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Michael Moore on Saddam's capture (BARF alert!)
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Posted on 12/15/2003 7:02:49 AM PST by SB00
Sunday, December 14th, 2003 We Finally Got Our Frankenstein... and He Was In a Spider Hole! -- by Michael Moore
Thank God Saddam is finally back in American hands! He must have really missed us. Man, he sure looked bad! But, at least he got a free dental exam today. That's something most Americans can't get.
America used to like Saddam. We LOVED Saddam. We funded him. We armed him. We helped him gas Iranian troops.
But then he screwed up. He invaded the dictatorship of Kuwait and, in doing so, did the worst thing imaginable -- he threatened an even BETTER friend of ours: the dictatorship of Saudi Arabia, and its vast oil reserves. The Bushes and the Saudi royal family were and are close business partners, and Saddam, back in 1990, committed a royal blunder by getting a little too close to their wealthy holdings. Things went downhill for Saddam from there.
But it wasn't always that way. Saddam was our good friend and ally. We supported his regime. It wasnt the first time we had helped a murderer. We liked playing Dr. Frankenstein. We created a lot of monsters -- the Shah of Iran, Somoza of Nicaragua, Pinochet of Chile -- and then we expressed ignorance or shock when they ran amok and massacred people. We liked Saddam because he was willing to fight the Ayatollah. So we made sure that he got billions of dollars to purchase weapons. Weapons of mass destruction. That's right, he had them. We should know -- we gave them to him!
We allowed and encouraged American corporations to do business with Saddam in the 1980s. That's how he got chemical and biological agents so he could use them in chemical and biological weapons. Here's the list of some of the stuff we sent him (according to a 1994 U.S. Senate report): * Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax. * Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin. * Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs, brain, spinal cord, and heart. * Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs. * Clostridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing systemic illness. * Clostridium tetani, a highly toxigenic substance.
And here are some of the American corporations who helped to prop Saddam up by doing business with him: AT&T, Bechtel, Caterpillar, Dow Chemical, Dupont, Kodak, Hewlett-Packard, and IBM (for a full list of companies and descriptions of how they helped Saddam, click here.
We were so cozy with dear old Saddam that we decided to feed him satellite images so he could locate where the Iranian troops were. We pretty much knew how he would use the information, and sure enough, as soon as we sent him the spy photos, he gassed those troops. And we kept quiet. Because he was our friend, and the Iranians were the "enemy." A year after he first gassed the Iranians, we reestablished full diplomatic relations with him!
Later he gassed his own people, the Kurds. You would think that would force us to disassociate ourselves from him. Congress tried to impose economic sanctions on Saddam, but the Reagan White House quickly rejected that idea -- they wouldnt let anything derail their good buddy Saddam. We had a virtual love fest with this Frankenstein whom we (in part) created.
And, just like the mythical Frankenstein, Saddam eventually spun out of control. He would no longer do what he was told by his master. Saddam had to be caught. And now that he has been brought back from the wilderness, perhaps he will have something to say about his creators. Maybe we can learn something... interesting. Maybe Don Rumsfeld could smile and shake Saddam's hand again. Just like he did when he went to see him in 1983 (click here to see the photo).
Maybe we never would have been in the situation we're in if Rumsfeld, Bush, Sr., and company hadn't been so excited back in the 80s about their friendly monster in the desert.
Meanwhile, anybody know where the guy is who killed 3,000 people on 9/11? Our other Frankenstein?? Maybe he's in a mouse hole.
So many of our little monsters, so little time before the next election.
Stay strong, Democratic candidates. Quit sounding like a bunch of wusses. These bastards sent us to war on a lie, the killing will not stop, the Arab world hates us with a passion, and we will pay for this out of our pockets for years to come. Nothing that happened today (or in the past 9 months) has made us ONE BIT safer in our post-9/11 world. Saddam was never a threat to our national security.
Only our desire to play Dr. Frankenstein dooms us all.
Yours,
Michael Moore www.michaelmoore.com
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To: SB00
America used to like Saddam. We LOVED Saddam. We funded him. We armed him. I hate liars and this pig is one lying POS.
If we were Saddams arms suppliers, how come the air force that bugged out for Iran in 1991 was comprised of MiGs instead of F-16s, the DHL plane was hit with Russian RPGs instead of stingers, and the Iraqi army was armed with AK-47s not M-16s. This BS has been propagated for years with no proof.
