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Singer Lauryn Hill Blasts Church at Vatican Concert
Reuters ^ | Dec 14, 2003 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 12/14/2003 1:06:12 PM PST by jern

By Philip Pullella

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - American singer Lauryn Hill, from a stage used by the Pope, shocked Catholic officials at a concert by telling them to "repent" and alluding to sexual abuse of children by U.S. priests.

The broadside came during the recording Saturday night of a Christmas concert attended by top Vatican (news - web sites) cardinals, bishops and many elite of Italian society, witnesses said.

Hill made her comments when taking the microphone to sing at the concert, held in the same huge hall and stage Pope John Paul (news - web sites) uses for his weekly general audiences and other events. The Pope was not present.

"I did not come here to celebrate the birth of Christ with you but to ask you why you are not in mourning for his death inside this place," she said according to a transcript of her statement run by the Rome newspaper La Repubblica.

A spokesman for Prime Time Productions, the concert's organizers, said the newspaper's quotes were accurate.

"God has been a witness to the corruption of his leadership, of the exploitation and abuses ... by the clergy," she said.

This was an apparent reference to the scandal in the United States last year over the sexual abuse of children by priests.

Hill told the crowd to seek blessings "from God not men" and said she did "not believe in representatives of God on earth."

A few feet away in the front row sat five cardinals, including Edmund Szoka, American governor of Vatican City.

Hill, 28, did not sing the song listed on the program but instead sang a song about social injustice.

Organizers said Hill's outburst and performance would most probably be cut from the show when it is aired on Christmas Eve.

Hill shot to fame in the mid-1990s with band The Fugees, whose album "The Score" sold 17 million copies, to become one of the biggest hip-hop chart successes of all time.

She went on to win five Grammy awards for her debut solo album, "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill." She has a son and daughter by Rohan Marley, the son of Reggae legend Bob Marley.


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1 posted on 12/14/2003 1:06:12 PM PST by jern
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To: jern
"She has a son and daughter by Rohan Marley, the son of Reggae legend Bob Marley."

Bob Marley. Oh yeah. Now there was a real supporter of the USA, the Pope, and Catholics.

Rastas all.

2 posted on 12/14/2003 1:10:51 PM PST by OpusatFR (Al Dean and Howard Gore, separated at birth.)
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To: jern
I'm offended and I don't even believe. What a sick twisted bitch.
3 posted on 12/14/2003 1:11:38 PM PST by Gumption
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To: jern
What has she done lately? I happen to agree that the Pope has not been esp. strong in his condemnation but the man is knocking at death's door.
4 posted on 12/14/2003 1:12:10 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: jern
This woman Hill is obviously not Catholic - why did the Vatican allow her to sing?
5 posted on 12/14/2003 1:13:11 PM PST by Ken522
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To: Akron Al; Alberta's Child; Andrew65; AniGrrl; Antoninus; apologia_pro_vita_sua; Askel5; ...
PING.

Who organizes these pop music concerts in the Vatican?
6 posted on 12/14/2003 1:13:13 PM PST by Loyalist (Conservative Party of Canada: A truly progressive alliance!)
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To: OpusatFR
Devout Rastafarians believe that Haile Selassie is the incarnation of God, a man who has denied this claim (who was ethiopian orthodox catholic himself).
7 posted on 12/14/2003 1:13:21 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: Gumption
I'm offended and I don't even believe. What a sick twisted bitch.

What's sicker: her bringing this up, or the Pope ignoring the problem of pedophile priests?
8 posted on 12/14/2003 1:14:44 PM PST by lelio
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To: jern
more on Hill's religious beliefs... she should be the last one talking

http://www.bet.com/articles/1,,c2gb3075-3739,00.html
9 posted on 12/14/2003 1:15:06 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: lelio
Time and place dude.
10 posted on 12/14/2003 1:16:03 PM PST by Gumption
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To: ElkGroveDan
This is what happens when you let Protestants speak around Catholics.
11 posted on 12/14/2003 1:18:02 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: jern
Lauryn Hill has two or three out of wedlock children and wavers between voodoo and rastafarianism. What the heck was she doing at a Vatican concert?
12 posted on 12/14/2003 1:18:14 PM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: cyborg
Yikes. After reading that link, who in their right mind invited her to a Vatican concert?
13 posted on 12/14/2003 1:18:18 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: jern
Anyone remember $hitnade O'Connor... her career tanked so bad that she recently dropped out of the music biz.

