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Catholic Citizens of Illinois ^ | 12-16-03 | Barbara Kralis

Posted on 12/17/2003 7:59:15 PM PST by JesusThroughMary

The Pill From Hell 12/17/2003 7:29:00 PM By Barbara Kralis - CCI News

Today, December 16, 2003, is an important day in the United States. After listening to numerous pro life doctors, bioethicists and leaders warn of the dangers of allowing the abortifacient pill "Plan B" to be sold over the counter, the U.S. advisory panel to the FDA voted to recommend allowing the "morning after" contraceptive pill to be sold without a prescription. The pill is intended for use by women within 72 hours after sexual intercourse to prevent pregnancy.

It's incredulous how these US advisors for the FDA could have made such an evil decision after having listened to the good Judie Brown, President of American Life League, testify that "these high doses of artificial hormones can and do terminate the lives of human beings after their lives have begun at conception/fertilization; these pills are dangerous for women, particularly adolescent women, and the damage to family life would be severe. Emergency contraception is not contraception...the Food and Drug Administration has a moral and ethical responsibility to assure, to the best of its ability, the health and welfare of every member of the human family. "

The USCCB read a statement before the advisory panel as well, saying that changing the abortion pill's status to an over-the-counter drug prevents any medical oversight that otherwise would be provided for by doctors and sends "the message that the drug is not medically or morally controversial." As the USCCB points out, such access, "may also increase risk-taking behavior and promiscuity," further endangering health and exposure to sexually transmitted diseases.

Illinois Leader's editorial team member Jill Stanek, testifying against the over-the-counter sale of these drugs said, "As a registered nurse, I have seen for myself the devastation when young girls have been sexually abused by older men," Stanek said while waiting for her plane to take off on Monday. "If these drugs are made available over the counter, criminal rapists and sexual abusers will be able to cover their crimes and continue their behavior. This is the point I will be making at the hearing tomorrow."

The 23-4 vote came after the advisers heard presentations from health experts, the companies and public testimony from both supporters and opponents of making Plan B available over the counter. Dr. David Hager, one of the four panel members who voted against the recommendation, said, "What we heard today was frequently about individuals who did not want to take responsibility for their actions and wanted a medication to relieve those consequences." Hager added that he worried the expanded availability of Plan B would have an effect similar to the birth control pill, which he said brought "a new day and age for the expression of sexuality among young people" (New York Times, 12/17).

Because this abortifacient drug is an experimental drug, what happens to the human baby who survive this murderous attack? Aren't women tired of the constant medical assaults and experiments being made upon their bodies and their babies by so-called doctors and pharmaceutical companies? Numerous documentations have been submitted to the FDA showing the treacherous assault this poisonous pill inflicts upon the 'mother' as well as murdering her human baby. Memories of Dr. Josef Mengele come to mind, the infamous doctor of Auschwitz, commonly referred to as the "Angel of Death" who was indicted by the Frankfort Court for crimes against humanity for experimentation, medical atrocities, dissection, decompression chambers, lethal injections and selection inflicted especially on human twin children. One can not help but wonder what kind of a person could ever consider doing things so horrible, much less carry them out. Who could ever kill an innocent child by injecting chloroform into their heart, causing the blood to coagulate and kill the child. Who could ever imagine sewing a set of twins together to try and make siamese twins? These acts just seem to be out of the human realm. Really? Our U.S. government, yielding to pressure from women's groups and giving them what they want, is not so different than Dr. Mengele.

Were these twenty-three FDA appointed advisors not listening? How could they so easily refute the scientific and medical facts regarding this murderous, evil drug? Why were these truths so unintelligible to the FDA's advisory panel? It's because these Godless people, knowing well that what they do is wrong, still, perversely, reject these moral teaching (teachings that they have had written in their hearts since God created them in womb) and because the sinful will reject the moral teaching of Christ and His Church. Those who commit these sinful acts don't really think that what they do is good; they tell themselves that what they do is excused. Secular humanism.

Seeing things as God sees them, with the eyes of eternity, Pope John Paul II has said often: "This is the supremacy of the strong over the weak. If we continue to promote contraceptives, civilization will revert to barbarism."

Today reminds me of another time, not so long ago, of the horrific actions that our U.S. President Clinton committed just moments after the world famous speech that Mother Teresa gave before the President and US Congressmen, senators, State Heads and other dignitaries on February 3, 1994.

It was the annual National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C., held at the elegant Shorham Hotel. Although the participants were mainly Christians, the event is always inter-religious and open to adherents of all faiths. Hundreds of our government's brightest, sans pareil, were in attendance. This was a time in our nation when the culture of death was promoted by the highest levels of government.

By the grace of God my husband and I saw this hour long event live on CSpan. We will never forget the demeanor of that saintly, tiny, consecrated nun nor her memorable address that rocked an audience of powerful politicians. Mother Teresa, always so humble, so wise, graciously refused the invitation to sit on the dais with President Clinton and Hillary, VP Gore and his wife and with many other 'distinguished' politicians, where so-called 'honorary' seating is always reserved for the event's keynote speaker. Mother preferred to remain hidden behind the stage, without the benefit of having had anything to eat.