51
posted on
12/15/2003 7:29:28 AM PST
by
CaptRon
To: SB00
Why do Fascist,Socialist,Comie, Evil Dums continue to display their total ignorance. The old saying "Fools names,like fools faces are seen in public places", must have bee said to describe Dumocrats.
52
posted on
12/15/2003 7:29:31 AM PST
by
marty60
To: SB00
Come to think of it, if you would volunteer to hump your lard #ss over the mountains of Afganistan in an effort to find him you might come back looking like human being instead of Jabba.
53
posted on
12/15/2003 7:29:54 AM PST
by
fightu4it
(conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
To: SB00
An extra bowlful of stupid flakes with a glass of rant juice this AM for the liberal blivet.
54
posted on
12/15/2003 7:31:29 AM PST
by
N. Theknow
(Be a glowworm, a glowworm's never glum, cuz how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum.)
To: SB00
Michael Moore www.michaelmoore.com = The Mother of all Idiots.
55
posted on
12/15/2003 7:34:05 AM PST
by
N. Theknow
(Be a glowworm, a glowworm's never glum, cuz how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum.)
To: Nakatu X
. Do you have a link to refutations of those allegations? Would REALLY appreciate it--thanks! I don't have a link because I don't feel like searching for one, but at the time Iran was more dangerous to us. They had our soldiers hostage. We used Saddam.
After that, he eventually let his own power go to his head.
To: iceskater
I try to heed "barf alerts". Just skip the rant and scroll down to replies. Kudos to the those that have the stomach to read the whole thing.
To: Stephen Ritter
No, I'm just repeating what my friends said (they basically say the same thing that Michael Moore is repeating in the above tripe). I'm sure that it's all BS, but I'm having a hard time finding a refutation to Moore's claims and my friends' claims because Google searches only bring up left-wing wacko sites.
It'd be nice if someone could create a PDF debunking all these outrageous lies like one Freeper created that wonderful PDF debunking the completely false "Bush's Resume" that was circulating a few months ago.
58
posted on
12/15/2003 7:37:26 AM PST
by
Nataku X
(A six foot man is six feet tall. A six feet man is a six footed freak.)
To: SB00
Stay strong, Democratic candidates. Quit sounding like a bunch of wusses. These bastards sent us to war on a lie, the killing will not stop, the Arab world hates us with a passion, and we will pay for this out of our pockets for years to come. Nothing that happened today (or in the past 9 months) has made us ONE BIT safer in our post-9/11 world. Saddam was never a threat to our national security. I can't quite figure that paragraph out...
...they hate us with a passion...Saddam was never a threat...huh ?
59
posted on
12/15/2003 7:37:29 AM PST
by
in the Arena
(Richard Thomas Kastner - KIA - Phuoc Long, South Vietnam - 15 November 1969)
To: HEY4QDEMS
BWAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahaha!
60
posted on
12/15/2003 7:37:39 AM PST
by
4CJ
('Scots vie 4 tavern juices' - anagram by paulklenk, 22 Nov 2003)
To: concerned about politics
Makes sense. Thanks!
61
posted on
12/15/2003 7:38:42 AM PST
by
Nataku X
(A six foot man is six feet tall. A six feet man is a six footed freak.)
To: in the Arena
...they hate us with a passion...Saddam was never a threat...huh ? It would take a direct threat to the nation's Bic Mac supply to rouse that fat bastard to action! :)
To: SB00
This man is delusional.
63
posted on
12/15/2003 7:40:34 AM PST
by
Gritty
("We need to get the U.N. back in as quickly as possible to internationalize this"-hillary clinton)
To: Nakatu X
There were some interesting charts created by some international arms monitoring group that laid out %-wise the countries that supplied weapons to Iraq ... US was nowhere near the top ... I believe Germany was ...
To: Gritty
Quit sounding like a bunch of wussesThis, coming from the king of all wusses????? (with a P)
65
posted on
12/15/2003 7:43:59 AM PST
by
LisaMalia
(Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
To: isthisnickcool
Michael Moore has body odor.
66
posted on
12/15/2003 7:45:41 AM PST
by
YourAdHere
(Why are you reading this?)
To: concerned about politics
Man, he sure looked bad! But, at least he got a free dental exam today. That's something most Americans can't get. What is a "free" dental exam, anyway? Sadam's dental exam was not free. WE PAID FOR IT.
