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"The Bodybags of Iraq and Afghanistan" (Roger's Story)
Talks with Roger....and of course Fred | 12/13/03 | redrock

Posted on 12/13/2003 9:59:29 PM PST by redrock

"The Bodybags of Iraq and Afghanistan" (Roger's Story)

He had an old mans walk.

Slow steady pace...deliberate.

He would walk the neighbourhood 2...3....4 times a day with his aged beagle Fred at his side...always ending up for a least a few moments at the bottom of the hill in the graveyard sitting by his wife who had passed on a few years before.

He didn't talk much to the rest of us. But he was friendly enough to always say "Hi!!".

He was friendly enough...and patient as he would stand still as the neighborhood children gathered around Fred.(That beagle had the biggest ears I have ever seen on a beagle......)

Then one day, and I don't know why to this day, but he stopped and began to talk with me as I was working in the front yard.

Just small talk really...but as if he was searching for something...some connection ...something that maybe we had in common.

He started to talk a little more each time...adding bits and peices of his life. Born here....married in this place...1 son...1 daughter.

Then one day....he sat down and began to talk. Of when he was 19....and a rifleman in the 29th Division...frightened..heading towards a beach in France.

He told me of how once in a great while (he was in the middle of the landing craft) you could actually see the beach.....and the huge explosions that were happening there....and how he hoped that no Germans would left. He told me of the sound of the shells going overhead....sometimes so loud that you couldn't hear the guy next to you...of how you could always tell the rounds from the Battleships...as they sounded like boxcars going by.

...and when the ramp lowered of how the men in the front half were killed in a blink of an eye...of how the machine guns would concentrate on the front of the craft. Of how men to the side of him...climbed over the sides of the landing craft...and drowned ...they were so weighted down with equipment.

...of how he tried to step sideways to avoid the machine guns....of how somehow he ran and found a tiny bit of safety behind a small bluff....his rifle left somewhere 'back there'. Of how he tried to make himself just as small as he could.....and tried to pretend that he wasn't where he was.

On a beach...with the dead and the dying.

And how,gradually, he became more and more aware of what was going on .

The repeated attempts to get past the beach.

The number of men huddled, just like he was, against that small bluff...or hiding behind the beach obstacles....or ,sometimes, trying to hide behind the body of someone already dead.

Of how the Germans would keep firing into the dead and dying...just to make sure.

He said he became gradually aware of one of the officers telling them that they would have to get off the beach. That those without weapons would have to find one....that they had some killing to do. He knew who the officer was.....he had seen him before but he couldn't remember his name at that time and place.

He told me of how he found a rifle....and got ready.

I asked him how, in the middle of all that death, could find the heart and courage to want to keep on fighting.

He said that one of the things he noticed was how,even in the middle of battle, the dead were being laid in a row...with whatever cover those doing the placing could find...covering their heads and faces. Sometimes just the helmet.

And then he said that the officer told the men getting ready to make a last ditch effort to get off the beach...that they were going to get back into the fight if for no other reason than for those men laying there with their faces covered in death....that NO man of the 29th ...NO American.....would be allowed to die in vain....for nothing. That they all had come here to fight and defeat evil....and that for 'Those men'....for 'Them'...they would have to continue on. ********************************************************************************** "This is a different kind of army. If you look at history you'll see men fight for pay, or women, or some other kind of loot. They fight for land, or because a king makes them, or just because they like killing. But we're here for something new. I don't.....this hasn't happened much in the history of the world. We're an army going out to set other men free."

Joshua Chamberlain

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So...here we are.

In a war...fighting to set other men free....and to fight another facet of the Evil that ,once again, is trying to enslave us. Fighting against an Evil that sends men out to kill small children on a bus......or to crash aircraft into tall buildings in an effort to dishearten us...to make us afraid.

...and each night we are visited by the news that more of our sons or brothers or fathers are dead in that war. That they are being put into bodybags (lets not sentimentalize it...lets be abrupt about it) and sent home to their loved ones....to their wives or parents or children.

And each night we are visited with the notion (put out by those who co-operate with that Evil) that we need to withdraw...to place ourselves at the mercy of the appeasers...at the mercy of the Evil...that it is too difficult a task for us to continue on with.

