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Saddam's capture could hurt Dean. [Coward Dean could never be a Commander in Chief like Bush.]
MSNBC.com ^ | 12-14-03 | MSNBC

Posted on 12/14/2003 12:17:43 PM PST by mr. mojo risin

WASHINGTON, Dec. 13 -- - As the political effects of Saddam Hussein's capture reverberate over the next several weeks, President Bush's re-election strategists will be able to pull the rug -- at least part of the way -- from under Democratic presidential contenders who have criticized Bush for failing to capture both Saddam and Osama bin Laden.

In the short run at least, Saddam’s capture is very good news for the “hawks” among the Democratic presidential contenders such as Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri, and not good news for harsh critics of Bush’s handling of Iraq operation, such as Democratic front-runner Howard Dean.

"I supported this effort in Iraq without regard for the political consequences because it was the right thing to do," Gephardt said in a written statement. "I still feel that way now and today is a major step toward stabilizing Iraq and building a new democracy."

Lieberman pointedly sharpened the differences between himself and Dean in an interview Sunday morning with Tim Russert on NBC’s Meet the Press.

“This is the choice the voters have to make in the primaries: If Howard Dean had his way, Saddam Hussein would be in power today, not in prison,” Lieberman told Russert.

Only two weeks ago Dean threw a rhetorical challenge at Bush, saying, “"Mr. President, if you'll pardon me, I'll teach you a little about defense."

• Dean reacts to capture news Presidential cadidate Howard Dean comments on the capture of Saddam Hussein by congratulating the U.S. military. MSNBC

Dean’s audacious claim to be Bush’s “teacher” on national security issues will seem even shakier now that Bush can point a dictator who was not only toppled but is in custody.

Dean had already misstepped in his initial reaction to the fall of Baghdad by sounding a bit grouchy and ungracious last April.

“We’ve gotten rid of him (Saddam Hussein), I suppose that’s a good thing,” Dean said on April 9. “But there’s going to be a long period where the United States is going to need to be maintained in Iraq and that’s going to cost the American taxpayers a lot of money that could be spent on schools and kids.”

In contrast Lieberman noted Sunday that ever since 1998 he had called for the overthrow of Saddam.

“I always felt he was ticking time bomb,” Lieberman said. After the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, Lieberman remarked, “I said to myself even more deeply I don’t want to wake up some day… after Saddam Hussein takes some action to hurt and kill Americans and say ‘why didn’t we knock him over when we could have?’”

When MSNBC's Chris Matthews asked Dean two weeks ago whether Saddam, if captured, should be tried and put to death, Dean replied, "we are allowing the Bosnian war criminals to be tried at The International Court in The Hague. That suits me fine. As long as they're brought to justice and tried, and so far we haven't had to have that discussion because the president has not been able to find either one (Saddam or Osama bin Laden)."

But Lieberman said Sunday, "this evil man has to face the death penalty. The International Tribunal at The Hague can not order the death penalty.”

Saddam was, Lieberman noted, “a homicidal maniac, a brutal dictator, he wanted to dominate the Arab world and was supporting terrorists. He caused the deaths of more than a million people, including now 460 Americans who went to overthrow him.”

Speaking to reporters Sunday, Dean said, "This is a great day of pride in the American military, a great day for the Iraqis and a great day for the American people and, frankly, a great day for the administration. I think President Bush deserves a day of celebration. We have our policy differences, but we won't be discussing those today. I think he deserves a day to celebrate as well."

He added in a written statement, "This development provides an enormous opportunity to set a new course and take the American label off the war. We must do everything possible to bring the UN, NATO, and other members of the international community back into this effort."

In a twist of fate, Saddam’s capture came just one day before Dean was scheduled to deliver his first major national security address since becoming the undisputed front runner in the Democratic field.

In a memo sent out to reporters just a few hours before Saddam’s capture, the Dean campaign previewed Monday’s speech saying “he will charge that advocates of a go-it-alone approach in the current administration ‘are leading America in a radical and dangerous direction.’” Dean is also set to introduce his key foreign policy and military advisors Monday.

In crafting their reaction statements to the capture of Saddam, Dean and the other Democratic contenders walked a fine line between congratulation, caution and continued criticism.