Cordially,
67
posted on
12/15/2003 7:47:02 AM PST
by
Diamond
To: Mr. Buzzcut
No doubt...he's a typical lefty...so miserable with his own life he has to push his opinion on everyone else to make himself feel worthwhile...and thus feels vindicated to continue in his slovenly behavior...
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posted on
12/15/2003 7:47:27 AM PST
by
in the Arena
(Richard Thomas Kastner - KIA - Phuoc Long, South Vietnam - 15 November 1969)
To: Mr. Buzzcut
Ah, so it wasn't the US like Moore claims, but Germany... surprise, surprise...
69
posted on
12/15/2003 7:47:59 AM PST
by
Nataku X
(A six foot man is six feet tall. A six feet man is a six footed freak.)
To: SB00
I wish we had formally declared war so that traitors like Michael Moore could be jailed for sedition. This guy is the poster-boy for leftwing Hollywood scum.
70
posted on
12/15/2003 7:51:08 AM PST
by
ohioman
To: SB00
Need moore cheese with that French whine! He must be really outraged that the French and Russians have been doing business with this monster in the last couple years. If he hates us he must really hate them??? Oh yeah, their communist so they are good, never mind.
Pray for W and Merry Christmas to Our Troops and Freepers
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posted on
12/15/2003 7:51:09 AM PST
by
bray
(The Wicked Witch of NY is Taking the Rats Down in Flames!)
To: SB00
At least he admits that his most favored friends are dictators.
72
posted on
12/15/2003 7:51:22 AM PST
by
Darksheare
(For the crimes of Heresy of thought, Heresy of word, and Heresy of deed, this tagline shall burn!)
To: Nakatu X
To: .cnI redruM
He thinks Saddam is "Wives and Children"?
What a joke.
I din't know Saddam was a woman.*snort*
May he be locked in his cubicle and be fodder for the Cubicle Ninja forever.
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posted on
12/15/2003 7:52:58 AM PST
by
Darksheare
(For the crimes of Heresy of thought, Heresy of word, and Heresy of deed, this tagline shall burn!)
To: The_Victor
"That would certainly explain all of his Soviet and French made hardware. What a dolt."
Excellent point. See http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPRTS_73-02.pdf. Throws this in the lefties' faces when they claim that the U.S. armed Saddam. No, you idiots, your fellow Commies and the peace loving French armed Saddam.
75
posted on
12/15/2003 7:53:35 AM PST
by
Avenger
To: Mr. Buzzcut
PERFECT! Thanks! Saved it! :o)
76
posted on
12/15/2003 7:54:45 AM PST
by
Nataku X
(A six foot man is six feet tall. A six feet man is a six footed freak.)
To: Nakatu X
First off, it's hard to prove a negative. Anyone can claim anything...but the burden is on the accuser to prove the claim. There is an interesting chart (search: Arming Saddam) that puts into perspective how much material support Saddam actually got from the US. Among the Western nations, the US was actually far down on the list.
The "we armed Iraq in the 1980's" is a constant excuse used by the Left to argue against war with Saddam. While Saddam did get limited military suppport, most of what he got during the Iraq/Iran war was intelligence infomation. In fact, the evidence of this was the Gulf War in 1991. Just how many US made aircraft did you see fighting against our troops? How many US made tanks did you see? Their troops were using AK-47s, and their tanks were Soviet TU-type tanks. It wasn't F-Fighters that we found buried in the Iraq dessert...or that were moved to Iran before the Gulf War; it was Mirage and Migs. Seriously...think about that. We also armed Stalin during WWII with the Lend-Lease Act but that didn't preclude us from engaging in a Cold War, immediately after WWII ended.
And this crap about giving Saddam Bio/Chemical "weapons" is a lie as well. Saddam never got "weaponized" nerve agents or biological agents from the USA. Everything he got from us was a cooperative (UN and Western nations) effort to help Iraq deal with the rampant spread of contagious diseases and viruses that were killing his people. While this did include biological samples of viruses, this was a standard practice with the ATCC (American Type Culture Collection) and other medical institutions as they sent samples to medical researchers around the world...so they could develop immunizing agents to battle these diseases.
