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Two Novice Gumshoes Charted The Capture Of Saddam Hussein
Wall Street Journal via Early Bird ^ | December 18,2003 | Farnaz Fassihi, Staff Reporter Of The Wall Street Journal

Posted on 12/18/2003 5:50:19 AM PST by Ispy4u

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If the CPL was a school house trained 96B he should have been familiar with Link analysis. The training period for it was short, but it is really a simple tool. Analyzing 9,000+ links with physical descriptions is a long process these two soldiers performed exceptionally. Hooah! Army Intel, Always Out Front!
1 posted on 12/18/2003 5:50:20 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: Ispy4u
A 31 year old, 11 year service lieutenant? A 36 year old E-4?
2 posted on 12/18/2003 5:55:39 AM PST by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, stay tuned to your local FReeper Network station)
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To: Ispy4u
The duo read through sheaves of interrogation reports from detainees and interviews with local Iraqis. They plumbed a huge database provided by central military intelligence. Eventually, they created what they nicknamed "Mongo Link," a four page, 46-by-42-inch color-coded chart with their 300 names on it.

It helped them separate the Known Knowns from the Known Unknowns and the Unknown Unknowns.

3 posted on 12/18/2003 5:57:12 AM PST by martin_fierro (Holder of an M.A. degree in The Obvious)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
intelligence ping
4 posted on 12/18/2003 6:01:54 AM PST by leadpencil1
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To: Ispy4u
Impressed, grateful, thankful, nostaligic and just a tad jealous

Cpl. Harold Engstrom, Lt. Angela Santana, and Maj. Stan Murphy,

Well done !

Your country thanks you.

I thank you

5 posted on 12/18/2003 6:02:07 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Ispy4u
104th Military Intelligence Battalion.

Go 104!!

6 posted on 12/18/2003 6:03:11 AM PST by mylife
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To: Ispy4u
Nice article. A tribute to the skills of our military and America's very great ability to learn and adapt.
7 posted on 12/18/2003 6:05:10 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Ispy4u

"And I would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those darn kids!"

8 posted on 12/18/2003 6:05:14 AM PST by Jonah Hex (Free Republic - the Truth Shall Make You Fret)
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To: Ispy4u
The informant, who is described as middle-age and from an area near Tikrit, escaped capture several times. Finally, he was arrested in a house raid in Baghdad last Friday and immediately brought to Tikrit for interrogation. Mr. Hussein was captured the next day.
The skill of the interrogators. Now being turned on the big guy himself.
9 posted on 12/18/2003 6:05:17 AM PST by samtheman
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To: MindBender26
... which means she was an executive secretary at the age of 20.
10 posted on 12/18/2003 6:05:38 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Ispy4u
The two say the task of creating Mr. Hussein's Who's Who chart was beyond the scope of their training. "Completely surreal," is how Lt. Santana describes the job. "Like we are detectives suddenly."

I have to wonder why we are paying billions upon billions for professional intelligence bureaucracies. Where were they?

11 posted on 12/18/2003 6:07:01 AM PST by Moonman62
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To: MindBender26
A 31 year old, 11 year service lieutenant? A 36 year old E-4?

LOL that's what I was wondering...

12 posted on 12/18/2003 6:07:49 AM PST by Drango ("To Serve Man" ... IT'S A COOKBOOK!)
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To: af_vet_1981
Impressed, grateful, thankful, nostaligic and just a tad jealous

Me too. I had the pleasure ? of deploying with the 104 during advanced war excersises

13 posted on 12/18/2003 6:09:53 AM PST by mylife
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To: MindBender26
"A 31 year old, 11 year service lieutenant? A 36 year old E-4?"

They done good, huh?

14 posted on 12/18/2003 6:10:03 AM PST by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947.)
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To: MindBender26
"A 31 year old, 11 year service lieutenant? A 36 year old E-4?"

The Cpl. joined the Army after 9/11. Says so in the article. Also says that he was sent to Iraq shortly after boot camp. IOW, he has been in the military approx. 2 years. Or less.
15 posted on 12/18/2003 6:12:14 AM PST by elli1
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To: MindBender26
The 31 year old might be a Mustang. The 34 year old is a puzzle.
16 posted on 12/18/2003 6:13:23 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: af_vet_1981
nostalgic
nostalgic
17 posted on 12/18/2003 6:15:31 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Ispy4u
Must be a West Point colonel there somewhere that will get a box of medals for really doing the brain work.
18 posted on 12/18/2003 6:17:21 AM PST by cynicom
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To: MindBender26
It appears that they at an excellent plan. ...oops, the 9 dwarves have said that they have no plan in Iraq. One wonders what Kerry's plan would have been.
19 posted on 12/18/2003 6:17:40 AM PST by HairkingNH
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To: Cultural Jihad
Unless she was a reservist, perhaps enlisted, who then went to officer ranks or as an LDO went on active duty full time and augmented the force as an individual.