When they introduced Mother, then age 83, to come to the podium, she humbly approached from behind a large heavy curtain backdrop behind the dais. In her simple white linen sari trimmed in blue, which cost $l in India, this holy diminutive nun was barely visible to the several hundred in the audience over the top of the podium. I thought of the scripture verse: "For all who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted." (Lk. 14:10a, 11)

Mother Teresa didn't care that in America it's not PC to criticize the President and VP about their policies of killing babies in their mother's wombs...she didn't care that she might shock the nation's leaders and take on the 'culture of death' in Washington, D.C..... she spoke as Jesus would expect any faithful follower to speak. "The greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion. Abortion never solves problems, it just leads to more abortion," the living saint said. For Mother Teresa, who devoted her life to the succor of the sick, the outcast, the lonely, the unwanted, earthly opinions meant nothing to her. She spoke without notes and pleaded for America to save the babies, not throw them away, "Please don't destroy the child; we will take the child." Her entire address is given below.

Many in this audience were caught up in the historic moment with sustained applause. They gave her three thunderous ovations. Mother Teresa dared to say what no one there dared to say. Most gave her three thunderous ovations, but, President Clinton and Vice President Gore & their wives did not. They just sat there, unresponsive, in stony silence. No American President and First Lady had ever been more vocally pro-abortion than Bill and Hillary. Our President and Vice President clearly resented Mother Teresa and hated even more her warning message. (A VHS copy of this event can be purchased from C-SPAN.)

Immediately following this incredibly powerful speech by Mother Teresa, Clinton takes the podium and spoke briefly, praised the founder of the Missionaries of Charity, but did not directly respond to her statements on abortion. Instead, he thanked her for her "moving words and, more importantly, for the lifetime of commitment" that he said she had "truly lived."

"If Christ said we would all be judged by how we treated the least of these -- the hungry, the thirsty, the naked, the strangers, the imprisoned -- how can we meet that test in a town where we all spend so much time obsessed with ourselves and how we stand on the totem pole and how we look in the morning paper?" Clinton said. "It is important to reaffirm that in this nation where we have freedom of religion, we need not seek freedom from religion." Quoting from Professor Stephen Carter's book, "The Culture of Disbelief," the President stated that "we should all seek to know and to do God's will, even when we differ." What hypocrisy!

Here is something that few people know about, because only small mention of it was made anywhere in the World newspapers the next day. Incredulously, this is a factual account.

Clinton closed the meeting, and, get this, this terrible man then walked outside and crossed the street to the World Population Planning committee and signed a U.S. Presidential commitment to spend in the next year of l995, $500 million dollars of American taxpayers' money to International Planned Parenthood for abortion facilities in Third World countries, with the stipulation that if these third world countries did not accept these abortion facilities of Planned Parenthood into their nation's cities, the U.S. would withhold all monies promised to them to feed their hungry and clothe their poor. Incredible. Did Clinton not listen to the profound warnings, pleas and admonitions just minutes before from Saintly Mother Teresa?

The Pope a day later exclaimed that Clinton and the United States was the 'most evil of all evil imperialisms in the world' and the Pope denounced Clinton's actions. Clinton, who said he wanted to be remembered most as "the abortion President" did exactly what he promised his Democratic party he would do and the world stood by and watched with barely a whimper, except for the Vatican's condemnation. Let us remember this when someone tells us they hope Hillary runs for President.

The comparison is too great not to be remembered. Today, December 16, 2003, great leaders in pro life movement gave factual testimony to the many reasons why the evil abortifacient "Morning After Pill" should not be allowed to be sold over the counter. Yet, within minutes, the FDA's advisory panel proclaims that they've OK'd the Pill to be sold over the counter. Were these government people not listening to the profound medical and scientific warnings and admonitions just minutes before? "If we continue to promote contraceptives, civilization will revert to barbarism," said John Paul II.

The greatest sin of the world, said Pius XII, is the "sin of the century." "The sin of the century," the Holy Father told a catechetical congress meeting in the United States in 1946, "is the loss of the sense of sin" (Pius XII, Radio Address to the United States Catechetical Congress held in Boston [26 Oct., 1946: AAS Discorsi e Radiomessaggi, VIII (1946), 288] ).

Mother Teresa died of a heart attack on September 5, l997, on the Feast of 'Mary, Queen of the Apostles.' At the time of Mother Teresa's death, the Sisters of the Missionaries of Charity numbered 3,914 members and were established in 594 communities in 123 countries of the world. Today, those numbers have greatly increased. Mother was elevated to Beautification as Blessed Teresa of Calcutta by Pope John Paul II in Rome on World Mission Sunday, October 19, 2003.

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Barbara Kralis is a writer/editor from Howe, Tx. She and her husband, Mitch, co-direct the Jesus Through Mary Foundation. Barbara is also a member of the Catholic Media Coalition.

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National Prayer Breakfast Address, February 3, l994, By MOTHER TERESA, MC (Missionaries of Charity)

On the last day, Jesus will say to those at his right hand,

"Come, enter the Kingdom. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was sick and you visited me."

Then Jesus will turn to those on his left hand and say,

"Depart from me because I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was thirsty and you did not give me drink, I was sick and you did not visit me."

These will ask him,

"When did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or sick, and did not come to your help?"

And Jesus will answer them,

"Whatever you neglected to do unto one of the least of these, you neglected to do unto me!"

As we have gathered here to pray together, I think it will be beautiful if we begin with a prayer that expresses very well what Jesus wants us to do for the least. St. Francis of Assisi understood very well these words of Jesus and his life is very well expressed by a prayer. And this prayer, which we say every day after Holy Communion, always surprises me very much, because it is very fitting for each one of us. And I always wonder whether eight hundred years ago when St. Francis lived, they had the same difficulties that we have today. I think that some of you already have this prayer of peace, so we will pray it together.

Let us thank God for the opportunity he has given us today to have come here to pray together. We have come here especially to pray for peace, joy, and love. We are reminded that Jesus came to bring the good news to the poor. He had told us what that good news is when he said,

"My peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you."