And each night we are visited with the idea that it is us...who are at fault. That somehow it is our love of Freedom...and our desire to pass that love of Freedom down to our children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren that makes us wrong...that somehow makes it our fault. That somehow we have created those who would send bombs to schoolyards or Synagogues or Business Centres to kill and maim.

That somehow...we must end this war against the Evil.....that we are not strong enough to withstand any more deaths.

And when I think of this...I think of Roger's story.

Of the bodies of his friends...lying in a row...and of how the sight of them helped him, and others, to continue the fight. I can imagine him telling me that all you have to do is to think of all those Americans in bodybags....and how we must go on with the battle if for no other reason then for 'them'.

So that none of them died in vain.....

That none of them have died for nothing.

That we must continue on in the war against the Evil.....if for nothing more than for 'Them'.


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My friend is gone now.....in that better place with his wife....and even Fred.(who didn't last more than a week without those walks with Roger.)

I miss the talks we had.The long,sometimes rambling,talks of how we got here as a Nation...and perhaps where we will end up at.

The long talks of the desire of a people wanting to be Free...and the Iron Will that must be attached to that desire.....if for no other reason than for all of those who have been laid out...their faces covered.

For them.

P.S....I miss my friend...although,sometimes late at night ,I think I can still see him walking his old man walk...with that darn long eared beagle attached to his side.

redrock

1 posted on 12/13/2003 9:59:29 PM PST by redrock
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; AuntB; joanie-f; M Kehoe; Washington_minuteman
For my friend......

redrock

2 posted on 12/13/2003 10:01:08 PM PST by redrock (Boooga---Boooga)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; William Wallace; Jim Robinson; First_Salute; VOA
For my Friend......

redrock

3 posted on 12/13/2003 10:03:59 PM PST by redrock (Boooga---Boooga)
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To: redrock
Thank you for sharing this. It sure does put things into perspective doesn't it?

And a big thank you to all the "Roger's" of our great country.

*sniff*
4 posted on 12/13/2003 10:11:12 PM PST by terilyn
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thank you for all the pings, and keeping me up to date.

Here's one for you.
5 posted on 12/13/2003 10:13:44 PM PST by terilyn
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To: redrock
I think I got something in my eye.

Good night friend.

5.56mm

6 posted on 12/13/2003 10:14:25 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: redrock
well, I can tell you are in this for the long haul, as is Roger still. (and Fred =0)

I shall never surrender either.

7 posted on 12/13/2003 10:18:59 PM PST by GeronL (Is your Tagline weak, limp and ineffective? Has it hurt your relationship? Try TiAGra today!!!!)
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To: GeronL
Yep....I'm 'in it' until the end.

The terrorists (The Evil) must be defeated.

redrock

8 posted on 12/13/2003 10:22:48 PM PST by redrock (Boooga---Boooga)
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To: redrock
A Patriot will walk many miles. Because of you and those like you, that Patriot will never walk alone.
9 posted on 12/13/2003 10:27:56 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: redrock
A teary-eyed, grateful and determined bump
10 posted on 12/13/2003 10:32:11 PM PST by skr (Pro-life from cradle to grave)
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To: redrock; Ragtime Cowgirl; Grampa Dave; NormsRevenge; BOBTHENAILER; Dog; doug from upland
Thanks so much for sharing this!

A couple of documents everyone should be aware of:

Al Qaeda’s Fantasy Ideology By Lee Harris

Our World-Historical Gamble By Lee Harris

11 posted on 12/13/2003 10:36:40 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis is now out of Arnoold's Office , Bout Time!!!!)
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To: smoothsailing
A Patriot will walk many miles. Because of you and those like you, that Patriot will never walk alone.

Good post..

