Pastor Leads Christian Movement Opposing Homosexual Agenda in NC Schools

American Family Association ^ | December 15, 2003 | Jim Brown

[Kuksool]

Here's one piece of good news coming from one school district.

[Kuksool]

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

[WackyKat]

include "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" in the district's nondiscrimination policy

So the Rev. Baity supports discrimination against gay students.

I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

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[templar]

I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?

Yes.

And if you need the quotes from Jesus or the Bible condemning homosexuality as evil, you aren't qualified to be posting about it. Look it up for yourself.

BTW, Jesus never condoned being a drunk, prostitute or criminal. Quite the opposite.

[WackyKat]

I'm quite familiar with the New Testament, thank you

If you think Jesus would condone the persecution of gay teenagers, you don't understand His teachings at all

[little jeremiah]

Reverend Baity is standing up for and speaking the truth, Wacky! Since homosexuality is a behavior, not a group "identity", and the behavior is not values neutral, and is condemned in every monotheistic religion in the world as unnatural, immoral, and medical science proves it is unhealthy and spreads all manner of disease, there is every reason not to promote it. Rather, it is is a kind and charitable act to call it what it is, and help young people avoid falling for the pro-homosexual propaganda.

When Jesus associated with the lowly, such as prostitutes and criminals, he told them to change their ways! And as far as the sick, he healed them in body and even more important, in spirit. As far as the poor, he told them to lay up riches in Heaven. I don't know why you're lumping "poor and sick" in with "prostitutes and criminals".

Jesus never tolerated sinful or immoral behavior. He told people to clean up their act, and to turn their love to God, and live a godly life.

It looks as though Rev. Baity is attempting to follow in Jesus Christ's footsteps, rather than offend him by promoting or "celebrating" immoral sex acts under the banner of "tolerance" like so many other CINO reverends and other members of the clergy (shall we say Episcopalian?).

[templar]

f you think Jesus would condone the persecution of gay teenagers, you don't understand His teachings at all

How does persecution enter into simply putting a stop to the promotion of homosexuality?

I'm quite sure that you are familiar with the New Testament. Could you please explain it here in relation to promoting the gay agenda in public shcool? Perhaps those of us less familiar would like to know how you have come to believe that Jesus would promote acceptance and tolerance of homosexuality, an abomination and a mortal sin? You got your chance now, so go to town, it should be interesting.

[little jeremiah]

If you think Jesus would condone the persecution of gay teenagers,

This statement contains several misconceptions.

1. Most teenagers that you call "gay" are confused. Many, with some therapy, guidance, or even the opportunity to hear about basic moral teachings, would eschew sexual immorality. Many of these so-called "outreach" organizations are reaching out to "gay, lesbian, transgendered, bisexual, straight and QUESTIONING teens". Why "questioning", one may ask? Answer: because many teenagers have doubts or questions about their own sexualtiy, due to a sexually libertine atmosphere, unhealthy doses of sexually explicit material seen before they've reached the age of reason, broken families, drug and alcohol use that has diminished their reasoning capacity, and last but not least, a lot of them have been sexually abused or seduced, often by older homosexuals.

So these "outreach" organizations (such as the one in Vermont, which I will post a link to) are obvious tools with which to recruit confused kids into the ranks of homosexuals.

2. "Gay" teenagers are not being persecuted. This is a fiction. All kids taunt and tease each other, but so-called "gay" teenagers are not taunted any more than any other. Additionally, sometimes the ones identifying as "gay" bring it upon themselves by cross-dressing or other bizarre behavior - often to shock, or bring upon themselves attention or reaction. I'd say kids trying to pray or wearing religious insignia have been vicitmized more often.

3. Jesus told the adulteress to "sin no more". And that she was forgiven. But the "sin no more" was first. It's called "tough love".

[WackyKat]

And if you need the quotes from Jesus or the Bible condemning homosexuality as evil

I'll be happy to answer your questions as soon as you cite for me the Gospel verse in which Jesus discusses homosexuality.

I'm waiting

[little jeremiah]

Link to article discussing the "gay activists" promoting homosexuality in schools:

http://www.afa.net/journal/december/coverstory.asp

[little jeremiah]

I think we all know that there is no record of Jesus Christ's teaching anything about same sex acts. Obviously the Four Gospels do not have everything that Jesus ever spoke. He did condemn sexual immorality in general, especially adultery. He also adhered to the morality as taught in the Old Testament. So anyone who is not disingenuous knows that Jesus would not be promoting homosexuality. It's up to you (O Wacky one) to show us how Jesus accepted same sex behavior as morally acceptable.

[little jeremiah]

P.S. Jesus also did not address partial birth abortions, cannibalism, sado-masochism, putting Jews in ovens, "swingers clubs", bestiality, or numerous other sinful or criminal acts. Does that mean that because he didn't mention them that he approved?

That is the sum and substance of your argument, by the way.

[scripter]

I'll be happy to answer your questions as soon as you cite for me the Gospel verse in which Jesus discusses homosexuality.

There's a couple of different angles with which to tackle this. And past experience tells me you don't really want to talk about it, but I'll ask the most direct question, anyway: Do you happen to know any verse where Jesus discussed sex outside of marriage? You know, such as where Jesus said go and sin no more? That verse tends to take the air (and that's all thats in your argument) right out of any argument regarding what Jesus said about all sex outside of marriage. Hint

[scripter]

You're doing a good job, lj. Don't forget to ping the Homosexual Agenda bump/ping list, as a lot of folks use that to find articles.

[templar]

I'm waiting

If you were as familiar with the gosppel as you claim, you wouldn't be asking. Homosexuals go to hell, as the NT said (that's right, the NT said it and you'd know it if you have the familiarity with the NT as you claim). Jesus quite plainly said that not a tittle or jot would pass from the law and the law quite plainly condems homosexuality. Now, quit the sophistry game , it won't work with me.

Get a bible and study it and you may find your beliefs to be in error on this subject.

Don't expect any more posts from me. I don't involve myself in debates with those who have no qualifications on the subject, which you seem to be insisting on demonstrating.

[little jeremiah]

See post #5 - didn't I do it? I pinged the ping list, how do I ping/bump the ping/bump list? (getting scared, out of my depth now!!) :-(

[WackyKat]

You're the one who said that the Jesus condemned homosexuality

I'm not surprised that you're running away in embarrassment since it's obvious you don't know the scriptures as well as you claim to and have been proven wrong

[scripter]

You're doing fine - and sorry, that was supposed to be a private freepmail (I'm beat). Just insert *Homosexual Agenda to the front of each ping and you'll ping the index, which is different from the categorical index which gets updated quarterly. Of course you can ping the index anywhere in the ping list, but putting it in front lets everybody know the index has been pinged. Click the link I listed and you'll see what I mean.