He came not to give the peace of the world, which is only that we don't bother each other. He came to give peace of heart which comes from loving - from doing good to others.

And God loved the world so much that he gave his son. God gave his son to the Virgin Mary, and what did she do with him? As soon as Jesus came into Mary's life, immediately she went in haste to give that good news. And as she came into the house of her cousin, Elizabeth, Scripture tells us that the unborn child - the child in the womb of Elizabeth - leapt with joy. While still in the womb of Mary, Jesus brought peace to John the Baptist, who leapt for joy in the womb of Elizabeth.

And as if that were not enough - as if it were not enough that God the Son should become one of us and bring peace and joy while still in the womb, Jesus also died on the Cross to show that greater love. He died for you and for me, and for that leper and for that man dying of hunger and that naked person lying in the street - not only of Calcutta, but of Africa, of everywhere. Our Sisters serve these poor people in 105 countries throughout the world. Jesus insisted that we love one another as he loves each one of us. Jesus gave his life to love us, and he tells us that he loves each one of us. Jesus gave his life to love us, and he tells us that we also have to give whatever it takes to do good to one another. And in the Gospel Jesus says very clearly, " Love as I have loved you."

Jesus died on the Cross because that is what it took for him to do good for us - to save us from our selfishness and sin. He gave up everything to do the Father's will, to show us that we too must be willing to give everything to do God's will, to love one another as he loves each of us. If we are not willing to give whatever it takes to do good for one another, sin is still in us. That is why we too must give to each other until it hurts.

Love always hurts

It is not enough for us to say, "I love God." But I also have to love my neighbor. St. John says that you are a liar if you say you love God and you don't love your neighbor. How can you love God whom you do not see, if you do not love your neighbor whom you see, whom you touch, with whom you live? And so it is very important for us to realize that love, to be true, has to hurt. I must be willing to give whatever it takes not to harm other people and, in fact, to do good to them. This requires that I be willing to give until it hurts. Otherwise, there is no true love in me and I bring injustice, not peace, to those around me.

It hurt Jesus to love us. We have been created in his image for greater things, to love and to be loved. We must "put on Christ," as Scripture tells us. And so we have been created to love as he loves us. Jesus makes himself the hungry one, the naked one, the homeless one, the unwanted one, and he says, "You did it to me." On the last day he will say to those on his right, "whatever you did to the least of these, you did to me," and he will also say to those on his left, "whatever you neglected to do for the least of these, you neglected to do it for me."

When he was dying on the Cross, Jesus said, "I thirst." Jesus is thirsting for our love, and this is the thirst for everyone, poor and rich alike. We all thirst for the love of others, that they go out of their way to avoid harming us and to do good to us. This is the meaning of true love, to give until it hurts.

I can never forget the experience I had in visiting a home where they kept all these old parents of sons and daughters who had just put them into an institution and, maybe, forgotten them. I saw that in that home these old people had everything: good food, comfortable place, television - everything. But everyone was looking toward the door. And I did not see a single one with a smile on his face.

I turned to Sister and I asked, "Why do these people, who have every comfort here - why are they all looking toward the door? Why are they not smiling?" (I am so used to seeing the smiles on our people." Even the dying ones smile.) And Sister said, "This is the way it is, nearly everyday. They are expecting - they are hoping - that a son or daughter will come to visit them. They are hurt because they are forgotten."

See, this neglect to love brings spiritual poverty. Maybe in our family we have somebody who is feeling lonely, who is feeling sick, who is feeling worried. Are we there? Are we willing to give until it hurts, in order to be with our families? Or do we put our own interests first? These are the questions we must ask ourselves, especially as we begin this Year of the Family. We must remember that love begins at home, and we must also remember that "the future of humanity passes through the family.

I was surprised in the West to see so many young boys and girls given to drugs. And I tried to find out why. Why is it like that, when those in the West have so many more things than those in the East? And the answer was, "Because there is no one in the family to receive them." Our children depend on us for everything: their health, their nutrition, their security, their coming to know and love God. For all of this, they look to us with trust, hope, and expectation. But often father and mother are so busy that they have no time for their children, or perhaps they are not even married, or have given up on their marriage. So the children go to the streets, and get involved in drugs, or other things. We are talking of love of the child, which is where love and peace must begin. These are the things that break peace.

But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child - a direct killing of the innocent child - murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another? How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion? As always, we must persuade her with love, and we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts. Jesus gave even his life to love us. So the mother who is thinking of abortion, should be helped to love - that is, to give until it hurts her plans, or her free time, to respect the life of her child.

The father of that child, whoever he is, must also give until it hurts. By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems. And by abortion, the father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. That father is likely to put other women into the same trouble. So abortion just leads to more abortion. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching the people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. That is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion.

Many people are very, very concerned with the children of India, with the children of Africa, where quite a few die of hunger, and so on. Many people are also concerned about all the violence in this great country of the United States. These concerns are very good. But often these same people are not concerned with the millions who are being killed by the deliberate decision of their own mothers. And this is what is the greatest destroyer of peace today: abortion, which brings people to such blindness.

"I want this child!"

And for this I appeal in India and I appeal everywhere: "Let us bring the child back." The child is God's gift to the family. Each child is created in the special image and likeness of God for greater things - to love and to be loved. In this Year of the Family we must bring the child back to the center of our care and concern. This is the only way that our world can survive, because our children are the only hope for the future. As other people are called to God, only their children can take their places.