I hope that is the end result of Ms. Hill's outburst.

Actions have consequences.

Trajan88

14 posted on 12/14/2003 1:19:09 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Azzurri
If nothing else, she shows she has no class. There's a time and place for everything. She belongs back in the Riverton Dump she came from.
15 posted on 12/14/2003 1:19:51 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: thathamiltonwoman
Sounds more like she's a practicing slut.
16 posted on 12/14/2003 1:20:07 PM PST by OldFriend ( BLESS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: jern
5 Grammy awards huh?Now we know how she got them.AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS!This is a pretty good sign her career is going down the tubes when someone has to do something this outrageous to gain attention.
17 posted on 12/14/2003 1:21:17 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: cyborg
more on Hill's religious beliefs... she should be the last one talking

While I disapprove of her using that forum for that message, your link doesn't say she's done anything as evil as pedophilia.

18 posted on 12/14/2003 1:21:39 PM PST by JoeSchem
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To: jern
picture please
19 posted on 12/14/2003 1:21:47 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: OpusatFR
Bob Marley. Oh yeah. Now there was a real supporter of the USA, the Pope, and Catholics.

Bad barroom poetry

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Elvis lives or so they say

But I heard something really gnarly

Another "dead" one's still around;

I'm talking 'bout Bob Marley

Of a tumor he did "die"

But he survived and performs unfettered

Without a brain he writes new songs

And, frankly, they sound better

20 posted on 12/14/2003 1:22:06 PM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: Azzurri; All
http://www.celebritywonder.com/html/laurynhill.html

More. Born here but has that dumpy scratchhouse mentality of the dump I deal with everyday in some of my clients. Some rastas are wonderful then there are the wannabes like Lauryn Hill.
21 posted on 12/14/2003 1:24:31 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: muleskinner
You don't want that.
22 posted on 12/14/2003 1:24:34 PM PST by Gumption
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To: jern
WHO the John F. Kerry hired this B#tch??? THEY should be taken out to the WOODSHED....and I.m GLAD she embarrassed them in a way. That;s just what they deserve.
23 posted on 12/14/2003 1:25:01 PM PST by Ann Archy
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To: JoeSchem
There's a time and place for everything. That was neither the time or the place.
24 posted on 12/14/2003 1:25:02 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: cyborg
There's a time and place for everything

And it's called college.

(what's that from?)

25 posted on 12/14/2003 1:27:56 PM PST by Gumption
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Kind of like having Rosanne Barr singing the National Anthem. Just askin' for trouble.
26 posted on 12/14/2003 1:28:02 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture (Anagram of my screenname: TRUE UNCLE TRUER COCONUT)
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To: Gumption
I don't know...lol
27 posted on 12/14/2003 1:28:26 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: OldFriend
Sounds more like she's a practicing slut.

Maybe she is, but at least she hasn't protected and enabled child rapers

28 posted on 12/14/2003 1:33:14 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: JoeSchem
Pedophilia is evil but the way the Catholic priest thing was spun by the media and the anti-Catholic zealots (I think you qualify), you would have thought "all" priests were pedophiles when the percentage was less than the overall population's percentage of pedophilia.

Also a large portion of the perceived pedophila were queer priests who shouldn't have been Catholic to begin with going after young teenage boys.

Still the church covered up the what was happening to the young boys because they didn't have the guts to go after the queers in the priesthood because the queers had made their way into mid-level management.

The great majority of priests are good decent men that have given themselves to the church and mankind. Most of them are probably much more decent than the anti-Catholic zealots and media whores out there.
29 posted on 12/14/2003 1:36:58 PM PST by montomike (montomike)
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To: Loyalist
Didn't know she was black until later in the thread. This is the Vatican trying to "reach out"...Reach out these days and you get bit!

