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CAMPAIGN CASH RACE TURNS INTERNATIONAL
DrudeReport.com ^ | 12-15-2003 | Drudge

Posted on 12/15/2003 1:50:41 PM PST by jtminton

CAMPAIGN CASH RACE TURNS INTERNATIONAL; MOVEON.ORG CENTER OF INTRIGUE; CLARK SEEKS CANADIAN SUPPORT, WEBSITE SHOWS

Frustrated with the lack of domestic support, left-leaning website moveon.org has apparently been reaching beyond American borders to generate cash revenue over the Internet!

The provocative international fundraising strategy threatens to embroil the presidential candidacy of General Wesley Clark and former Vermont Governor Howard Dean. Both men are named on international fundraising websites suggesting donations to moveon.org...

Moveon.org, which has been running ads critical of the Bush Administration, has named an "International Campaigns Director."

It is not clear how much money has been raised from foreign sources, but political websites from London to Portugal have been directing their citizens to stop the American president George Bush by donating to moveon.org.


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Is this legal?
1 posted on 12/15/2003 1:50:42 PM PST by jtminton
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To: jtminton
I believe that it is in fact HIGHLY illegal, and restated as such in the CFR act. I'm concerned that Drudge wouldn't address that - he drops the ball way too often.

I'd love it if someone could provide documentary proof though. I have quite a few places I'd love to post this little nugget of info.

Qwinn
2 posted on 12/15/2003 1:52:47 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: jtminton
Is this story real?
3 posted on 12/15/2003 1:53:17 PM PST by RebelBanker (Deo Vindice)
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To: jtminton
What was it Algore said about no controlling legal authority? Who will be the controlling legal authority in this mess?
4 posted on 12/15/2003 1:56:11 PM PST by GrandmaPatriot
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Kucinich?
5 posted on 12/15/2003 1:56:14 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: jtminton
Federal Campaign law prohibits campaigns from accepting foreign donations.
6 posted on 12/15/2003 1:57:54 PM PST by CWW (Dean has a maniacal smile because he is secretly wearing ladies underwear!!)
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To: Qwinn
It may be perfectly legal under the 527 rules. I'm not precisely sure. The 527 is not technically a corporation, which is how it skirts the soft money and advertising bans in the first place.

If they're taking foreign donations, it's disgraceful. This is the race for an American president - if they can't win without the support of Americans, why bother?
7 posted on 12/15/2003 1:58:05 PM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: CWW
That's to a candidate. This is a separate voter fund.
8 posted on 12/15/2003 1:58:34 PM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: jtminton
No surprise. Clark and Ditzy Dean are anti-American.
9 posted on 12/15/2003 1:59:26 PM PST by clintonh8r (Excuse me while I take a DUmp.)
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To: Qwinn
Is it illegal when the funds have been laundered via MoveOn.org?
10 posted on 12/15/2003 2:00:01 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they?)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Ping
11 posted on 12/15/2003 2:01:20 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they?)
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To: Qwinn
Are you sure about that? I wonder if that applies to 527 organizations? This is one of the reasons the Dems wanted this - to get around the disclosure laws. We need to find this out. Make you wonder about Hillie's new organization. Certainly quite a bit of NGO money is international.

What is really amazing here is that the left see nothing at all wrong with this.