But what does God say to us? He says, "Even if a mother could forget her child, I will not forget you. I have carved you in the palm of my hand." We are carved in the palm of his hand; that unborn child has been carved in the hand of God from conception, and is called by God to love and to be loved, not only now in this life, but forever. God can never forget us.

I will tell you something beautiful. We are fighting abortion by adoption - by care of the mother and adoption for her baby. We have saved thousands of lives. We have sent word to the clinics, to the hospitals, and police stations: Please don't destroy the child; we will take the child." So we always have someone tell the mothers in trouble: "Come, we will take care of you, we will get a home for your child."

And we have a tremendous demand from couples who cannot have a child. But I never give a child to a couple who has done something not to have a child. Jesus said, "Anyone who receives a child in my name, receives me." By adopting a child, these couples receive Jesus, but by aborting a child, a couple refuses to receive Jesus.

Please don't kill the child. I want the child. Please give me the child. I am willing to accept any child who would be aborted, and to give that child to a married couple who will love the child, and be loved by the child. From our children's home in Calcutta alone, we have saved over 3,000 children from abortions. These children have brought such love and joy to their adopting parents, and have grown up so full of love and joy! I know that couples have to plan their family, and for that there is natural family planning. The way to plan the family is natural family planning, not contraception. In destroying the power of giving life, through contraception, a husband or wife is doing something to self. This turns the attention to self, and so it destroys the gift of love in him or her. In loving, the husband and wife must turn the attention to each other, as happens in natural family planning, and not to self, as happens in contraception. Once that living love is destroyed by contraception, abortion follows very easily.

The greatness of the poor

I also know that there are great problems in the world - that many spouses do not love each other enough to practice natural family planning. We cannot solve all the problems in the world, but let us never bring in the worst problem of all, and that is to destroy love. This is what happens when we tell people to practice contraception and abortion.

The poor are very great people. They can teach us so many beautiful things. Once one of them came to thank us for teaching them natural family planning, and said: "You people - who have practiced chastity - you are the best people to teach us natural family planning, because it is nothing more than self-control out of love for each other." And what this poor person said is very true. These poor people maybe have nothing to eat, maybe they have not a home to live in, but they can still be great people when they are spiritually rich. Those who are materially poor can be wonderful people. One evening we went out and we

picked up four people from the street. And one of them was in a most terrible condition. I told the Sisters: "You take care of the other three; I will take care of the one who looks worse." So I did for her all that my love can do. I put her in bed, and there was a beautiful smile on her face. She took hold of my hand, and she said one thing only: "Thank you." Then she died.

I could not heip but examine my conscience before her. I asked, "What would I say if I were in her place?" And my answer was very simple. I would have tried to draw a little attention to myself. I would have said, "I am hungry, I am dying, I am cold, I am in pain," or something like that. But she gave me much more - she gave me her grateful love. And she died with a smile on her face.

Then there was the man we picked up from the drain, half-eaten by worms. And after we had brought him to the home, he only said, "I have lived like an animal in the street, but am going to die as an angel, loved and cared for." Then, after we had removed all the worms from this body, all he said - with a big smile - was: "Sister, I am going home to God." And he died. It was so wonderful to see the greatness of that man, who could speak like that without blaming anybody, without comparing anything. Like an angel - this is the greatness of people who are spiritually rich, even when they are materially poor.

A sign of care

We are not social workers. We may be doing social work in the eyes of some people, but we must be contemplatives in the heart of the world. For we must bring that presence of God into your family, for the family that prays together, stays together. There is so much hatred, so much misery, and we with our prayer, with our sacrifice, are beginning at home. Love begins at home, and it is not how much we do, but how much love we put into what we do.

If we are contemplatives in the heart of the world with all its problems, these problems can never discourage us. We must always remember what God tells us in the Scripture: Even if the mother could forget the child in her womb - something that is impossible, but even if she could forget - I will never forget you. And so here I am talking with you. I want you to find the poor here, right in your own home first. And begin love there. Bear the good news to your own people first. And find out about your

next-door neighbors. Do you know who they are?

I had the most extraordinary experience of love of a neighbor from a Hindu family. A gentleman came to our house and said, "Mother Teresa, there is a family who have not eaten for so long. Do something." So I took some rice and went there immediately. And I saw the children, their eyes shining with hunger. (I don't know if you have ever seen hunger, but I have seen it very often.) And the mother of the family took the rice I gave her, and went out. When she came back, I asked her, "Where did you go? What did you do?" And she gave me a very simple answer: "They are hungry also." What struck me was that she

knew. And who were "they?" A Muslim family. And she knew. I didn't bring any more rice that evening, because I wanted them - Hindus and Muslims - to enjoy the joy of sharing.

But there were those children, radiating joy, sharing the joy and peace with their mother because she had the love to give until it hurts. And you see this is where love begins: at home in the family. God will never forget us, and there is something you and I can always do. We can keep the joy of loving Jesus in our hearts, and share that joy with all we come in contact with. Let us make that one point: that no child will be unwanted, unloved, uncared for, or killed and thrown away. And give until it hurts - with a smile.

Because I talk so much of giving with a smile, once a professor from the United States asked me, "Are you married?" And I said, "Yes, and I find it sometimes very difficult to smile at my spouse - Jesus - because he can be very demanding - sometimes this is really something true. And there is where love comes in - when it is demanding, and yet we can give it with joy.

One of the most demanding things for me is travelling everywhere, and with publicity. I have said to Jesus that if I don't go to heaven for anything else, I will be going to heaven for all the traveling with all the publicity, because it has purified me and sacrificed me and made me really ready to go to heaven. If we remember that God loves us, and that we can love others as he loves us, then America can become a sign of peace for the world. From here, a sign of care for the weakest of the weak - the unborn child - must go out to the world. lf you become a burning light of justice and peace in the world, then really you will be true to what the founders of this country stood for.