30 posted on 12/14/2003 1:40:17 PM PST by George from New England
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To: jern
Lauren Hill has basically said in the past that she hates whites. She's just a racist b***h has-been.
31 posted on 12/14/2003 1:40:52 PM PST by Rainmist
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To: jern
"American singer Lauryn Hill, from a stage used by the Pope, shocked Catholic officials at a concert by telling them to "repent" and alluding to sexual abuse of children by U.S. priests."

Inspired by God, Saint Paul wrote: "As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate" (I Corinthians 14:34).

32 posted on 12/14/2003 1:41:48 PM PST by TheCrusader
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To: TheAngryClam
as an Anglican catholic protestant, I take exception to your comment. Like many who say the right thing in the wrong place, Ms. Hill should be admonished, but 80 million in Boston, 25 million in Dallas and hundreds of millions of Dallas spent on payments either in the open or undercover his a crime against the poor and the needy that the church should care for in this world.

That an underground group of homosexual priests have taken over various religions and caused so much grief is a crime against the church and even a pagan can point out the crime.

33 posted on 12/14/2003 1:43:33 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: jern
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"God has been a witness to the corruption of his leadership, of the exploitation and abuses ... by the clergy," she said.

This was an apparent reference to the scandal in the United States last year over the sexual abuse of children by priests.

Hill told the crowd to seek blessings "from God not men" and said she did "not believe in representatives of God on earth."

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1 posted on 12/14/2003 2:06:12 PM MST by jern

Is the Pope not a Sinner just like you and me ?
Is John Paul II washed of sin by the Blood of the Lamb ?

Should John Paul II not have stopped the sexual abuse of children.
Is John Paul II not guilty of permitting it's continuation ?

Are we not told by Y'shua to seek blessing from G-d through His Name ?

Are we not told by Y'shua not to seek blessings from man ?

Is John Paul II more righteous than any other saved sinner ?


It was rude but:


NAsbU 1 Timothy 5:19 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses. 20 Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning. 21 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality.


NAsbU 2 Timothy 4:1 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:
2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. 5 But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

a bondslave to the Christ

chuck

34 posted on 12/14/2003 1:43:34 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>)
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To: montomike
The great majority of priests are good decent men that have given themselves to the church and mankind

I agree with that. The real issue is the criminal conspiracy of the some in the hierarchy to coverup and even aid these monsters for decades.

But I don't understand how some Catholics can continue to defend them and excuse them, and claim that any criticism of them is just "Catholic-bashing"

35 posted on 12/14/2003 1:44:30 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: lelio
Wrong question.

You is she, or YOU for that matter, to lecture anyone?
36 posted on 12/14/2003 1:46:13 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: WackyKat
But I don't understand how some Catholics can continue to defend them and excuse them, and claim that any criticism of them is just "Catholic-bashing"

Criticize all you want. There is a time and place for such.

Is it appropriate for some bone-in-the-nose rasta to upbraid Church officials on an occasion like this?

I think not.

37 posted on 12/14/2003 1:48:11 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: q_an_a
It wasn't that part that the protestantism thing was relating to.

It was more the "no man, just God!" thing. It's a very common trope among anti-Catholic protestantism, too critical of the Church's reliance on tradition rather than utter biblical fundamentalism.
38 posted on 12/14/2003 1:49:15 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: q_an_a
even a pagan can point out the crime.

Hey! I resemble that remark.

39 posted on 12/14/2003 1:49:28 PM PST by Gumption
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To: WackyKat
I don't understand that either. The priests with sexual proclivities should leave the priesthood, normal and queer. They took a vow of celibacy to become priests. Its a job requirement and secularists and other religions shouldn't tell Catholics what the job requirements should be.
40 posted on 12/14/2003 1:51:33 PM PST by montomike (montomike)
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To: q_an_a
That an underground group of homosexual priests

in some branches of Christianity, they aren't even underground anymore.

