12/13/2003 12:24:40 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: OldFriend
"Whenever anyone questions McCain's record, he goes ballistic and says his patriotism and heroism is being questions........."

He shows his patriotism by trying to subvert the First Amendment and the Second Amendment.

26 posted on 12/13/2003 12:26:42 PM PST by gatex
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To: Pukin Dog
That was my wife you bastard.
27 posted on 12/13/2003 12:27:01 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: U S Army EOD
It that's true, then I know her better than you do....
28 posted on 12/13/2003 12:27:42 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
It was a sheep wasn't it?
29 posted on 12/13/2003 12:29:07 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: U S Army EOD
Spill spittin' hairs....
30 posted on 12/13/2003 12:30:22 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
Should we get together

Hell's bells, let's do it! That is a FABULOUS trick!!
When and where, man?
31 posted on 12/13/2003 12:30:40 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Pukin Dog
spill - still
32 posted on 12/13/2003 12:30:52 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
spill - still
I think spill is the reason....still.
33 posted on 12/13/2003 12:32:54 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Pukin Dog
Actually wool would be a better way off putting it.
34 posted on 12/13/2003 12:33:36 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: pabianice
She's like a lot of the femsows. She wants equal pay for unequal work. I'm glad there are strong, honest women like Donnelly to stand for the truth.
35 posted on 12/13/2003 12:34:15 PM PST by 185JHP ( "What seest thou, Jeremiah?")
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To: U S Army EOD; Pukin Dog
Actually wool would be a better way off putting it.


Shearly you jest.....
36 posted on 12/13/2003 12:34:43 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
Its not baa baaaad.
37 posted on 12/13/2003 12:35:54 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: U S Army EOD
Its not baa baaaad.
he said, sheepishly.....
38 posted on 12/13/2003 12:36:51 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
That is a very dangerous invitation to accept from a sailor. Beware.
39 posted on 12/13/2003 12:37:28 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: gatorbait
The fleas were like pepper.
40 posted on 12/13/2003 12:38:22 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: U S Army EOD
Just dont fall asleep on the Dog. You will regret it.
41 posted on 12/13/2003 12:39:01 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog; U S Army EOD
The fleas were like pepper

No! I won't go back to the Anthony Wayne Hotel in Waynesboro, PA.
EOD, you're right, gotta watch dem sailor folk.
42 posted on 12/13/2003 12:40:16 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Pukin Dog
I always sleep on my back with a pillow over my head.
43 posted on 12/13/2003 12:41:00 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: gatorbait
When and where, man?

Give me 6 months, I starting my Delta training in 4 days.

44 posted on 12/13/2003 12:42:00 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog; U S Army EOD
Just dont fall asleep on the Dog. You will regret it.


I get it, Stay up late, wake up early or pay the price...
45 posted on 12/13/2003 12:42:26 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Taxman; aomagrat
Naval Aviation ping.
46 posted on 12/13/2003 12:43:09 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: U S Army EOD
I always sleep on my back with a pillow over my head.

There are many place where one can find a pillow that feels just like a hairy ass.

47 posted on 12/13/2003 12:44:00 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
Give me 6 months, I starting my Delta training in 4 days.


Deal!
48 posted on 12/13/2003 12:44:01 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: kattracks
This ruling closes a part of this op-ed piece by Walter E. Williams (on of my favorite writers) from April, 1997. Go to the 2nd paragraph.


Gender-Norming Update
by Walter Williams (April 4, 1997)

www.CapitalismMagazine.com] In October 1994, Lt. Kara Hultgreen was killed during an attempted landing of her F-14 on the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln. Femfeared (fear of feminists) Navy officials first re ported that engine failure caused the death of the Navy's first female F-14 pilot. That was a deliberate lie and coverup as later revealed in a leaked Mishap Investigation Report and the Navy's Judge Advocate General's report. After three requests, under the Freedom of Information Act, the Center for Military Readiness recently obtained a 1995 report written by Admiral Lyle G. Bien. The report confirms special treatment for female F-14 pilots. It also confirms that Lt. Hultgren was retained in the F-14 training program and graduated to the fleet despite low scores and four major errors (Downs), two of which were similar to those made the day she died. Just one or two major Downs have been enough to send men packing.

Then there's Lt. Carey Lohrenz, who was washed out of the F-14 program, who's brought suit against Elaine Donnelly, Director of the Center for Military Readiness and several newspapers. Lt. Lohrenz claims public release of her training records violated her privacy. Claiming sex discrimination, she's demanding reinstatement. Her training records are reported as being "the lowest night grades in the history of the FRS [Pacific F-14 Fleet Replacement Squadron] . . . no pilot in the history of the FRS was allowed to attempt requalification with grades as low as hers."

Aircraft carrier maneuvers are error unforgiving. Pilot incompetency not only jeopardizes the life of the pilot but crew members and the ship's mission as well. Case in point: during refueling, Lt. Lohrenz failed to secure the F-14's right engine so as not to suck approaching crew members into a turning engine. Since there is so much noise on deck, crew members can't tell whether an engine is off; it's the pilot's responsibility. Because of the alertness of the flight instructor a catastrophe was averted. Lt. Lohrenz was given the minor demerit, Signal of Difficulty (SOD), instead of a more serious Down. Other concessions included no Downs for serious violations such as not engaging automatic maneuvering devices in air combat maneuvering engagements. Officers who insist that females be held accountable to the same high standards as males are seen by higher brass as obstructionist and risk their careers.

Double standards to accommodate women have compromised military effectiveness. Women are three to four times as non-deployable as men as we learned during Desert Storm. Despite relentless sex education and condom distribution, pregnancy rates average 8 to 10 percent, and are much higher in some enlisted units. Fighting ships compromise their missions to insure the safety of pregnant females. Training standards have been lowered to accommodate lower strength and stamina of women.

The General Office of Accounting (GAO) reports that annual surveys done at service academies since 1992 show that complaints about double standards have been identified as the first or second most common form of verbal sexual harassment. Male resentment against double standards is sometimes expressed in inappropriate ways that have been featured in recent news stories of sexual, harassment, intimidation and rape at military posts.

There are physical differences between the sexes that affect combat readiness, but those differences do not deny a role for women in the nation's defense. Women were indispensable and served honorably in WWII. The femfeared military leadership does not have the guts to recognize sex differences and are willing to risk national security to appease radical feminists.


About the Author: Born in Philadelphia in 1936, Walter E. Williams holds a bachelor's degree in economics from California State University (1965) and a master's degree (1967) and doctorate (1972) in economics from the University of California at Los Angeles.
49 posted on 12/13/2003 12:44:18 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: HighWheeler
Navy officials first re ported that engine failure caused the death of the Navy's first female F-14 pilot. That was a deliberate lie and coverup as later revealed in a leaked Mishap Investigation Report

Leaked, huh? Hell, who wants to see it?

50 posted on 12/13/2003 12:53:03 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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