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1 posted on 12/17/2003 7:59:15 PM PST by JesusThroughMary
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To: JesusThroughMary
any chance you can add "offthetrain" to your screen name?
2 posted on 12/17/2003 8:01:11 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: JesusThroughMary; ambrose
You know, there is such a thing as picking your battles.

Screaming about the "Morning after pill" is going to make you look like a nutcase who wants to ban things like condoms, rather than someone actually concerned about human life who wants to end such barbaric practices as partial birth abortion.

The left is really good at starting small and gaining momentum. Too bad prolifers haven't figured that one out yet, choosing instead to "freakout the squares" and parade around with gigantic placards of aborted fetuses. Such tactics worked so well for the anti-war movement, after all.
3 posted on 12/17/2003 8:02:47 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
any chance you can add "offthetrain" to your screen name?

lol!!

4 posted on 12/17/2003 8:04:16 PM PST by TomServo ("This can't be Wisconsin! There aren't any signs for Tommy Bartlett's water show.")
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To: TheAngryClam
YOU

are an angry clam.
5 posted on 12/17/2003 8:04:49 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: TomServo
Hey, another MST fan got that one! TMTA (twisted minds think alike)
6 posted on 12/17/2003 8:05:37 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I'm a mad mollusk all right.
7 posted on 12/17/2003 8:06:28 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
(twisted minds think alike)

;-)

8 posted on 12/17/2003 8:07:46 PM PST by TomServo ("This can't be Wisconsin! There aren't any signs for Tommy Bartlett's water show.")
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To: TheAngryClam
You have a point. Pro-life groups have not grasped the concept of incrementalism. Instead of demanding ROE be overturned right now, the pro-life movement would be better served advocating late term abortion bans, parental consent, and cutting all govt funding to Planned Parenthood.
9 posted on 12/17/2003 8:11:24 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: Kuksool
Nor have they grasped marketing, which is why I focused on the love for the gruesome that many of them display.

Planned Parenthood et al. didn't get where they are by talking about "vacuuming that damn fetus out of you" after all. They called it choice.
10 posted on 12/17/2003 8:13:55 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: TheAngryClam; Chad Fairbanks
reminds me of the skippers seafood ads in seattle.
11 posted on 12/17/2003 8:14:41 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: JesusThroughMary
I happen to agree with you on this, but I think you need to work more tactfully if you hope to persuade anyone at FreeRepublic.

Also, I love Mother Teresa's great speech at the clinton prayer breakfast, which put bill & hillary into a state of shock, but it's not going to help persuade anyone on this particular issue.
12 posted on 12/17/2003 8:15:00 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Kuksool
and cutting all govt funding to Planned Parenthood

That's it right there. That point really leaves me

13 posted on 12/17/2003 8:15:43 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: TheAngryClam
Screaming about the "Morning after pill" is going to make you look like a nutcase who wants to ban things like condoms

But they do want to ban condoms, and every other type of birth control

And you're right, when the extremists denounce the morning-after pill and say that rape victims should have to give birth to the child of their rapist, they just hurt their own cause by driving away millions of potential supporters who think those postions are crazy

14 posted on 12/17/2003 8:16:28 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: WackyKat
" going to make you look like a nutcase "

Dr. Freud taught us that "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

and so, also,

sometimes what "looks like a nutcase" is just a nutcase.
15 posted on 12/17/2003 8:21:30 PM PST by John Beresford Tipton
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To: WackyKat
From my vantage point, making this available over the counter absent age requirements is as extreme as it gets.

High school girls can not take an aspirin without permission from the parents. Birth control pills must be precribed by a medical doctor.

But high dose birth control pills can be bought over the counter by anybody. The picture is all wrong. Lots of pin cushioning, flyback lines and vertical drift.

16 posted on 12/17/2003 8:23:34 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
What I think would be interesting - and don't get me wrong - I'm pro-life - but what I would find most interesting would be an answer to the question, "What about the unwanted children that are out there now?" Not the unborn, mind you - but those that have been born, but are unwanted.
17 posted on 12/17/2003 8:25:16 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob (LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?)
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To: TheAngryClam
Nail hit on head. Great post.
18 posted on 12/17/2003 8:27:14 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: jwalsh07
High school girls can not take an aspirin without permission from the parents.
Making such obviously incorrect statements as this does not further your cause. High school girls--and boys--can buy and take all the aspirin they want, without having to get permission from their parents.
19 posted on 12/17/2003 8:32:15 PM PST by drjimmy
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To: drjimmy
Let them take it to school and see what happens though.
20 posted on 12/17/2003 8:33:26 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob (LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Yep. And pro-life organizations like CPC's are overloaded helping adopt out. I think you're right. And that is an area often overlooked by the anti-abortion crowd.
21 posted on 12/17/2003 8:34:23 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: drjimmy
Public schools around here, they can't take that without permission (ok, so it's Florida...)
22 posted on 12/17/2003 8:35:24 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Let them take it to school and see what happens though.
Same goes for the morning-after pill. It is a red herring to make it appear as if high school girls will be allowed to take the morning-after pill more easily than an aspirin.
23 posted on 12/17/2003 8:40:16 PM PST by drjimmy
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To: drjimmy
Making such obviously incorrect statements as this does not further your cause.

Obviously incorrect? Says who, you?

High school girls--and boys--can buy and take all the aspirin they want, without having to get permission from their parents.

