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Phoenix: Is this what we want in our city (The effects of illegals)
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Posted on 12/15/2003 11:03:47 AM PST by hsmomx3

Something I often see missing in the news about illegal immigrants, is what they bring to America. We all know about the financial drain on health care, and welfare, but what about the culture shock to American citizens?

Have you seen how some of our cities are looking lately? Illegals are coming over in such great numbers that we are starting to live in their cultural standards.

My neighborhood is now filled with people that think the front yard is a parking lot, and that standing in the front yard drinking Bud Light and partying after work is OK.

Businesses that fold because of declining neighborhoods are reemerging as dollar stores, check cashing marts, taco stands, or something that totally caters to Hispanics.

Loitering day labors are a terrible eye sore in our communities, but the police do nothing to stop it. If our own citizens would take the initiative and call the police something might get done.

The social and visual impact is frustrating to our citizens. How can we have a sense of class, or dignity when we look around at our environment and see nothing but trash and poverty?

Look at the poles while driving down the streets. They are covered in Hispanic graffiti. There’s hardly a pole untouched in the city of Phoenix. If you don’t see it take your blinders off.

Those who are selling out the people of America for cheap labor, will themselves ultimately suffer the blight that it has brought us all.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; biggovernment; criminals; culturalwar; deport; deportnow; foreignoccupation; illegals; illlegalmexican; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion; mexicanghettos; nannystate; noborders; plunder; theft; thenannystate; thewelfarestate; welfarestate; westerncivilzation
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1 posted on 12/15/2003 11:03:47 AM PST by hsmomx3
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To: hsmomx3
I drove downtown about 6 months ago, admittedly I don't get out of the East Valley much...I was shocked at the shanty apartment houses, etc. All visible as I pulled off the exit.
2 posted on 12/15/2003 11:06:35 AM PST by riri
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To: hsmomx3
Aside from the Hispanic graffiti, isn't this what West Virginia looks like?

:-)
3 posted on 12/15/2003 11:06:45 AM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: hsmomx3
Phoenix has welfare programs that attract welfare brats.

And jobs.
4 posted on 12/15/2003 11:07:41 AM PST by vto
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To: hsmomx3
My neighborhood is now filled with people that think the front yard is a parking lot, and that standing in the front yard drinking Bud Light and partying after work is OK.

Businesses that fold because of declining neighborhoods are reemerging as dollar stores, check cashing marts, taco stands, or something that totally caters to Hispanics.

And unfortunately, it's just the tip of the iceberg.

And looking at what the Bush administration and his home land security chief stated last week, it wont be getting better, as their actions will only give the green light for millions more to enter illegally.

My only suggestion would be to try at all cost, to leave large cities and suburbs. As that is, without a doubt, where the overall majority of illegals are headed..If you can't do that, good luck...

5 posted on 12/15/2003 11:13:00 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: hsmomx3
This is disturbing -

THE PRESIDENT: "Well, first of all, I have constantly said that we need to have a immigration policy THAT HELPS MATCH ANY WILLING EMPLOYER WITH ANY WILLING EMPLOYEE. It makes sense that that policy go forward. And we're in the process of working that through now so I can make a recommendation to the Congress."

"Let me also clarify something. This administration is firmly against blanket amnesty."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/
6 posted on 12/15/2003 11:13:13 AM PST by Weimdog
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To: hsmomx3
My neighborhood is now filled with people that think the front yard is a parking lot, and that standing in the front yard drinking Bud Light and partying after work is OK.

Bud Light?

At least when I pass out in my yard, it's from drinking Heineken

7 posted on 12/15/2003 11:16:18 AM PST by WackyKat
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To: hsmomx3
Let the companies keep outsourcing to India and China and see how long it is before Americans cross over the border into Mexico in search of work.
8 posted on 12/15/2003 11:16:43 AM PST by fso301
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To: riri
Phil Gordon thinks downtown is wonderful as do other well connected individuals which is why they want to spend so much of our money to "improve" it. I will not nor do I have a desire to go downtown. I haven't been there in 14 years.
9 posted on 12/15/2003 11:18:55 AM PST by hsmomx3 (Want higher taxes? Don't move to Arizona.)
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To: fso301
That's part of the big problem. As we move more towards a service economy in these cities, that's the draw. Employers don't want to pay American's a livable, higher wage, when there is an endless line of cheap labor, that will work for near nothing. It's a vicious circle.....
10 posted on 12/15/2003 11:20:12 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..
You should see the neighborhoods in the Highland Park area of LA. Aside from the other squalor living conditions, people hang clothes for sale on the chain link fences in front of their houses, turn their front lawns and any empty lot into a bazaar by putting their "wares" on the ground, and sell food from carts (including flaming grills). This is the same type of open-air bazaar I saw when I lived in Turkmenistan. If I was a shop owner who had to buy a business license, follow other ordinances, pay for rent & utilities I would be pretty upset by these squatters setting up shop in front of their house or on the street corners.
11 posted on 12/15/2003 11:22:49 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: hsmomx3
Phil Gordon thinks downtown is wonderful as do other well connected individuals

Yeah, if you wear blinders until you are safely inside your destination.