In order not to seem ungracious they could not afford to pour too much cold water on the news.

Yet even with Saddam in custody, Democratic presidential hopefuls must still try to make the argument to voters that Bush is incompetent in his handling of national security and therefore needs to be ousted so a Democrat can replace him.

Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry told NBC's Tom Brokaw Sunday, "This is an opportunity for the president to bury some of the hubris of the administration and the unilateralism of it and go back to the world community and say, 'OK, we all have a stake in making certain that we don't have a failed state in Iraq....' The president has a great moment here to bring people to the task of getting more people on the ground, reducing the risk to American soldiers, reducing the overextension of our forces, and frankly reducing the cost in dollars to the American taxpayer."

As Kerry's and Dean's comments indicated, some early Democratic reaction took the form of “Yes, this is good news but Bush still has not…” then Democrats will fill in the blank, by arguing that Bush has not yet:

Provided a definite timeline of withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq. Created the conditions for stable government in Iraq. Found weapons of mass destruction that Saddam’s regime was thought to have in the run-up to war, the weapons that provided the reason for toppling him. Killed or captured Osama bin Laden. Rendered al Qaida no longer a threat to America and other countries. The implicit message to the voters always is – as it must be – “I could do a better job at all these things, so elect me.”

Saddam in custody is a prize for Bush and his supporters but the way former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic has managed to use his on-going trial at The Hague to portray himself as a martyr underscores the risks of putting Saddam on trial.

Bush and his aides face a delicate decision on how to try Saddam and ensure he does not transform himself into another Milosevic.

Meanwhile, Bush strategists will keep an eye out for "a revolution of rising expectations" among voters, who may wonder: can we bring our troops home now -- or at least soon?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2004; babykiller; butthole; clintonwannabe; dean; hitlaryworshipper; howarddean; loser; marxist
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Dean...what a schmuck.
1 posted on 12/14/2003 12:17:44 PM PST by mr. mojo risin
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To: mr. mojo risin
"Mr. President, if you'll pardon me, I'll teach you a little about defense."

Once you have been tried and convicted, President Bush will, in due course, consider a pardon.

2 posted on 12/14/2003 12:22:24 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: mr. mojo risin
Only two weeks ago Dean threw a rhetorical challenge at Bush, saying, “"Mr. President, if you'll pardon me, I'll teach you a little about defense."
How to keep an arrogant Democratic frontrunner busy.
3 posted on 12/14/2003 12:23:24 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (If the world ended today, what would the headline be tomorrow?)
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To: mr. mojo risin
Main Entry: schmuck
Pronunciation: 'shm&k
Function: noun
Etymology: Yiddish shmok, literally, penis
Date: 1892
slang : JERK, Howard Dean, Howard Dean supporter
4 posted on 12/14/2003 12:24:59 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: mr. mojo risin
Dear MSNBC:

Duh!

Why do you think we are SO HAPPY!?
5 posted on 12/14/2003 12:28:57 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Lieberman and Gephardt are the only bearable ones. I for one appreciate what Gephardt said, that he supported the war because it was the right thing to do. I certainly hope he means it, and I wish a few more politicians would act that way.

Kerry is a monstrous fool who should exit stage left ASAP.

And Dean is smart enough, I think, to realize how much this hurts him.
6 posted on 12/14/2003 12:29:41 PM PST by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do!)
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To: mr. mojo risin
Not one of the nine nincompoops is qualified to shine GW's shoes
7 posted on 12/14/2003 12:30:56 PM PST by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: mr. mojo risin
It would really be too bad if this scuttles Dean's candidacy. I think Dubya is a winner in any case, but I'd rather he faced Howard than Lieberman or Gephardt. More room for error against the Vermontian.
8 posted on 12/14/2003 12:31:24 PM PST by squidly
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To: jocon307
Biden almost said that he would vote for Bush. He sure gave him and our troops a lot of credit today.
9 posted on 12/14/2003 12:32:56 PM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: mr. mojo risin
"Saddam Captured, World Wonders Of Impact On Dean Campaign!"


The media tries so hard to make those nine inconsequential dwarfs relevant.