. The policy in the high school in my town is no drugs without permission. I know because I signed the permission sheets when my girls were in high school.

I also never claimed that high school girls and boys could not buy or consume aspirin without permission from their parents.

But thanks for the advice on how to "further my cause".

Of course you could have commented on the desirability of making high dose birth control pills available over the counter to young girls and guys but the hubris clouded your vision.

24 posted on 12/17/2003 8:42:45 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: TheAngryClam
The author of this article is not a nutcase. Just look at Europe if you want to know why. Or are you too addicted to birth control to see the facts when they stare you in the face?

Europe as we know it is a dying civilization. Pat Buchanan, in his book The Death of the West, uses United Nations statistics to project that the native populations of Europe will decrease by 70% in the next 100 years, simply because native Europeans are no longer having enough babies to reproduce themselves. In some European countries, the average woman is now having 1.1 babies in her lifetime. The number needed to maintain a population is 2.1.

The last time Europe’s population showed a drop remotely close to this magnitude was during the Black Plague of the 14th century. Nowadays, however, the deadly infection isn’t being carried by rats. It’s being carried by an ideology – one that bills itself as charitable, progressive, even Utopian. Indeed, the Planned Parenthood paradise of “unrestricted reproductive freedom” has materialized in post-Christian Europe during the early 21st century. Europe is exercising its “right to choose” and it is choosing cultural suicide. I hope the last European turns out the lights.

During the Black Death, the elderly died with the young. But the plague that envelops Europe today takes only the young. Of course, the nations of Europe have Social Security systems similar to ours, and as the people of these nations age, they are running out of young workers to fund their retirements. Reluctantly, they are allowing poor, uneducated immigrants from the Middle East and Africa to take the bottom rung jobs necessary to continue funding the retirement system. By the year 2100, these immigrants, mostly Muslims, will outnumber the native Europeans.

This next bit of information didn’t make the network news, but it represents the tip of a proverbial iceberg that I believe lies under the whole continent of Europe. It seems that a well-known psychology professor at the University of Aarhus in Denmark is now calling for state measures to encourage childbearing among intelligent people and discourage childbearing among those with low intellectual ability . . . to create what he calls a “better Danish society.”

Gee, I wonder where we’ve heard proposals like that before. More to the point, I wonder why this and similar ideas seem to be popping up all over Europe . . . right now, 60 years after the fall of the 3rd Reich.

What has brought Europe to this point? One would have hoped that these kinds of ideas died in a bunker in Berlin. The answer, I think, is that the native populations of Europe – the Danes, the Germans, the Italians, the Spaniards, the Swedes, the Dutch -- are scared stiff. Facing the specter of becoming minorities in their own countries, a great many native Europeans are beginning once again to embrace Adolf Hitler’s ideas about building a Master Race of superior citizens.

Not to get too melodramatic or anything, but we are in the midst of a battle of dominions and principalities. You can almost hear the flapping of satanic wings, can’t you?

Where should we look for our armor in this battle? Well, I suggest that we start by remembering who warned us about what would happen if Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, got her way. It has been the constant teaching of the Catholic Church for two thousand years that artificial contraception is gravely immoral. Until the middle of the last century, public policy broadly supported Church teaching in every Christian country on the planet, Catholic and Protestant alike.

But along came the “sexual revolution” of the 1960’s, creating in its maelstrom an anti-family and anti-life mindset -- the contraceptive mentality -- which has resulted in 40 million surgical abortions in the United States alone since 1973, and God only knows how many chemical abortions.

Concerning that last point, perhaps Planned Parenthood's most diabolical legacy is the birth control pill. Indeed, Margaret Sanger supplied the primary funding for pill research and development in the 1950’s.

Did you know that the common birth control pill results in the abortion of a tiny human being in a small but meaningful percentage of reproductive cycles? If you don’t believe me, check out the Physician’s Desk Reference at your local library. This is the volume that the pharmaceutical companies use to advise doctors concerning the chemical effects of their drugs. If you do so, you will discover that the “pill” not only prevents sperm from fertilizing egg; it is also formulated to kill tiny but genetically complete babies 5 to 7 days after fertilization, when necessary to abort pregnancies. Popular birth control products like Depo Provera kill tiny babies roughly 50% of the time. Intra-uterine devices do so 100% of the time.

Pope Paul VI, in his historic 1968 encyclical, Humanae Vitae, predicted that widespread use of artificial birth control would result in: • an increase in conjugal infidelity, • the general lowering of morality, • the loss of respect for women, • and it would be a dangerous weapon in the hands of public authorities.

If you are pretty depressed by all this, I can’t blame you. But I can tell you that despite this mess there is incredible reason for optimism.

Thankfully, just as the Church first warned us about the dangers of the contraceptive “paradise” promised by Margaret Sanger, the Church also provides the tools to “bruise the heel” of the serpent that lurks therein. The antidote to Planned Parenthood is the blood of our Savior. And we can arm ourselves with the blood of our Savior . . . and His body too . . . during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass . . . in the sacrament of the Eucharist.

We can also look to the Holy Mass to recruit powerful allies -- the angels and the saints. Most Christians, even most Catholics, don’t understand the fundamental proposition that worship is warfare. In the book of Revelation, God’s vengeance closely follows the prayers of the martyrs beneath His altar.

At Mass, we worship beside those martyrs as well as the angels. We call upon their help. Listen closely to the words which lead into the Holy, Holy, Holy: “Now, with all the angels and archangels, and the whole company of heaven, we sing the unending hymn of Your praise.”