They think it is so wonderful, I bet none of them reside there or send their kids to school there.

12 posted on 12/15/2003 11:22:55 AM PST by riri
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"And unfortunately, it's just the tip of the iceberg."

How many cities in California has this happened to? Dozens!!

13 posted on 12/15/2003 11:23:37 AM PST by international american
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To: gubamyster
It should be clear to anyone that the government has no intention of stopping this madness.

That's is why I stated, the only thing one can do is attempt to get out of large cities and the surrounding suburbs. There is no doubt the direction most will be headed..

14 posted on 12/15/2003 11:26:57 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Incorrigible
Aside from the Hispanic graffiti, isn't this what West Virginia looks like?

Alas, WV has trees.

15 posted on 12/15/2003 11:30:48 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: hsmomx3
Those who are selling out the people of America for cheap labor, will themselves ultimately suffer the blight that it has brought us all.

The sellouts who are turning the US into the Brazil of the north and think we are a shopping mall in constant need of cheap labor will not suffer any consequences. Those types will live in gated communities or move out of the country completely when the ship goes down.

16 posted on 12/15/2003 11:32:54 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: WackyKat
I agree. Anybody who drinks Bud Lite deserves whatever he gets.
17 posted on 12/15/2003 11:33:11 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Wait until you see what's happened in the rural areas and small towns, and quite far away from the borders, too. Suburbs might be better off than the cities and rural.
18 posted on 12/15/2003 11:37:23 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: hsmomx3
taco stands, or something that totally caters to Hispanics.

Thank god for plenty of good 24-hour taco stands!

19 posted on 12/15/2003 11:37:58 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield (TANSTAAFL)
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To: international american
How many cities in California has this happened to? Dozens!!

Yep. And throw in the cities of Raligh North Carolina, Atlanta, Phoenix, Denver, Houston, Dallas, Portland Oregon, cities in Tennessee, Salt Lake city, Chicago, and on and on.

It's very sad, but this is where most cities and their surrounding suburbs are heading. Bet the rent. If one want's to live with boom boxes of Spanish music, lots of drinking, trash, busted up cars, high crime, etc fine. Otherwise, have a plan of getting out of the big cities, and the suburbs...

This is the only way one will be able to escape most of it. That is unless one has big time money, and can live in gated, wealthy secured communities.....Even then, one has to go out into it daily. Not a real good option.

20 posted on 12/15/2003 11:38:32 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: hsmomx3
Many Americans who happen to be Mexican also DO NOT like the decline of neighborhoods, trashy cars in they yard, increased crime, etc. I went to school with many American Mexicans and they were the MOST vocal against the illegals...
21 posted on 12/15/2003 11:42:54 AM PST by FeliciaCat
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"and can live in gated, wealthy secured communities.....Even then, one has to go out into it daily. Not a real good option."

Self imposed prison sentence:) Some option!! The politicians have no will to stop this. I'm afraid the battle is already lost, and our culture will be destroyed.

22 posted on 12/15/2003 11:43:41 AM PST by international american
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To: hsmomx3
Apparently this person has never seen poor people before. The only difference between this behavior and the behavior of American poor people for the last few decades is the accent. They stand around outside getting drunk, they don't clean anything, they cover the landscape in graffiti. Nothing new under the sun except some people suddenly noticed when the poor people in question weren't speaking English.
23 posted on 12/15/2003 11:44:23 AM PST by discostu (that's a waste of a perfectly good white boy)
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To: gubamyster
A lot of L.A. looks like tj now. It's a shame to say but it will never be the same (or better) again.
24 posted on 12/15/2003 11:44:47 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Bush and Co. are quickly convincing me that the Constitution Party is our only hope.)
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To: hsmomx3
If control of our cities is what we want, we have the capability. If control of our borders is what we want we have the capability. All we have to do is make more noise than the liberal opposition, somebody will pay attention.

The solution, however, is NEVER run away in defeat. Don't like the illegals transforming the city into the land they abandoned? Take it back!! Make their lives more miserable everytime they setup one of these "open air" junk and puke markets they're so fond of. If that's the type of commerce environment they want, help them move back to Mexico, or instruct them on the right way to lease space in a flea market or strip mall. But, DO NOT just abandon the city in defeat.