This was especially of interest for Baghdad University (who made the request) as they appealed to the UN, CDC and WHO for help in controlling the spread of Brucellosis, Diptheria, Hepatits, Cholera, TB and any number of contagious diseases. It's unfortunate, but in order to find a cure (or immunize) for a disease, the medical researcher usually needs a sample of the live virus. This is a far cry, however, from the claims of "weaponized" materials being sent to Saddam.
Much of these so-called "chemicals" were also based on the same principal of fighting disease...which included Chlorines and pesticides that could be used in agriculture and in water treatment facilities to contain the spread of disease. Before the concern over bio/chem warfare, these were common practices that medical researchers egaged in world wide. Saddam never got instructions from the US on how to weaponize these agents. That he got from the USSR, as they not only instructed Saddam on the process, they contributed the entire weaponized component.
In hindsight this was obviously a stupid thing, but it was not illegal...and if it was, the Senate Banking Committee, who actually investigated these charges, would've brought charges against those who participated. While they did acknowledge material transfers to Iraq, nothing was done outside the law. Unfortunately, this was all the ammunition the left needed to accuse the US of arming Saddam with bio/chem weapons. There is a great article the debunks this myth and explains the details in these tranfers. And even though anthrax was a part of these transfers, these transfers had been occuring since the late 1960's and was common practice within the medical community, before the fear of bio/chem warfare.
Unfortunately, nowadays, anyone can turn chlorine and pesticide into a gas bomb...and fertilizer into a explosive device. This is a far cry, however, from the Sarin and Mustard Gas that was used by Saddam on the Kurds. And the USA never gave Saddam these nerve agents. You wouldn't know that, though, from reading the accusations of others.
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posted on
12/15/2003 7:55:05 AM PST
by
cwb
To: Diamond
What is a "free" dental exam, anyway? Sadam's dental exam was not free. WE PAID FOR IT. Look how many Democrats have cable, a computer, and pay for internet access - yet they can't pay for their own medicals? It's not that they can't. They simply choose not to!
To: SB00; Nakatu X
Congress tried to impose economic sanctions on Saddam, but the Reagan White House quickly rejected that idea -- they wouldnt let anything derail their good buddy Saddam. I researched this lie the last time a leftist tried it on another forum. Here is my reply:
>In response to the gassing, sweeping sanctions
>were unanimously passed by the US Senate that
>would have denied Iraq access to most US
>technology. The measure was vetoed by Bush.
That would be a really neat trick, since Bush was only
the Vice President at the time -- since when did VP's
gain veto power?
Are you sure you know what the f**k you're talking about?
The *real* history of the bill (S2763, the Pell Bill)
is that the Senate passed it on 9/9/88, handed it over
to the House on 9/13/88, which referred it to the
House Committee on Foreign Affairs (same day), which
passed the ball to the House Committee on Ways and Means
(still same day). The HCWM pondered it for a few days,
then on 9/28/88 bounced it back to the Senate with a formal
rejection via H.Res. 552, which, according to the
official summary:
Expresses the opinion of the House of Representatives
that S. 2763, which imposes sanctions and calls for
United Nations action against Iraq, contravenes the U.S.
Constitution and is an infringement of the privileges
of the House. Returns such bill to the Senate.
In other words, they reminded the Senate that it's a
violation of the separations of powers for Congress
to urge the UN to do anything -- that's the job of
the Executive branch (i.e., the President). The
sticking point was the following provision in S2763:
Requests the Secretary of State to bring before
the United Nations Security Council the matter of
Iraq's use of poison gas against its own nationals
and to demand that measures be taken against Iraq for
its repeated use of chemical weapons.
[official legislative summary]
But there were other problematic provisions as well, like
requiring the U.S. Executive Director to vote against all
loans to Iraq. Again, as the name implies, the "Executive
Director" is part of the Executive branch of government,
and he takes his orders only from the President.
In short the Senate got carried away in the heat of the
moment and tried to overstep their constitutional bounds.
The House of Representatives said, "think again..."
So no, "Bush" didn't veto it (he was the Vice President
at the time, you dolt.)
Neither did Reagan. Read this if you don't believe me,
it's a complete list of every Presidential veto
(including pocket vetoes) since 1981:
http://www.house.gov/burton/RSC/PresidentialVetoes.PDF
See any vetoes there about Iraqi sanctions? For S2763?
Any vetoes of bills sponsored by Sen. Pell? I didn't think
so.
Next time get your facts straight before you try to tell
us "exactly" what happened.
