Posted on 12/16/2003 1:15:09 PM PST by PeaRidge
It didn't even take 40 posts.
Bravo Sierra.
Mr. Case is charged with providing for his HOGS, not himself, as evidenced by the statement that it was 'a great trouble to feed them'. He plants potatoes for the HOGS, who will root the potatoes themselves, 'saving not only the labor of feeding the hogs, but also that of digging the potatoes'.
Nowhere does he allude to Mr. Case planting potatoes for himself. Lincoln was alluding to the former slaves, not to Southen planters.
When if comes to bovine excrement then who better than you should know?
President Lincoln was responding to Mr. Hunter, a member of the so-called 'peace commission'. Mr. Hunter wasn't concerned with the freed slaves. It is obvious by his concern about the ruin of southern society. His fear that work would not get done, crops wouldn't be cultivated. His fear was the loss of his chattel, the workforce that did the cultivating in the first place. Those were the hogs that had to root or die, the hogs that had to face a future where they did the work, they did the cultivating, they didn't have their slaves to fall back on. President Lincoln was addressing Mr. Hunter's concerns when he made his statement, so his remarks were obviously addressed to the white hogs, not any black ones.
Thank you. After seeing much of what is written by your side, I do consider myself to be an expert.
His fear was the loss of his chattel, the workforce that did the cultivating in the first place. Those were the hogs that had to root or die, the hogs that had to face a future where they did the work, they did the cultivating, they didn't have their slaves to fall back on.
Well, which one does the cultivating?
Maybe slavery was the WMD issue of the 19th century. Of course, regardless of the instigating cause, the confederates fought for independence. All you need to do is explain why independence is such a grotesque evil that it had to be stopped at the cost of a million American lives. Ready... set... GO!
Seems like there's usually sort of an unwritten rule of 60 posts before we actually begin refighting the WBTS. It's only polite to allow everyone to do their pinging, gather their armies, close ranks, and line up their strategies.
You are really resorting to revisionism to use a source like Lincoln's Yarns and Stories, by Colonel Alexander K. McClure. Couldn't you find a reliable source?
But then of course if you did, you would have to post the truth, which is:
"A Constitutional View of the Late War between the States," Alexander Stephens , 1870, Philadelphia: National Publishing Co.:
"When asked by Confederate Vice President Alexander Stepehens at the 1865 Hampton Roads 'peace' conference what would become of the freedmen without property or education, Lincoln sarcastically recited the words to a popular minstrel song, 'root, hog or die.'"
So, the popular emancipator was talking not about the working class Southern farmers, but specifically the slave class that would be forced into extreme poverty and starvation if the Southern economy was destroyed.
The slaves, of course. And what were they cultivating? Cotton, tobacco, rice, all the products that made the rich white planters rich white planters. So now the white population had to root in their own fields, or die trying. Their chattel was no longer there to do their bidding.
Nice try yourself, Pea. The story as related gives the tale in context. You persist in quoting a single line. So you take your version and I'll go along with the complete story in context. I wouldn't expect you to accept it, since it doesn't meet with your approved view of the president. Now, of course, if there is another version giving the whole conversation other than the one I posted then by all means bring it out and we can compare the two.
I would suggest that he is responding to the lack of concern for the slaves as evidenced by the so-called 'peace commissioners'. It is plain where their interests lay.
Yeah, all we need to do is drink the confederate kookaid and say "It was all Lincoln's fault" and all would be right with the world. Does that about sum it up?
And it didn't your side more than 14 posts to commence the name calling, which seems to be y'alls preferred (and only) method of debate.
btw is it Y'alls or all Y'alls ? I'm not that fluent in sothron...
Republican National Platform Adopted at Chicago 1860 (excerpts)
Resolved, That we, the delegated representatives of the Republican electors of the United States, in Convention assembled, in discharge of the duty we owe to our constituents and our country, unite in the following declarations:
3. That to the Union of the States this nation owes its unprecedented increase in population, its surprising development of material resources, its rapid augmentation of wealth, its happiness at home and its honor abroad.
12. That, while providing revenue for the support of the General Government by duties upon imports, sound policy requires such an adjustment of these imposts as to encourage the development of the industrial interest of the whole country; and we commend that policy of national exchanges which secures to the working men liberal wages, to agriculture remunerative prices, to mechanics and manufactures an adequate reward for their skill, labor, and enterprise, and to the nation commercial prosperity and independence.
15. That appropriations by Congress for River and Harbor improvements of a National character, required for the accommodation and security of an existing commerce, are authorized by the Constitution, and justified by the obligations of Government to protect the lives and property of its citizens.
16. That a Railroad to the Pacific Ocean is imperatively demanded by the interest of the whole country; that the Federal Government ought to render immediate and efficient aid in its construction; and that, as preliminary thereto, a daily Overland Mail should be promptly established.
The internal improvements were to be paid with by public funds. Many of these developments were subsidies for industry. The Republican Party wanted to continue support of protectionist laws to favor the country’s industry, which was primarily located in the Northeast.
Since US Customs tariff revenue supplied more than 90% of the government’s annual revenue, these government-sponsored improvements were underwritten with tariff dollars, which were being paid by those who were buying imported goods.
With Southern supplied goods paying for 70% of the imports that were taxed, Southern productivity was fundamental to Northern infrastructure improvements.
At that time, the average tariff was 18.84%. The previous year Justin Morrill, R-VT, had emerged as the Republican Party’s leading authority on tariffs. After the current Congress convened on December 5, 1859, word spread that Morrill was proposing raising tariffs to the 40% level. Many Southerners realized this would harm the Southern economy and bankrupt many farmers and planters.
The 1860 tariff plank enjoyed a central and prominent place in the party's platform. Delegates at the convention cheered at length for its openly protectionist message when the plank was adopted. Throughout the campaign Republicans carried banners making it known that a vote for them was a vote for protection.
Lincoln himself had already openly admitted his core protectionist beliefs and in February 1861 even pledged to make the tariff his top legislative priority.
The equal protection afforded all the states under the US Constitution was being ignored in favor of the protectionism and largess being given to the Northern states. That preferential treatment and the failure of Constitutional protections caused the secession, but war came for different reasons.
For the sake of argument, would you be so kind to point out the "name"?
btw is it Y'alls or all Y'alls ? I'm not that fluent in sothron...
"All y'alls" is redundant.
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