Unless your city isn't very important to you.
25 posted on 12/15/2003 11:46:54 AM PST by DustyMoment
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To: Mamzelle
Wait until you see what's happened in the rural areas and small towns, and quite far away from the borders, too. Suburbs might be better off than the cities and rural.

Uh, we have a place in rural, and in the burbs surrounding the big cities. There is no comparison. Never will be. At least we will never see it.

Literally hundreds of thousands, with literally millions more are pouring into the major population centers. This is a simple fact. This does not even include some other factors involving large numbers, which I don't want to bring up. I'm sure you can figure it out. Just go down to your major hospital ER for a clue.

26 posted on 12/15/2003 11:51:31 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: hsmomx3
Phoenix is one butt ugly city to begin with.
27 posted on 12/15/2003 11:55:55 AM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: gubamyster
G, it doesn't even dawn on them they need a license for a garage/yard sale...so if citizenship is irrelevant, they sure won't give a hoot about their little 'bazaar's'
28 posted on 12/15/2003 12:00:18 PM PST by JustPiper (Teach the Children to fight Liberalism ! They will be voting in 2008 !!!)
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To: hsmomx3
My neighborhood is now filled with people that think the front yard is a parking lot, and that standing in the front yard drinking Bud Light and partying after work is OK.

Businesses that fold because of declining neighborhoods are reemerging as dollar stores, check cashing marts, taco stands, or somethingthat totally caters to Hispanics.

These sound to me to be soccer mom complaints. Add a bait shop next to the tamale stand, and you have something close to heaven.

29 posted on 12/15/2003 12:03:54 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy.)
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To: Clemenza
Phoenix is one butt ugly city to begin with.

It wasn't when I lived there back in the eighties, it was a beautiful city, and the suburbs we're even nicer. I was thinking of moving back but by the sound of things it's deteriorating quickly.

30 posted on 12/15/2003 12:08:09 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Clemenza
Phoenix is one butt ugly city to begin with.

Whoa! Nothing left to the imagination in that comment!

Sounds like my brother-in-law, who referred to Phoenix as the Ash Tray of the World.

31 posted on 12/15/2003 12:10:02 PM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's Grace. Come home when the job's done. We'll be here.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I started doing this yesterday.
I found all the email addressess of the local, and state, tv stations, newspapers, senators, and representatives. Also OReilly, Lou Dobbs and the President. I am going to get Ridge and any one else I can think of.

I started forwarding all the newspaper articles, on illegals, to all of the above. Then I forwarded it, with all of the above addressess to all my friends, to have them do the same thing. I realize that emails are not as affective as faxes, but I do not have a fax machine.

I think if a lot of people did this, we can expand our base of grassroot activists.

I figured if I did all the address gathering, any one I forwarded this email to, would not have any excuse not to forward it on. I sent out 4 news stories to each and every one them yesterday, and they will get that many today, or more. What do you think of this idea?
32 posted on 12/15/2003 12:10:20 PM PST by calawah98
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
There are still enclaves that are pretty nice...Northern Ave. between 15th and 7th Aves., ummmm....well, that pretty much covers it. Unless you head out to the suburbs, say, Bell Rd. and 183rd Avenue, or Apache Junction, or Goodyear, or Ahwatukee.

My folks have live at 63rd Ave. and Thomas for over 30 years. At one time that was a nice area, but it's gang-land heaven right now.
33 posted on 12/15/2003 12:14:29 PM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's Grace. Come home when the job's done. We'll be here.)
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To: Clemenza
Hah! I grew up in New York and outside of midtown and downtown Manhattan, I didn't see a lot of civic beauty.
34 posted on 12/15/2003 12:25:31 PM PST by edwords
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To: hsmomx3
My neighborhood is now filled with people that think . . . that standing in the front yard drinking Bud Light and partying after work is OK.

You mean it's not?


35 posted on 12/15/2003 12:25:47 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: HiJinx
For a while I lived right in the heart of Phoenix then got an apartment off of Indian School Road outside of Scottsdale. It's Tempe I heard that has really gone down hill, if true that's a shame because what's happening is totally preventable.
36 posted on 12/15/2003 12:26:01 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: calawah98
What do you think of this idea?

Try it. I wish you the best of luck.

I'm out of idea's. That's why our plan is to move about 100 miles away from the cities and burbs....Close enough to go there if need be, but not live there.

We've come to the final conclusion, life is just too short.