Rather than just remove the unconstitutional sections,
the Senate tossed the matter to the Subcommittee on
International Development Institutions and Finance
on 10/1/88, which made a lateral pass to the
Subcommittee on International Finance, Trade and Monetary
Policy (same day), where it apparently faded away because
that's the end of the Congressional paper trail on it.
Presumably they figured it was rendered moot,
because by then Reagan had stepped up to the plate
and did (from his position at the top of the
Executive branch) what the Congress was trying to
do in the first place, which was to kick the UN in
the rump and get them involved in the matter.
As a 1/12/89 Houston Chronicle article put it:
"Iraq's use of chemical weapons against Iran and
Iraq's Kurdish minority - graphic pictures of
peasants killed in Iranian villages heightened
concerns last year - provided a somber backdrop
for the conference, which was formally proposed
by President Reagan at the United Nations in
September."
The chemical weapons conference was held in Paris
and brought together 149 nations which hammered
out a declaration and signed it.
"The six-point declaration affirms the U.N.
role in investigating chemical weapons use and
called for a strengthening of existing procedures
at the United Nations in dealing with such
use - a reference to enacting sanctions."
And:
"Arab nations said they wanted to reserve
the right to possess chemical weapons to
counter what they claim is a nuclear threat
from Israel."
(That was voted down.) And as long as we're
looking for nations to scapegoat:
"The Iraqis have powerful friends. Both the
Soviet Union and France, the conference host,
supplied the Iraqi armed forces with conventional
weapons, while Arab states gave Iraq vital
diplomatic, military and financial support
in the war. A West German concern is said to
have furnished Iraq with its chemical-arms plant."
So... I thought you said that "looking the
other way" was, in your words, "exactly" what
the US did when Saddam gassed the Kurds.
You're "exactly" wrong. The Senate went apes**t,
Reagan personally brought the world together to
deal with Iraq (the UN, unfortunately, ended up
being as wishy-washy as usual) and related chemical
weapons threats (Libya became a hot topic). As I
browsed the Houston Chronicle archives for 1988-1989
in order to verify my memory on this stuff I ran
across a *s**tload* of constant articles all through
late 1988 and *all* of 1989 which chronicled the US's
continuing hard line against Iraq and unfading outrage
over the chemical weapon attacks. You couldn't be
more wrong when you try to disgustingly imply that
it was "business as usual" for us -- it's no
exaggeration whatsoever to say that the gassing
of the Kurds was the last straw for US-Iraq relations;
they had already been shaky during the last few years
of the Iran-Iraq war, when Iraq seemed the lesser
of two evils, but the Kurd gassing caused all the
fence-sitters to go leaping off in unison. There's
not a single favorable, or even neutral, article
about Iraq any time past the gassings. There's not
a single bit of "business as usual" -- every single
article has the same "we don't trust those bastards
as far as we can throw them, what are they up to
and what are they hiding" tone that articles today
have. The business sections were full of mention of
broken trade deals with Iraq. And this was *before*
the invasion of Kuwait.
Taking a hard line against Iraq was one of the
elder Bush's campaign planks:
He said the verification system of such an
agreement "will be an enormously difficult task.
But the alternative is far worse to contemplate.
We must outlaw these weapons, once and for all.
Nothing less is acceptable."
Bush also cited the human horror of chemical warfare
demonstrated recently in the Iran-Iraq war. "I thought
we had banished forever what we all saw only a few months
ago: a mother trying to protect her child, waving her
arms against the invisible winds of death - chemical
weapons."
Bush said nations that engage in chemical warfare
should face severe international sanctions, but he
did not spell out exactly what they should be.
-- 10/22/88
So in short, you're talking out of your *ss.
Is that the best you've got? An error-filled string
of false innuendo? Where's the alleged evidence
for your moronic insistence that the US kneeled
down and kissed Saddam's *ss for oil?
To: SB00
Why even give an idiot free FreeRepublic exposure to thousands of people who would not ever look at his website?
Any idiot can say stupid things - but do we promote their stupid, ignorant views to the whole world?
I know, I know - we have to know what the enemy is doing. Sean Hannity continually allows any insane democrat to spread their filth through his show all across the nation. They therefore get FREE promotion by a conservative. How utterly slick for the dems.
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posted on
12/15/2003 7:57:12 AM PST
by
ClancyJ
(It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
To: fightu4it
I will never forget the most outrageous column Michael Moore wrote after 9/11. He could not believe that planes heading for California would be hijacked by terrorists to hit buildings in New York City.