41 posted on 12/14/2003 1:56:31 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: cyborg
I have mixed emotions on this. I'm not big on accepting an invitation then attacking your host. On the other hand the church allowed certain policies to continue that contributed to further abuse of countless individuals, mostly children.

No church is free from a certain criminal element within it's ranks, even leadership. It is how those churches address issues of this sort when they arise, that is the measure of their adherance to Christ's teachings. On this one, the Catholic leadership failed miserably.

I will stress, the vast majority of Catholics are as shocked and angry about what has taken place at some of their leader's hands, as anyone else.

Perhaps this message needed to be conveyed in public, even by this messenger. I am not a Catholic and am not privy to all the corrective measures that have been taken by the Vatican, but my overall impression is that it still hasn't acknowledged the full extent of it's complicity and appologized as profusely as it should. I would be willing to accept that more corrective measures may have been taken than I am aware of.

The bottom line is that far too many children, their parents and the members of Catholic churches have been betrayed by their leadership than should have. When judgement day comes, there's going to be a lot of splainin' to do.

Here's to hoping this these types of activities never again occur within any organized religious organization.
42 posted on 12/14/2003 1:56:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Loyalist
Since FatBoy and Skeletor let the Smoke of Satan into the Roman Church with V-2, I am hardly surprised that the current management invites a practitioner of degenerate "art" to give a concert at the Corporate Headquarters.

The Catholic Church is so much better after having excommunicated Archbishop LeFebvre. So, when does Rome put up its Kwanzaa decorations?

43 posted on 12/14/2003 1:56:57 PM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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To: sinkspur
Criticize all you want. There is a time and place for such. Is it appropriate for some bone-in-the-nose rasta to upbraid Church officials on an occasion like this? I think not.

Parents complained in private for decades that their sons were being raped. What did that get them?

Their complaints were either ignored, denied or covered up by the hierarchy, and the rapists were protected and coddled.

Given their past behavior , the hierarchy has waived its right to be approached with diplomatic subserviance on the issue

44 posted on 12/14/2003 1:59:17 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: cyborg
What has she done lately?

Perhaps you missed this: "She has a son and daughter by Rohan Marley, the son of Reggae legend Bob Marley." See? She had sex with the son of a famous person... at least TWICE!!! We HAVE to listen to her!!!

(Oddly enough, it does not mention her ever being wedded to him... but that doesn't mean anything, right? She a CELEBRITY!!!)

45 posted on 12/14/2003 1:59:42 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: DoughtyOne
I'm not particularly interested in apologies, profuse or otherwise.

I'm interested in concrete actions to remove from office those priests and bishops who have misused or abused their positions of authority, and to ensure that their ilk are not accepted into the seminaries in the first place.
47 posted on 12/14/2003 2:01:40 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: WackyKat
Given their past behavior , the hierarchy has waived its right to be approached with diplomatic subserviance on the issue

To be upbraided by a voodoo practitioner?

I disagree, obviously. "In your face" blows up in the face of the blower, not the blowee.

Practice diplomacy, or be ignored. You think anybody's going to pay attention to this foolish woman?

48 posted on 12/14/2003 2:02:28 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: WackyKat
"But I don't understand how some Catholics can continue to defend them and excuse them, and claim that any criticism of them is just "Catholic-bashing"

No good Catholic defends or excuses the evil done by fellow Catholics any more than a good Protestant or Jew would defend or excuse those of their faith who do evil.
One who accepts an invitation to go to the home of another and levy insults shows him or herself to be rude and ill bred. I would hope that those of her group would repudiate her and her behavior.
I will never in any way patronize any thing with which she is connected.
49 posted on 12/14/2003 2:07:49 PM PST by rogator
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To: rogator; sinkspur
I don't listen to Hill's music and I'm not defending her manners

The problem is that many people, including many Catholics I know, feel that the Church still has not brought to account those responsible for past crimes against children and been honest about the widespread complicity that existed

Given that, its hard to sympathize with their complaints of the mere rudeness of confronting them with the issue.

50 posted on 12/14/2003 2:20:20 PM PST by WackyKat
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