The word “company,” as in the “whole company of heaven,” is a military term. Many Eastern liturgies refer to our alliance with the “hosts” of angels, like legions or divisions. In the Liturgy of St. Mark, we hear the prayer of the martyrs: “Crush under our feet Satan, and all his wicked influence. Humble now, as at all times, the enemies of Your Church. Lay bare their pride. Speedily show them their weakness. Bring to naught the wicked plots they contrive against us. Arise, O Lord, and let Your enemies be scattered, and let all who hate Your holy Name be put to flight.”

The Mass is nothing short of D-Day in the spiritual realm. It is our most potent weapon.

25 posted on 12/17/2003 8:46:03 PM PST by schmootman
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To: jwalsh07
SHould read:

I also never claimed that high school girls and boys could not buy or consume aspirin without permission from their parents outside of the school.

26 posted on 12/17/2003 8:48:33 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Here is exactly what you said:
From my vantage point, making this available over the counter absent age requirements is as extreme as it gets. High school girls can not take an aspirin without permission from the parents.

You explicitly attempted to compare the lack of age requirements for the morning-after pill with the need for high school girls to get parental permission to take an aspirin. Those are two completely different circumstances. There was nothing in the FDA advisory panel's "extreme" decision that said girls could take the morning-after pill without parental permission while at school.
27 posted on 12/17/2003 8:52:25 PM PST by drjimmy
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To: schmootman
Did you know that I find preventing implantation of a fertilized egg far less morally upsetting than interefering with it after implantation?

Furthermore, Buchanan, while making some good points, conflates two separate issues in his book. Race is most emphatically NOT the same thing as culture, but Buchanan is unable, or unwilling, to distinguish the two when he writes of the decline of Europe.

Western civilization is not, contrary to what Buchanan would have you believe, genetically inherent to only white Europeans. Rather, it is a cultural artifact that Europe has become increasingly unwilling to demand acceptance of by new immigrants.

Europe's problem is not declining birthrates, but failure to culturally assimilate the incoming migrants. It is the same problem that the United States is currently having with Mexican migrants along the Southern border.

The replacement of one type of genetic stock is utterly untroubling if there is a forced assimilation of the culture. This is why when the control of Europe permanently passed from the hands of the Mediterranean Greeks and Romans to the Germanic people (the Franks and the Goths, primarily), it was no great problem, since, while much was lost or changed, the basic core of European civilization remained intact, uniterrupted.

So don't give me that "Europe is aborting too many white babies to keep the middle easterners down!" garbage. Europe's problem is that it is too unwilling to demand that the immigrants to its nation change their attitudes and culture to the dominant one.

America has the same problem.
28 posted on 12/17/2003 8:58:48 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: drjimmy
I know exactly what I said pal and here's the nexus. The state regualtes the intake of drugs in high schools, prescription or otherwise.

Now the state is making available high dose birth control pills to girls of any age over the counter when the state requires a medical doctor to prescribe low dose birth control pills.

Whether you see or like that nexus ranks right up there in my list of concerns with Hussein being humiliated in Iraq.

29 posted on 12/17/2003 8:59:02 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
There is no nexus, you're drawing a connection that isn't there.

You can pop aspirin aplenty the second you set foot off high school grounds, and I challenge you to show me a single public high school where permission is not needed to take the morning after pill at the school.
30 posted on 12/17/2003 9:01:10 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: TheAngryClam
The state regulates both, comprende???????????
31 posted on 12/17/2003 9:02:12 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: TheAngryClam
The new study, results of which were published in Lancet August, 1998, was sponsored by the Special Programme of Research, Development and Research Training in Human Reproduction (WHO/HRP), a program set up in 1972 by the World Health Organization to coordinate international efforts on priority research leads. WHO/HRP also supported the Hong Kong study and three other multicenter studies of the levonorgestrel tablet.

According to Dr. Sharon Camp, President of WCC

Sharon Camp, Ph.D., President of Women’s Capital Corporation (WCC), the U.S. distributor for Plan B. "We are really excited to be able to provide this important advance in emergency contraception to American women."

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(WOMENSENEWS)--U.S. Sen. Patty Murray, a Democrat from Washington state, and Congresswoman Louise Slaughter, a New York Democrat, introduced congressional legislation on Wednesday that would allocate $10 million annually for five years to educate health care providers and the public about emergency contraception. It was one of the first salvos in a muscular new campaign in March designed to raise the profile of the emergency contraception products with lawmakers, regulators, health-care providers and the American public.

Some states aren't waiting for the FDA to act. West Coast women already have access to drugstore dispensation under laws passed in California and Washington state, and through a test project in Alaska. Four more states--Hawaii, Minnesota, New Hampshire and New York--also have legislation pending to permit pharmacists to provide women with emergency contraception.

"When American women see it move forward in Canada, we will see more furor for it to move similarly fast here," Camp said.

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"A critical mass is building on EC," said Kirsten Moore, president of the Reproductive Health Technologies Project in Washington, a nonprofit organization that is coordinating the campaign. "Pieces are falling into place on the supply side. Now is the time to push the demand side."

Single Momz

Sharon L. Camp, Ph.D., previously, as Senior Vice President of Population Action International, she managed professional staff involved in lobbying, media liaison, policy research and publications. Dr. Camp has chaired or served as an elected director on the boards of Family Health International, the National Council for International Health, the International Center for Research on Women, the Reproductive Health Technologies Project, the National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association, EngenderHealth, Management Sciences for Health and Population Action International.

The Alan Guttmacher Institute-www.guttmacher.org-is a not-for-profit corporation for sexual and reproductive health research, policy analysis and public education, with offices in New York and Washington, D.C. We look forward to welcoming Dr. Camp to AGI, in January 2004.