He could not believe that the terrorists would make victims out of two states that voted for Gore
To me this is absolute proof that people on the left like Moore are delusional. They think Republicans/conservative are the real evildoers and they think lunatic Islamists would distinguish between Republican and Democrat in their muderous rampages.
81
posted on
12/15/2003 7:57:42 AM PST
by
GWB00
To: Stephen Ritter
Steve, been to any Burger Kings lately?
/ joke.
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posted on
12/15/2003 7:57:49 AM PST
by
Darksheare
(For the crimes of Heresy of thought, Heresy of word, and Heresy of deed, this tagline shall burn!)
To: SB00
What a fat pig! I'd like to have him out behind the barn for 10 minutes!
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posted on
12/15/2003 7:59:30 AM PST
by
vladog
To: cwboelter
"There is a great article the debunks this myth and explains the details in these tranfers."
Could you give us a link to the article?
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posted on
12/15/2003 8:00:20 AM PST
by
Avenger
To: SB00
That's how he got chemical and biological agents so he could use them in chemical and biological weapons. Here's the list of some of the stuff we sent him (according to a 1994 U.S. Senate report): * Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax. * Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin. * Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs, brain, spinal cord, and heart. * Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs. * Clostridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing systemic illness. * Clostridium tetani, a highly toxigenic substance.I'd like to see this in print. On the net, on an official web site, would also do. I have a feeling Moore is twisting things somehow.
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posted on
12/15/2003 8:00:29 AM PST
by
Lazamataz
(A poem, by Lazamataz: "What do we do with Saddam, Now that we gottim?")
To: cwboelter
That is perfect... had zero doubt that the supplied chemical weapons was nothing more than a total lie but couldn't find the basis of that lie... saved your response in a text file. Thank you so much.
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posted on
12/15/2003 8:01:02 AM PST
by
Nataku X
(A six foot man is six feet tall. A six feet man is a six footed freak.)
To: cwboelter
And this crap about giving Saddam Bio/Chemical "weapons" is a lie as well. Saddam never got "weaponized" nerve agents or biological agents from the USA. Everything he got from us was a cooperative (UN and Western nations) effort to help Iraq deal with the rampant spread of contagious diseases and viruses that were killing his people. While this did include biological samples of viruses, this was a standard practice with the ATCC (American Type Culture Collection) and other medical institutions as they sent samples to medical researchers around the world...so they could develop immunizing agents to battle these diseases.I knew it.
Everything Michael Moore writes is a lie, including the words "and" and "the".
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posted on
12/15/2003 8:02:23 AM PST
by
Lazamataz
(A poem, by Lazamataz: "What do we do with Saddam, Now that we gottim?")
To: Lazamataz
Here's one thread where I'm proudly posting without reading the article. Why on earth would any logical thinking person waste his or her time on anything produced by this unappetizing person? He is insignificant.
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posted on
12/15/2003 8:02:58 AM PST
by
cjshapi
To: Nakatu X
What's most important is to understand the simplicity of Moore's "thinking" (typical of the Angry Left).
We who believe in "good vs. evil" are always accused of wrongly seeing things as "black and white".
Decisions made 20 years ago to supply a nasty person with weapons have to be viewed in the context they were made in.
Was helping the Mujahedeen (sp.?) a bad idea because one of them grew up to be bin Laden? Well, to those of us alive and aware in 1980 the answer is a resounding "No". If you view this relationship outside the context of the Cold War then you are likely to have a different, and wrong, opinion.
Same with our relationship with Hussein's Iraq. If you were paying attention in 1979, you realize the menace Iran posed to that region.
No one with a realistic worldview expects to find lillywhite, pure as the wind driven snow actors to side withagainst a common enemy.
Oddly, the greatest and most tragic example of this was FDR and Stalin, an unholy alliance the Left seems to have forgotten.
To: Nakatu X
What's most important is to understand the simplicity of Moore's "thinking" (typical of the Angry Left).
We who believe in "good vs. evil" are always accused of wrongly seeing things as "black and white".
Decisions made 20 years ago to supply a nasty person with weapons have to be viewed in the context they were made in.
Was helping the Mujahedeen (sp.?) a bad idea because one of them grew up to be bin Laden? Well, to those of us alive and aware in 1980 the answer is a resounding "No". If you view this relationship outside the context of the Cold War then you are likely to have a different, and wrong, opinion.