12 posted on 12/13/2003 10:39:58 PM PST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: redrock; terilyn; Kathy in Alaska; MoJo2001; LindaSOG; LaDivaLoca; Fawnn; Bethbg79; bentfeather; ...
Heartfelt and beautiful tribute PING

redrock : Thank you Brother for giving us this story.
Roger must have been one helluva a guy!
You have done an excellent job honoring him.

terilyn : Thank You for making sure I saw this.
13 posted on 12/13/2003 10:41:38 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Season's Greetings)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
BUMP
14 posted on 12/13/2003 10:46:12 PM PST by GeronL (Is your Tagline weak, limp and ineffective? Has it hurt your relationship? Try TiAGra today!!!!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
bttt
16 posted on 12/13/2003 10:47:42 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: redrock
Thank you, for the story, and the lesson behind the story...

Please put me on your ping list- I would consider it an honor.

With my best regards,

17 posted on 12/13/2003 10:50:36 PM PST by Capitalist Eric (Noise proves nothing. Often the hen who merely laid an egg cackles as if she had laid an asteroid.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; redrock
Thanks redrock....And Tonkin, thanks for pinging me.
18 posted on 12/13/2003 10:52:11 PM PST by Brad's Gramma (I HAVE HELD MASTER LOGAN!! I have BEAT UP THE COWBOY!)
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To: farmfriend
Season's Greetings!
19 posted on 12/13/2003 10:52:12 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Season's Greetings)
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To: redrock
"This is a different kind of army. If you look at history you'll see men fight for pay, or women, or some other kind of loot. They fight for land, or because a king makes them, or just because they like killing. But we're here for something new. I don't.....this hasn't happened much in the history of the world. We're an army going out to set other men free."

Joshua Chamberlain

Did Chamberlain really say that?

20 posted on 12/13/2003 10:57:41 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
And to you and yours, my friend.
21 posted on 12/13/2003 10:58:12 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: redrock
I mean the real Chamberlain--not some Holywood actor.

Did the real Chamberlain say that?
22 posted on 12/13/2003 11:03:18 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: redrock
Thanks for sharing with us the aquaintance of a good man who knows the cost of freedom.
23 posted on 12/13/2003 11:05:20 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: redrock
That is exactly what I needed to hear today redrock. Thank you.
24 posted on 12/13/2003 11:09:37 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: redrock; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thank you for sharing Roger with us....

For them! And, for us and our freedoms!
25 posted on 12/13/2003 11:12:10 PM PST by Fawnn (Official Canteen wOOhOO Consultant, choreographer, and seismic anomaly & CookingWithPam.com creator)
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To: Age of Reason
Yes...Joshua Chamberlain really did say that....just before the battle of Gettysburg.

redrock

26 posted on 12/13/2003 11:21:42 PM PST by redrock (Boooga---Boooga)
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To: Age of Reason
Here's the entire speech.......

"Some of us volunteered to fight for Union. Some came in mainly because we were bored at home and this looked like it might be fun. Some came because we were ashamed not to.Many of us came.....because it was the right thing to do. All of us have seen men die. Most of us never saw a black man back home.We think on that too.But freedom.....is not just a word.

This is a different kind of army. If you look at history you'll see men fight for pay, or women, or some other kind of loot. They fight for land, or because a king makes them, or just because they like killing. But we're here for something new. I don't.....this hasn't happened much in the history of the world. We're an army going out to set other men free.

This is free ground. All the way from here to the Pacific Ocean. No man has to bow. No man born to royalty. Here we judge you by what you do, not by who your father was. Here you can be something. Here's a place to build a home. It isn't the land--there's always more land. It's the idea that we all have value, you and me, we're worth something more than the dirt. I never saw dirt I'd die for, but I'm not asking you to come join us and fight for dirt. What we're all fighting for, in the end, is each other."

27 posted on 12/13/2003 11:27:44 PM PST by redrock (Boooga---Boooga)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
You would have liked Roger.

redrock

28 posted on 12/13/2003 11:32:01 PM PST by redrock (Boooga---Boooga)
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To: redrock; joanie-f; snopercod
A friend of mine from Brooklyn, landed at Normandy Beach in the third week of June, 1944. He was quickly placed in the line and in sustained combat around and through the Cherbourg Peninsula.

He remained in sustained combat against the Germans, there, and then with elements of Patton's break out, where he continued in sustained combat until one week before the Battle of the Bulge.