12 posted on 12/15/2003 2:01:53 PM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: Qwinn
Wonder if all this money couldn't be confiscated if it were proved that drug money was donated to the fund? They confiscate cars, houses etc.
13 posted on 12/15/2003 2:01:55 PM PST by IceAge
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To: jtminton
Maybe two months ago someone posted here an article from Sweden (?), where they urged donations to MoveOn to influence the American election.
14 posted on 12/15/2003 2:02:34 PM PST by Shermy
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To: jtminton
International campandering by the Limocrats but we shouldn’t dare question their patriotism. Go figure.
15 posted on 12/15/2003 2:02:59 PM PST by tractorman
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To: jtminton
I went to moveon.org, but couldn't find anything about international donations. Then again, I couldn't stomach staying there too long.
16 posted on 12/15/2003 2:03:09 PM PST by jtminton (2Timothy 4:2)
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To: jtminton
Eli Pariser
international campaigns director
Moveon.org
eli@moveon.org
17 posted on 12/15/2003 2:04:39 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: tractorman
http://canadafordean.org/
18 posted on 12/15/2003 2:06:18 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jtminton
I always thought it was illegal for foreigners to contribute to candidates running for office in the USA. I suppose there is a way around this if the contribution is to some entity not directly connected the the candidate. It will be interesting to see how much play this gets in the main stream media. I would guess not much.
19 posted on 12/15/2003 2:06:57 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: CyberCowboy777
You're right, MoveOn may constitute a "laundry service" under the new laws. Abominable if so, and Bush should make a HUGE campaign issue out of it. It'll drive the Left insane that their patriotism is being questioned, but so what? It SHOULD be.

Qwinn
20 posted on 12/15/2003 2:08:01 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: jtminton
Whoah, folks!

I don't see it at drudgereport.com

21 posted on 12/15/2003 2:08:40 PM PST by familyop (Essayons - motto of good, stable psychotics with a purpose)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Indie; farmfriend; Maria S; TheGrimReaper; Eaker; Flyer; dix; humblegunner; bobbyd; ...
PING your ping lists.

We need to reform our campaign contribution system now, before the next presidential election.

This type of abuse by corporations, non-governmental and otherwise, is exactly the reason that our politicians do not listen to the citizens when making policy decisions.This is why we keep creeping closer and closer to socialism. This is why we have no border security. This is the reason your congressman sends you insulting letters when you write to him about these concerning issues. For too many years they have been bought and paid for by corporate interests, not individual citizens and the rights of individual citizens have suffered because of it.

Now we have suspected since the Clinton administration got so cozy with China, and now there is proof, that international corporations and unfriendly foreign interests are using our electoral system to systematically destroy our freedom and elect politicians friendly toward socialism and global corporate consolidation.

We must change our system of political donations now to shut out these subversive influences and give power back to individual citizens. If you've never done anything before, you must do something now! A petition, phonecalls, people with connections to congress, we need legislation that restores the power to elect to the citizens of this country and remove the influence of the internationalists from our elections.
22 posted on 12/15/2003 2:09:07 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: jtminton
I wonder. . .

If Saddam donated some of that $750,000 to the Dean campaign through moveon.org using US currency, is it considered a foreign donation?
23 posted on 12/15/2003 2:09:22 PM PST by jtminton (2Timothy 4:2)
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To: familyop
It's right on the top in big bold letters. At least it should be.
24 posted on 12/15/2003 2:10:56 PM PST by jtminton (2Timothy 4:2)
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To: Uncle Hal
Methinks it's time for an IRS audit of moveon.org

http://www.irs.gov/irs/article/0,,id=106778,00.html

As well as a FEC investigation:

http://www.fec.gov/fecig/contact.htm

25 posted on 12/15/2003 2:11:31 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
Did you see you can register to vote on that site..
26 posted on 12/15/2003 2:11:47 PM PST by Dog (First question to Saddam..........Where is Scott Speicher??)
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To: familyop
Frustrated with the lack of domestic support, left-leaning website moveon.org has apparently been reaching beyond American borders to generate cash revenue over the Internet!

The provocative international fundraising strategy threatens to embroil the presidential candidacies of General Wesley Clark and former Vermont Governor Howard Dean. Both men are named on international fundraising websites suggesting donations to moveon.org.

Moveon.org, which has been running ads critical of the Bush Administration, has named an "International Campaigns Director."

It is not clear how much money has been raised from foreign sources, but political websites from London to Portugal have been directing their citizens to stop the American president George Bush by donating to moveon.org.