37 posted on 12/15/2003 12:30:41 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: JustPiper
G, it doesn't even dawn on them they need a license for a garage/yard sale...so if citizenship is irrelevant, they sure won't give a hoot about their little 'bazaar's'

I know it doesn't occur to the "front-lawn shopkeepers", but if I owned a legitimate business, I would be pissed. The City of LA has been cracking down on businesses that do not have a business license, also restaurants must get a rating (A, B, C..) from the city. I don't know why all business owners in these neighborhoods don't call their councilman & complain that they have to pay for permits, licenses, rent, utilities... while someone next door is selling the same merchandise off their chain-link fence.

38 posted on 12/15/2003 12:30:48 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: international american
international american writes:
Self imposed prison sentence:) Some option!! The politicians have no will to stop this. I'm afraid the battle is already lost, and our culture will be destroyed

I, too, despair that the cultural/ethnic battle already _has been_ lost, at least for some portions of the country.

Other, small, isolated portions may be able to retain their "traditional" (read: white European) American culture and ethnicity. What will probably save these locales is their relative UNattractiveness to the alien hordes that are currently invading our nation.

Could the current trends be reversed? Yes. But they will not be. The political "costs" of doing so are too radical, too draconian.

For, the only way to truly reverse the damage being caused by illegals is to forcibly IDENTIFY, BRAND, and EXPEL them.

Illegals, aus!

Now isn't that line (which we have heard before) a bit too hard for most of the dear readers of this forum to swallow?

I didn't think you were ready to do that.

And this is exactly why we are doomed.

Cheers!
- John

39 posted on 12/15/2003 12:39:03 PM PST by Fishrrman
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To: calawah98
"What do you think of this idea?"

It's a good start - only by making our anger/concern over the illegals will anything get done. Politicians all are afraid of losing the next election & if enough of us let them know that nothing short of deporting the criminals (illegals) will do to get our votes, maybe we can solve this problem.
No deportation - no justice!
40 posted on 12/15/2003 12:39:06 PM PST by familyofman
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To: discostu
when the poor people in question weren't speaking English

I think the bigger issue that Americans resent is the fact that we're forced to pay all the bills for people who aren't even citizens. It's bad enough having to support welfare for U.S. citizens, let alone being forced to support Mexico too.

The entitlements to illegals MUST be stopped before the next 10 million come.

41 posted on 12/15/2003 12:39:27 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Xenalyte
Interesting image.

Did you ever notice how Hollywood always twists things and portrays the white guys as southern dummies or weak ignorant losers?

Can you imagine the howl and outrage if instead of the "Simpson's" it was the "Sanchez's". Or if that image you posted was filled with illegals that were constantly mocked?

Wonder how long these shows would last?

42 posted on 12/15/2003 12:40:27 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: hsmomx3
Bump and thanks for the post.
43 posted on 12/15/2003 12:40:37 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: Fishrrman
Could the current trends be reversed? Yes. But they will not be. The political "costs" of doing so are too radical, too draconian.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid you are correct.....What a shame...

44 posted on 12/15/2003 12:44:12 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: international american
How many cities in California has this happened to? Dozens

I can name at least a dozen in southern California alone. It's unbelievable what this state is turning into, Mexican colonias like Tijuana.

45 posted on 12/15/2003 12:47:54 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen
It's interesting how few of these people complained about the entitlements until they started going to illegals. This could be really good for the country in the long run, a whole new section of society is learning that welfare is a failed system and bad idea.
46 posted on 12/15/2003 12:48:25 PM PST by discostu (that's a waste of a perfectly good white boy)
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To: international american
How many cities in California has this happened to?

All of them!

47 posted on 12/15/2003 12:50:26 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: calawah98
I call, fax and e-mail everyone in Washington about the mess in California, along with the state officials here. Don't know if it does any good, but I keep trying.
48 posted on 12/15/2003 12:50:35 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: HiJinx
My neighborhood went Hispanic about three years ago. A couple years ago a punk who lives nextdoor said,"whatch your back whitey we outnumber you now".

That weekend I invited some of my Harley buddies over and we did burnouts in the driveway,which is right by their house. We finally quit about one in the morning. Now my neighbors just smile and wave when they see me.
49 posted on 12/15/2003 12:51:02 PM PST by deadeye2
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To: janetgreen
The entitlements to illegals MUST be stopped before the next 10 million come.

It's our OWN 'citizens' that are producing; not the next 10; but the next 30; non-productive, resource sucking, WIC seduced, instituitionalized, subsidized parasites that our GOVERNMENT WANTS to arrive in the next generation.


"You get what you subsidize."


50 posted on 12/15/2003 12:52:19 PM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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