On the eve of the Battle of the Bulge, he was "discovered" by the staff, to have been in sustained combat since his arrival in France, and they ordered him to the rear.

He took a truck, and then for a little bit, a train, to Paris.

He arrived in Paris at the moment of the German surprise attack.

He was ordered back to the front lines, but another staff sergeant intervened again, and they ordered him to a small unit held in reserve.

Then again, in January 1945, he was back in the thick of it, sustained combat until the end of the war, situated in western Czchechoslavkia (sp?) and also Austria.

I never new any of this until I happened to ask him one day in 1995, what did he do during World War II?

He was my oldest sister's husband, and nobody had ever mentioned that he had been a soldier in the U.S. Army. Only she knew; and a younger brother of his, knew.

I asked, what did he remember the most?

Answer: "The dead mothers and babies and children, in the ditches along the roads, all the way across France, from Cherbourg to the German border."

He returned home to New York after the end of the war, in time for his 19th birthday.

God bless him.

29 posted on 12/13/2003 11:50:46 PM PST by First_Salute
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To: redrock
Tribute to the honored. Thank you.
30 posted on 12/14/2003 12:05:25 AM PST by Jumper
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To: redrock
Thank you; and may God embrace you all.
31 posted on 12/14/2003 12:10:02 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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"I never new any of this until I happened to ask him one day in 1995, what did he do during World War II?

He was my oldest sister's husband, and nobody had ever mentioned that he had been a soldier in the U.S. Army. Only she knew; and a younger brother of his, knew."
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The postman who attended my family's church was just about the most gentle, quiet fellow I've ever met.
When I was in high school, a fellow student asked me "Did you know that Jake McNeice, the postman, was a stone killer-paratrooper in WWII?"
My immediate response was (sanitized) BRAVO SIERRA!
Turned out he survived four combat jumps in WWII in Europe (D-Day, Operation Market Garden; I don't know the name of the other two); apparently surviving four jumps (in one piece) then was a rare deal.
The link below will take you to his book (not for the squeamish!):

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=2Y2QC008TU&isbn=1932033122&itm=1
32 posted on 12/14/2003 12:17:52 AM PST by VOA
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To: VOA
Incredible!

And I only read the notes from the publisher.
33 posted on 12/14/2003 1:16:29 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis is now out of Arnoold's Office , Bout Time!!!!)
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To: redrock
Chamberlain's final paragraph, especially, is a homespun and wonderful retelling of the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence.
34 posted on 12/14/2003 1:41:57 AM PST by T'wit
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To: redrock; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
What a beautiful tribute, redrock.
*sniff*
This is a keeper.

Thanks for bringing me here, Tonk.
35 posted on 12/14/2003 1:43:07 AM PST by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: First_Salute
On Guard Duty one night outside a Base in Germany, this old man came walking buy. He stopped and extended his hand. I could see he had nothing in his hand but really could not see bacause of the shadows from the street lamps, he had no fingers. All he had on his right hand was a thumb.

He had served in the German Army and after wounds on the Eastern Front he was recuperating in a "Camp" he was ordered by an SS Major to shoot a prisoner, he refused. They chopped off his fingers right there and the Major shot the prisoner. He blamed Hitler, the SS, and wanted to thank me for being in his Country to stop the Soviets from doing to West Germany what they did the Berlin.

We had protesters all the time in Germany, most of them young and anti-nuke, anti-Military...etc....

But the older Germans knew we were there to stop the "Red Hoard" Peace through superior strength.
36 posted on 12/14/2003 1:51:23 AM PST by Michael121 (An old soldier knows truth. Only a Dead Soldier knows peace.)
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To: redrock; M Kehoe
Oh redrock.....you've done it again. Thank you with all my heart for this post.
37 posted on 12/14/2003 4:14:48 AM PST by Molly Pitcher (I miss Bob Bartley....)
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To: redrock
Thank you for the speach.

I gained three very important realizations from it.

(But probably not any of the ones you might think.)

From what little I know of Chamberlain, I like him.