CAMPAIGN CASH RACE TURNS INTERNATIONAL; MOVEON.ORG CENTER OF INTRIGUE; CLARK SEEKS CANADIAN SUPPORT, WEBSITE SHOWS

http://www.drudgereport.com/
27 posted on 12/15/2003 2:11:57 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Uncle Hal
Foreign money can me used, and it is untracable. They can only use the money for campaign ads if the donor's name is submitted to the FEC. Other than that they can do anything they want with it. This bill is so distructive to democracy. I just makes me shiver.
28 posted on 12/15/2003 2:12:12 PM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: jtminton
http://www.canadaforclark.com/donate.html

Canadians:

Non-Americans can't, by law, give money to any particular candidate's campaign. But we can support pro-democracy, progressive American organizations like MoveOn.org, which do their best to spread the ugly truth about Bush and publicize the Democratic message. Click here to donate to MoveOn.org.

29 posted on 12/15/2003 2:14:30 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jtminton
Is this legal?


Check out this. Gore's Hands of Stone (interesting info concerning MoveOn.org
30 posted on 12/15/2003 2:15:44 PM PST by jrushing
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To: Qwinn
Abosolutly.

Using foreign monies to fund a US Presidential race is lower than a snakes belly.

Of course I cannot make an issue of using foreign monies to fund a US Presidential race 60 days before an election with a TV ad.

Wouldn't want to corrupt the process.

31 posted on 12/15/2003 2:16:22 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they?)
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To: jimbo123
Sounds like they are using the 527 rules.
32 posted on 12/15/2003 2:16:27 PM PST by Dog (First question to Saddam..........Where is Scott Speicher??)
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To: Uncle Hal
The 527s are easily moldable due to their relationship to the FEC and IRS - both bodies that can make administrative rules. If moveon.org is doing what I think they are and funneling foreign donors to the 527 groups, the IRS can make a determination that those funds violate the 527 status.
33 posted on 12/15/2003 2:17:12 PM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: jrushing
This could be legal....
34 posted on 12/15/2003 2:17:21 PM PST by Dog (First question to Saddam..........Where is Scott Speicher??)
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To: CasearianDaoist
Certainly quite a bit of NGO money is international.

NGOs are perfect laundering fronts used for criminal repatriation and also to fund terrorism (e.g., Islamic "charities").

I once worked in country with 450 NGOs, nearly half were thought to be laundering through 22 known banks that were providing a hand.

Here's how it works: you start your "NGO", then you create "projects", then you hire "consultants", and finally you send big fat checks back to your home country (the scene of the crime).

All you need is a foreign bank to accept the cash deposits from your "generous donors."

35 posted on 12/15/2003 2:17:37 PM PST by angkor
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To: jtminton
Quick research result. Eli Pariser, age 22, is the international campaigns director.
36 posted on 12/15/2003 2:18:57 PM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: jtminton


Eli Pariser, Int'l Campaigns Director
37 posted on 12/15/2003 2:20:00 PM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: July 4th
527 can take foreign money.
38 posted on 12/15/2003 2:20:15 PM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: jrushing
Non-Americans can't, by law, give money to any particular candidate's campaign. But we can support pro-democracy, progressive American organizations like MoveOn.org, which do their best to spread the ugly truth about Bush and publicize the Democratic message. Click here to donate to MoveOn.org.

This is slick......they make clear it is not legal....but if you want to help defeat Bush please donate to Movon.org.

Slick.

39 posted on 12/15/2003 2:21:03 PM PST by Dog (First question to Saddam..........Where is Scott Speicher??)
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To: CasearianDaoist
Yes, but I'm saying that if there is enough outcry, it's not difficult to change. The IRS alone might be able to do it.
40 posted on 12/15/2003 2:21:33 PM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: jtminton
With John Kerry going on Sean Hannity's show todya and the connection (media friendship) between Hannity and Drudge, this has the fingerprints of Kerry's campaign on it.

This is going to get ugly and the Clintons and Bush reelection team are loving it!
41 posted on 12/15/2003 2:22:00 PM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: jtminton
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON DEC 15, 2003 20:42:05 ET XXXXX

CAMPAIGN CASH RACE TURNS INTERNATIONAL; MOVEON.ORG CENTER OF INTRIGUE; CLARK SEEKS CANADIAN SUPPORT, WEBSITE SHOWS

**Exclusive**

Frustrated with the lack of domestic support, left-leaning website MoveOn.org has apparently been reaching beyond American borders to generate cash revenue over the internet!