10 posted on 12/14/2003 12:33:06 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: mr. mojo risin
Red Howard needs to invent a whole new campaign. LOL
11 posted on 12/14/2003 12:34:03 PM PST by Petronski (Can you hear the carpenters, Saddam? They're building a gallows.)
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To: mr. mojo risin
Reply from a website of Dean sheep:

OK, good news. Now.... what about all the lost jobs here in the US, What about the shady, "sexed-up" intelligence used to GET us into this war in the first place, What about Halliburton's role in both the destruction and rebuilding of Iraq, What about the goddamned WMD's, What about The cutting of veteran's benefits, What about the Patriot Act, What about the stepped-up destruction of the environment during this administration, What about the lack of a living wage, What about the lack of health coverage for millions of Americans, What about the tens of millions of us who are forced to work two full time jobs just to make rent, What about the tax cuts for the rich when the rest of us are struggling, What about the lack of political balance in the major media outlets, What about Diebold and BBV, WHat about Bechtel, What about James Baker, What about the tens of thousands of civilians killed over there to get ONE guy, What about the 300+ US soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, What about the stalled investigation into the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks, What about the Valerie Plame scandal, What about the culture of hatred and intolerance that is building and spreading across America, What about Halliburton overcharging the government, What about bringing the troops home and making sure they're safe, What about the mainstream media being owned and operated by Bush cronies and contributors, What about all the soldiers over in the desert still being attacked, What about those 16 words (remember them?), What about teachers in this country getting paid about as much as short order cooks, What about Prescott Bush's Nazi connections, What about Afghanistan, What about the fact that rich white kids don't have to die for their country but dark-skinned kids and poor whites DO, What about the Saudis and their ties to the Bushes, What about Michael Powell (the son of Colin POwell) being the head of the FCC and using that power to stifle any hint of dissent, What about the increasing hegemony of madia outlets serving up only one political perspective, What about Cheney's secret energy meetings, What about those damned WMD's again, What about Bush asking the Iraqi resistance to "Bring it on" to his troops, What about the rich getting richer and never sharing, What about the stalled economy, What about the reasons why it took this goddamned long to find this asshole, and what about Osama? Is this really a time for rejoicing?

12 posted on 12/14/2003 12:34:38 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: squidly
seriously, I think Gephardt takes Iowa now by a very slim margin.
13 posted on 12/14/2003 12:34:39 PM PST by oceanview
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To: mr. mojo risin
Howard Dean would appear as a terrible bully internationally. Statesmanship is what is required. The only democrat that exhibits statesmanship is Joseph Lieberman.
14 posted on 12/14/2003 12:35:21 PM PST by NetValue (America. Doing what's right for the world, again and again.)
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To: Rebelbase
What about the known risks of drinking the bong water?
15 posted on 12/14/2003 12:35:44 PM PST by Petronski (Can you hear the carpenters, Saddam? They're building a gallows.)
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I just love Gore "coming out" for Dean on an antiwar candidate, giving Dean the "boost" he needed.

More like a booster, right on Dean's CHEEK!!!

Now, they have matching rosey cheeks.

16 posted on 12/14/2003 12:36:20 PM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Rebelbase
What about an order of french fries to go with your double cheeseburger and diet coke?
17 posted on 12/14/2003 12:39:50 PM PST by Snake65 (Osama Bin Decomposing)
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To: Rebelbase
Nothing will be good enough for these people. I guess they want to relive the day when their man in the WH has interns servicing their every need.

They've lost elections and they will continue to lose elections until their attitudes change.
18 posted on 12/14/2003 12:43:01 PM PST by marajade
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To: mr. mojo risin
My personal opinion is that only Lieberman can say much about his positions vis a vis Iraq. The live captur of Saddam has been the best of all possible news for the USA. The one picture of an American military doctor checking a compliant Saddam says far more about the American efforts in the Middle East and Afghanistan than could any photo of a dead body. Check out the Palistinian reaction. The USA keeps its morality and compassion where the Islamists know only death and distruction!!
19 posted on 12/14/2003 12:49:16 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Petronski
What about the known risks of drinking the bong water?

There are risks?

20 posted on 12/14/2003 1:01:19 PM PST by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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