But--as in the case of Theodore Roosevelt, whose life I have studied more--as much as I like him, I realize I'd probably dislike him were I his contemporary.
38 posted on 12/14/2003 5:02:34 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; redrock
Thank you for the ping Tonk. This reminds us of some of the deeper parts of the definition of freedom, and what it has cost to keep it alive. Hats off to all the troops that are serving, or ever have served.
39 posted on 12/14/2003 6:32:15 AM PST by Issaquahking
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To: redrock
It greatly bothers and saddens me that there are native born citizens of the United States of America who do not celebrate that Americans are the only people in history to behave as elegantly as we have to those we vanquish (and FRee!).

We are not an evil people or an evil nation, yet to listen to all the nattering nabobs of negatavism, we are the only rogue nation in the world.

One would think that 200 plus years of the stunning success of our social, political and economic system would inspire copycats -- instead it inspires many to hate us and to try to destroy us.

I have a theory as to why, but would enjoy hearing your thoughts on that subject.
40 posted on 12/14/2003 7:07:50 AM PST by Taxman
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Great story ~ Bump!
41 posted on 12/14/2003 7:58:03 AM PST by blackie
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To: McGavin999
Thank You.

With Roger's story....and the capture of Saddam ...(by some of Roger's Brothers)....it has been one awesome day.

redrock

42 posted on 12/14/2003 8:59:52 AM PST by redrock (Boooga---Boooga)
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To: redrock
Thank you for the story and the message behind (and in front) of it~
43 posted on 12/14/2003 9:01:03 AM PST by M0sby (My Marine is HOME!)
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To: redrock; Ernest_at_the_Beach; MJY1288; Calpernia; Grampa Dave; anniegetyourgun; BOBTHENAILER; ...

And each night we are visited with the idea that it is us...who are at fault. That somehow it is our love of Freedom...and our desire to pass that love of Freedom down to our children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren that makes us wrong...

That somehow...we must end this war against the Evil.....that we are not strong enough to withstand any more deaths.

And when I think of this...I think of Roger's story.

Of the bodies of his friends...lying in a row...and of how the sight of them helped him, and others, to continue the fight. I can imagine him telling me that all you have to do is to think of all those Americans in bodybags....and how we must go on with the battle if for no other reason then for 'them'.

So that none of them died in vain.....

That none of them have died for nothing.

That we must continue on in the war against the Evil.....if for nothing more than for 'Them'.

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Thank you, redrock. Great post.

It is a good day to honor your friend, and to remember.
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8 Ground Zero, Iraq ~ World On the Web  | 12/20/03 issue | Mindy Belz

Mindy Belz writes respectfully about the suffering of our wounded troops being treated at the medical clinic at Camp Anaconda, Balad. Many are paying a high price for our freedom today, and the Veterans who gave so much already, continue to support the  younger troops, and need our help, now....and for the rest of our lifetimes. 


44 posted on 12/14/2003 10:29:13 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "Our military is full of the finest people on the face of the earth." ~ Pres. Bush, Baghdad)
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To: redrock
Wonderful story, redrock. I'm saving this one to share with family and friends. Thanks.
45 posted on 12/14/2003 10:45:09 AM PST by arasina (What will YOU do when Howard Dean or Hillary Clinton is president?)
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To: redrock
Bump! Awesome.
46 posted on 12/14/2003 11:25:27 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: redrock
Something I recall Colin Powell saying.
(I paraphrase)
True America has gone to war many times this century, but all we've asked in that time is enough ground to bury our dead.
47 posted on 12/14/2003 3:32:15 PM PST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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To: Molly Pitcher
Thank You.

Our Nation is full of the proverbial 'little old men'....who most people overlook but, at sometime and somewhere, those 'little old men' did the most amazing things in the defense of their Nation and their Families.

redrock

48 posted on 12/14/2003 5:40:01 PM PST by redrock (Boooga---Boooga)
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To: redrock
Beautiful Redrock - thank you for posting an honoring a true American hero -- just like our current heroes.
49 posted on 12/14/2003 5:40:13 PM PST by StarCMC (God protect the 969th in Iraq and their Captain, my brother...God protect them all!)
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To: Issaquahking
Good to hear from you again!!!!

redrock

50 posted on 12/14/2003 5:42:08 PM PST by redrock (Boooga---Boooga)
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