The provocative international fundraising strategy threatens to embroil the presidential candidacies of General Wesley Clark and former Vermont Governor Howard Dean. Both men are named on international fundraising websites suggesting donations to MoveOn.org.

MoveOn.org, which has been running ads critical of the Bush Administration, has named an "International Campaigns Director," the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

It is not clear how much money has been raised -- to date-- from foreign sources, but political websites from London to Portugal to Montreal are directing their citizens to stop the American president George Bush by donating to MoveOn.org!

Wesley Clark's official campaign website has been offering a link to "Canada For Clark", which in turn advises Canadians: "Non-Americans can't by law, give money to any particular candidate's campaign. But we can support pro-democracy, progressive American organizations like MoveOn.org, which do their best to spread the ugly truth about Bush and publicize the Democratic message. Click here to donate to MoveOn.org."

The top traffic referrer to CanadaForClark.com Is Clark' s Official Campaign Website. http://clark04.com/grassroots/.

Dean04Worldwide.com is a noncommercial and volunteer website offered by Corinne Sinclair, a non-US citizen, based in London. Domain registration information indicates the website name servers are owned by PromoHosting.com, a website hosting service based in Portugal. Dean04Worldwide.com encourages non-Americans across the global to help Dean win the 2004 election.

A notice on the website explains how to provide funds to MoveOn.org, since non-Americans cannot donate directly to the Dean campaign.

Late last week, a Swedish website removed an "EU-MoveOn.org Fundraising Appeal," claiming MoveOn.org "No Longer Accepts Contributions From Non US Citizens/Permanent Resident Aliens."

Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore, who has been headlining moveone.org events, is said to have vocalized serious concerns about the website accepting cash from foreign sources, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"To avoid even the appearance of impropriety, we are not going to take contributions from overseas," Wes Boyd, one of the founders of MoveOn.org, explained this weekend.

Boyd refused to disclose how much revenue had already been generated from overseas sources.

Developing...
42 posted on 12/15/2003 2:24:26 PM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: jtminton; Qwinn; RebelBanker; GrandmaPatriot; yonif; CWW; July 4th; clintonh8r; CyberCowboy777; ...
It's not there, people! Did any of you try following the link to the Drudge Report?

http://drudgereport.com/

It's still Saddam news. And Drudge caches his news links, BTW.
And if the link was really there and is said to have disappeared, check out the moveon.org site to see if it's there.
43 posted on 12/15/2003 2:25:33 PM PST by familyop (Essayons - motto of good, stable psychotics with a purpose)
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To: familyop
Look at #42. Right off Drudge's website.
44 posted on 12/15/2003 2:26:26 PM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: truthandlife
The full Drudge article makes it seem like the practice may be over. But that doesn't mean we can let up. If moveon.org keeps their international donations, they should be completely discredited.
45 posted on 12/15/2003 2:27:16 PM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: familyop
Maybe you need to refresh? I can see it. That's weird.
46 posted on 12/15/2003 2:29:00 PM PST by jtminton (2Timothy 4:2)
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To: truthandlife
If you go to moveon.org's site, you now have to check a "US Citizen" box to donate. Hmmm...I wonder how new that box is.
47 posted on 12/15/2003 2:29:45 PM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: truthandlife


Al Gore soliciting funds for moveon.org
48 posted on 12/15/2003 2:30:12 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: July 4th
If you go to moveon.org's site, you now have to check a "US Citizen" box to donate. Hmmm...I wonder how new that box is.

Would be interesting to know.

49 posted on 12/15/2003 2:30:53 PM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: hedgetrimmer
Foreign money from organized worldwide crime (known as the ICS- International Crime Syndicate) is likely being supplied to moveon.org, alledgedly at the behoof of Chillary from Soros.

The Dems play the game well, and noticed the success of FR. They are using like tactics, spending money on Internet resources to capture the minds of the American public.

50 posted on 12/15/2003 2:31:06 PM PST by UCANSEE2 ("Duty is ours, Results are God's" --John Quincy Adams)
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