Same with our relationship with Hussein's Iraq. If you were paying attention in 1979, you realize the menace Iran posed to that region.
No one with a realistic worldview expects to find lillywhite, pure as the wind driven snow actors to side withagainst a common enemy.
Oddly, the greatest and most tragic example of this was FDR and Stalin, an unholy alliance the Left seems to have forgotten.
To: SB00
I can't bring myself to read his crap but I will use this opportunity to tell you of one of my thoughts as I watched Saddams capture. I prayed that when they cleaned him up and shaved him they would find Michael Moore...
91
posted on
12/15/2003 8:04:42 AM PST
by
tubebender
(We've been married 47 years and she still doesn't put the toilet seat up for me...)
To: Nakatu X
I shut a liberal up when he started that stuff about Saddam being a former friend. I ask him who was our best ally in this war was? He said Britian. I reminded him we fought 2 wars against Britian. Then I asked him who was most against us now in Europe? He said France. I reminded him France was our best ally against Britian in one of those wars. He got the worst look on his face & never said another word.
92
posted on
12/15/2003 8:07:34 AM PST
by
Ditter
To: Ditter
And, along with the UK, who was our biggest ally in WWII?
To: tubebender
I can't bring myself to read his crap but I will use this opportunity to tell you of one of my thoughts as I watched Saddams capture. I prayed that when they cleaned him up and shaved him they would find Michael Moore... hahaaha
Saddam is much better looking!
To: Ichneumon
Amazing--now Moore's lies have been 100% refuted--saved your post. The left are liars to the core. Thank you so much!
95
posted on
12/15/2003 8:10:47 AM PST
by
Nataku X
(A six foot man is six feet tall. A six feet man is a six footed freak.)
To: Ichneumon
Amazing--now Moore's lies have been 100% refuted--saved your post. The left are liars to the core. Thank you so much!
96
posted on
12/15/2003 8:10:47 AM PST
by
Nataku X
(A six foot man is six feet tall. A six feet man is a six footed freak.)
To: prairiebreeze
"Please, somebody do the world a huge favor and put Moore into a spider hole and seal it up. Permanently. "
Wow. I read that...and then I read your tagline that says "Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.". Wishing for some harmless, idiotic loudmouth like Moore to be killed isn't very Christian. As Repubs, we should rise above the vitriole of the maniacal left, rather than join their anti-life wishes.
Besides, wouldn't it be more fun to see Moore roundly laughed at and discredited publicly, rather than locked away forever?
97
posted on
12/15/2003 8:12:09 AM PST
by
Blzbba
To: SB00; Joy Angela; conservogirl; Ragtime Cowgirl; Alamo-Girl; PhilDragoo; risk; sport
NEVER FORGET
MICHAEL MOORE =
America's SADDAM HUSSSEIN
NEVER FORGET
98
posted on
12/15/2003 8:13:11 AM PST
by
ALOHA RONNIE
(Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)
To: SB00
Meanwhile, anybody know where the guy is who killed 3,000 people on 9/11? Our other Frankenstein?? Maybe he's in a mouse hole. No, Mike, at least we don't yet know where he is. I noticed you didn't mention any of these people in your filthy diatribe:

Or these people:

Or this person:

But, as you've already noticed, the man responsible for THIS, well, "We Got Him"! You Jacka$$.
Hat-Trick
99
posted on
12/15/2003 8:13:13 AM PST
by
Hat-Trick
(Do you trust a government that does not trust you with guns?)
To: Avenger
I actually saved the text, without the link, to my e-mail box (Webtv). I think you can find it by Googling "ATCC"...were one of the researchers actually wrote the article. It took me a couple weeks to put the stuff together from different sources, including a letter from the World Health Organization, that responded to the health crisis in Iraq and how these transfers were for medical reasons. I'll still try to find the link, but its out there if you dig.
PS. There is a big difference between a live virus and a weaponized agent. It takes a lot of money and research to stabilize that virus...and prepare it for use as a weapon. Anthrax, in its natural form, is practically useless as a wide-range weapon and must be specially prepared if it is to be used as a WMD. This is not an easy process and takes a lot of money and know-how. The USA NEVER gave Saddam instructions on how to weaponize these agents.
100
posted on
12/15/2003 8:13:17 AM PST
by
cwb
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