ABORTION

Catholic Citizens of Illinois ^ | 12-16-03 | Barbara Kralis

[kcvl]

West Coast women already have access to drugstore dispensation under laws passed in California and Washington state, and through a test project in Alaska. Four more states--Hawaii, Minnesota, New Hampshire and New York--also have legislation pending to permit pharmacists to provide women with emergency contraception.

I guess it takes too long for the states to decide so liberals decided to force their agenda on everyone.

You can count on lawsuits to follow when one of these so-called doctors is wrong about this pill not being harmful. Who do you think will pay for that?

[MHGinTN]

Erata ... "As many as eight to twenty twelve cell divisions occur before ..."

[Torie]

Actually John said precisely the opposite. He endorsed notification, not permission. That is why I deemed his response "sensible."

[Mo1]

Oh, it's far more dangerous than that ... hormonal systems in the human body work on a feedback/regulatory system of signals,

I know ... which is why I said this ruling will haunt them for years to come

AIDS was just one example I used

[hocndoc]

If the condom fails to prevent pregnancy or an STD, will the parent be held financially responsible for further care for the 17 year old and/or the new grandchild?

[MHGinTN]

Abortion is a 'birth control' method; placing condoms and abortion in the same category is deceptive, don't you think? Obfuscatory actually. Did you mean to be 'obscuring'?

[kcvl]

What is Plan B?

Plan B is the first progestin-only emergency contraceptive to be approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Although oral contraceptive pills containing progestin have been in use for routine contraception for many years, Plan B contains the first progestin-only tablet specifically developed for postcoital contraception. Plan B is safe for most women and is highly effective. Each Plan B packet includes a single course of treatment and consists of two tablets, each containing 0.75 mg levonorgestrel, a totally synthetic progestogen. The first tablet should be taken as soon as possible within 72 hours (3 days) of unprotected intercourse. The second tablet must be taken 12 hours later. Safe, effective, and accessible emergency contraception is one of the most important tools for reducing the unacceptably high number of unintended pregnancies. According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, there are over 3 million unintended pregnancies each year.1 Half of these end in abortion. By reducing the risk of pregnancy after unprotected intercourse, Plan B can substantially reduce the incidence of unintended pregnancies and the corresponding need for abortion.1-5

Guess what?

The Alan Guttmacher Institute-www.guttmacher.org-is a not-for-profit corporation for sexual and reproductive health research, policy analysis and public education, with offices in New York and Washington, D.C. We look forward to welcoming Dr. Sharon L. Camp to AGI in January 2004.

Who is Dr. Sharon L. Camp?

Camp, the Plan B(how cute/sarcasm)("emergency contraception") US distributor.

[Mo1]

Why and I not surprised

[hocndoc]

The question is should the FDA **make changes** to the status of the post-coital protocols or even regular birth control pills?

This action is unnecessary and will increase the incidence of girls and women who experience unprotected sex without subsequent health screening. We - those who pay for publically funded medical care and who share in the cost of health insurance - will pay for this action in increased STD's, including those which are the sole reason for yearly pap smears and the cause of cervical cancer. We will also see more infertility due to those infections. I'm very concerned that cervical cancer will be found at earlier ages and at later stages of invasiveness.

Younger girls are actually more susceptible to STD's - including the Human Papilloma Virus that causes 99% of cervical cancer - than girls over 17 or 18, since their tissues lining the cervix are not mature and can not protect them as well.

[hocndoc]

The fact that the parent denies birth control does not mean that the parent gives permission for the minor to have intercourse, and so to become pregnant.

The parent of the minor *is* held responsible if the contraceptive fails and a child is born, or the minor suffers due to some medication or illness, and when the minor commits a crime or runs up a debt, at least in most States.

[jwalsh07]

You said you were against allowing underage individuals to get birth control devices without parental permission.

I oppose underage anythings to get anything from the state and or Doctors absent parenatl notification and absent parental consent the parent should be released from their parental duties and the state or the underage child should assume them. After all, fair is fair.

I understand the difference between a condom and an abortion, but either you don't or you don't think a 17 year old should be allowed to buy a condom.

Yet you don't understand that Plan B is an abortifacient and as such should be prescribed by a Doctor. The question is why don't you understand that?

[cpforlife.org]

"What do you think the chances of AIDS cases skyrocketing are?"

As promiscuity rises all of it's consequences will rise proportionally.

If it's as readily available as aspirin, the culture of death will reach another new low. This can only accelerate the cultures collapse.

[Mo1]

If it's as readily available as aspirin, the culture of death will reach another new low. This can only accelerate the cultures collapse.

Sadly yes

Seems like some can't see the whole picture

[Torie]

Well that is your point of view. My point of view is that if the parent can deny contraception for the minor, than the parent is in for the long haul as to the grandchild. It is so much fun drawing these little similarities and distinctions isn't it? It does tend to illustrate that the bludgeon of using as an argument that the parent should have total control over the minor because of financial liability, can be a two edged sword. In the end, that bludgeon is just that, a bludgeon, to wit, a blunt instrument.

[cpforlife.org]

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

[WackyKat]

Yet you don't understand that Plan B is an abortifacient and as such should be prescribed by a Doctor. The question is why don't you understand that?

If the pill were prescription-only, that would resolve your complaint, right?

[jwalsh07]

If the pill were prescription-only, that would resolve your complaint, right?

It would resolve several of my complaints. If you're asking if I am pro life, I am. But I am pragmatic enough to recognise that abortion is an incremental push and the first increment is third trimester abortion.

[WackyKat]

It's a shame more pro-lifers don't have the sense you do; some of them can't seem to make a moral distinction between a partial birth abortion and a guy using a condom

[hocndoc]

Your point of view appears to be some combination of

minors have a right to have sex,
minors have a right to sex against their parent's wishes,
the parent is required to give permission and facilitate sex by allowing the minors to have contraception
that parents have no right to know about the health risks of their children,
and/or
that there should be no consequences to the minor.

If the parent refuses to allow his minor child to have the keys to the car because he does not want the child to drive, is the parent responsible when the child sneaks out and drives recklessly? Well, yes, usually. But, it's not because the parent wouldn't hand over the keys. It's because parents are held responsible for the actions of their minor children.

The parent is held responsible by the State for the consequences of the actions of their child while the child is a minor, to some degree or other. To the extent that the parent is held responsible, the State should not interfer with the parent's choices, unless inalienable rights are involved.

And no matter how much we wish it weren't so, there are increased consequences with decreased first age of intercourse and an increased number of partners.

There's also a big difference in the potential for harm to anyone with use of a non-invasive device such as a condom and the ingestion of a medication.

Our government intrudes too often with its regulations and laws. My personal feeling is that there shouldn't be any laws that we aren't willing to enforce with guns and at risk of a policeman's life.

But, the fact that there are too many laws and regulations does not justify **one more** *bad* regulation, changing the status of one particular class of protocols.

[Salvation]

Feast of the Holy Innocents next Sunday!