32 posted on 12/17/2003 9:03:09 PM PST by kcvl
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To: jwalsh07
In exactly the same way, under the same circumstances.

What you're saying is that nuclear weapons and a slingshot are comparable, because there are laws governing access to both.
33 posted on 12/17/2003 9:03:47 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: kcvl
Uh-huh. And...?
34 posted on 12/17/2003 9:04:50 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: TheAngryClam
No, that' what you're inferring. Big difference.

The same analogy holds true for abortion. Girls who have not reached the age of majority can not take drugs in schools absent their parents permission but they can secure an abortion.

In Ct, these same girls can not get piercings absent parental permission but they can get abortions.

You following yet? The state is becoming a full partner in parental rights and the yahoos are cheering them on.

35 posted on 12/17/2003 9:08:13 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: TheAngryClam
You don't have a problem with someone who creates a "demand", researches the "need", is the US DISTRIBUTOR for the product, lobbies for $$$ to "educate" the user, the doctor, the pharmacy, etc.? I think it's called a conflict of interest. I don't think I want or need her "advice". It's called an agenda.
36 posted on 12/17/2003 9:11:35 PM PST by kcvl
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To: jwalsh07
So you're using the school's prevention of the use of aspirin absent a permission slip as in loco parentis?

There's something loco here, but its not that...
37 posted on 12/17/2003 9:13:58 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: kcvl
I think that's called selling a product.

You know, like every other business on Earth does?
38 posted on 12/17/2003 9:15:19 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: TheAngryClam
So you're using the school's prevention of the use of aspirin absent a permission slip as in loco parentis?

You're pretty dense, eh?

There's something loco here, but its not that...

The state acts as the de facto parent when they facilitate underage girls having abortions absent the parents knowledge.

And after chatting with you, it is easy to see why they get away with it.

39 posted on 12/17/2003 9:19:01 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: TheAngryClam
Not when it has to do with ruining lives. Especially from a so-called doctor who is creating the "emergency".

"Pieces are falling into place on the supply side. Now is the time to push the demand side."

40 posted on 12/17/2003 9:21:20 PM PST by kcvl
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To: jwalsh07
The state also defines "underage" and "age of consent"- they're not born of natural law, or parental discretion. Since it does, it has the power to define special cases of age of consent, such as procuring an abortion.

You might not like it, and I've never known a prolifer to let things like truth or the Constitution (specifically, the Tenth Amendment, with the attempts to federalize abortion bans. Do NOT bring up Roe v. Wade- that had nothing to do with the Constitution, regardless of what some Justices say) get in the way of their agenda.
41 posted on 12/17/2003 9:23:39 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: kcvl
Really?

You should tell that to all the doctors who've gotten quite wealthy marketing plastic surgery.
42 posted on 12/17/2003 9:24:24 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: TheAngryClam
The state also defines "underage" and "age of consent"- they're not born of natural law, or parental discretion. Since it does, it has the power to define special cases of age of consent, such as procuring an abortion.

Spoken like a true statist.

You might not like it, and I've never known a prolifer to let things like truth or the Constitution (specifically, the Tenth Amendment, with the attempts to federalize abortion bans. Do NOT bring up Roe v. Wade- that had nothing to do with the Constitution, regardless of what some Justices say) get in the way of their agenda.

What tenth amendment? You mean the one that didn't obtain in Lawrence v Texas? That tenth amendment? Don't make me laugh. Sodomy is a right but life isn't. Tell the truth now, are you Harry Browne?

43 posted on 12/17/2003 9:28:10 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: WackyKat; TheAngryClam; JesusThroughMary
It is wrong to intentionally act to kill innocent human beings, no matter who their fathers are or what their parents did.

There is no incrementalism potential, here, if the protocols are able to prevent implantation of an embryo, they are abortifaceints, not contraceptives.

Where is the research that proves one or the other? I haven't found anything that's clear cut.
44 posted on 12/17/2003 9:29:17 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
The children who are "out there now" should not be killed, either, because they are unwanted.
In Texas, we have the "Baby Moses Law" which allows a mother to leave her child at a fire station, a hospital ER or other safe place if she finds that she doesn't want him or her after birth.
45 posted on 12/17/2003 9:31:57 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Where have you heard that Pregancy Centers are "overloaded helping adopt out"?
46 posted on 12/17/2003 9:33:34 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: jwalsh07
Morning after pills, contraception, age of majority, underage, parental permission, parental notification, law, the Constitution, policy; they are all mixed up on this thread in one steaming mass. Moving to the most outstretched limb, do you think there are any circumstances where an underage individual should be allowed to obtain birth control devices or medicine without parental permission?
47 posted on 12/17/2003 9:34:45 PM PST by Torie
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To: jwalsh07
Oh really, then?

What do you use as your yardstick of natural law?

"Old enough to bleed is old enough to breed" won't cut it, because then all these so-called minors still would be able to go out and get abortions, much to your consternation.

Likewise, the bar mitzvah and its associated ascent into manhood, is for twelve year olds.

I'd be really curious to know where you find, either physiologically or religiously, support for a "18 or older is better than 12, 14, or 16 or older" argument.
48 posted on 12/17/2003 9:35:13 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: JesusThroughMary
To fuss about birth control makes no sense at all.
49 posted on 12/17/2003 9:36:09 PM PST by tkathy (The islamofascists and the democrats are trying to destroy this country)
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To: Torie
Yes but not without parental knowledge absent clear evidence of an abusive situation.
50 posted on 12/17/2003 9:37:17 PM PST by jwalsh07
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