Story indicates the Cpl joined later.
20 posted on 12/18/2003 6:17:57 AM PST by Cvengr (0:^))
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To: elli1
Good catch. I missed that on the first read. And good for CPL Engstrom and the LT.
21 posted on 12/18/2003 6:18:00 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Moonman62
"two junior U.S. military-intelligence analysts in Tikrit"

   "junior" (without preconceived notions)
+ "in Tikrit" (local experience and presence)
________________
"WE GOT HIM"

Congratulations, analysts! You've helped to change the course of history!

22 posted on 12/18/2003 6:18:56 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Moonman62
I have to wonder why we are paying billions upon billions for professional intelligence bureaucracies. Where were they?

Are you kidding? They could get killed over there in Iraq. -Tom

23 posted on 12/18/2003 6:19:37 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Anything done in moderation shows a lack of interest. - Capt. Tom)
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To: MindBender26
The corporal joined after 9/11, so he has been in only two years. But why he didn't try for OCS (too old?) when he had a degree, I don't know. As for the Lt., perhaps she joined as enlisted, got her degree and then went to OCS.
24 posted on 12/18/2003 6:26:17 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Ispy4u
I do not think it is possible to overstate the magnitude of what was accomplished here. For all we knew, Saddam wasn't even in Iraq anymore yet that didn't stop our military from tracking him down anyhow. Finding one man in a spider-hole in a country the size of California is sort of like trying to find a particular grain of sand at the beach (without knowing whether or not the grain of sand you are looking for was moved to another beach altogether).

I hope this capture of Saddam takes the wind out of the anti-war "Where's Saddam?" crowd that taunted us for months. But I doubt it. They will simply switch back into the "Where's the WMD's" mode. Of course, we could have cannisters of nerve gas buried 20 feet under the ground under a children's hospital or out in the desert and it could well take thousands of searchers a hundred years to find them. These nimrods have no clue how difficult it is to find these kind of things. I have an acre of land in back of my house. If I was to bury a baseball out there, I would bet $100 that any one of these jerks couldn't find it even if I gave them the whole weekend to search for it. And we are just talking one acre here. Iraq consists of many millions of acres.

25 posted on 12/18/2003 6:28:05 AM PST by SamAdams76 (Merry Christmas!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Who cares? Obviously they had the smarts to get the job done.
Sure beats the hell out of the mental midget officer material on these threads abusing Col West and spouting rules and regulations.
26 posted on 12/18/2003 6:33:23 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
That's the kind of Army we had pre-73. Vietnam gave the Draft a bad name, but even then most who were called did their duty and many made a career of it.

In the early 60's I served with the draftees and for the most part they were older, had more life's experiences, and made better leaders (informal and formal).

General Shalikasvilli and Elvis Presley were drafted in 1958. Didn't hurt their careers.
27 posted on 12/18/2003 6:34:29 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Publius6961
Amen...
28 posted on 12/18/2003 6:34:53 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Isn't the cut-off age for OCS, 32 years old?
29 posted on 12/18/2003 6:35:39 AM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: Ispy4u
"Their first thought: "Is he joking? This is impossible. We can't even pronounce these names," says Lt. Santana. "

I hate to say it, but if that quote is true - that is what is wrong with the Army!

If we got that same request in the NSG/MarSptBn (USMC) we would have simply said "Can Do!" and done it.

Gotta jab - can't have the army get a swelled head.

30 posted on 12/18/2003 6:36:02 AM PST by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: Lion in Winter
I don't know. It has been a while ('86) since I got out.
31 posted on 12/18/2003 6:39:11 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
OCS age requirement 19-29. Age waivers on a case by case basis up to age 34. Sounds like the Cpl could well have missed the cutoff.
32 posted on 12/18/2003 6:45:57 AM PST by elli1
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To: Ispy4u
Over the years, I have discussed with friends many of the Clinton scandals involving many different people. It had occurred to me this kind of analysis of the who's and where's would be useful in documenting and maybe proving many of the scandals ignored by the media. For instance, how many know the owner of a small Chinese restaurant in Little Rock became acquainances of Barry Seal and Terry Reed. Later he was named to an important post by Clinton where he would attend CIA economic briefings then walk across the street and fax the information to China. Give you a hint, his first name is Charlie. How many know Webb Hubbell's father in law was Seth Ward - the same man that strong - armed Terry Reed into having a piece of the machine gun manufacturing project used to send guns to the contras.
33 posted on 12/18/2003 6:50:03 AM PST by tang-soo
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To: MindBender26; Drango; OldEagle
More than likely they are reservists. The CPL may not be, it states in the article he joined up after 9-11 leaving his teaching career. The LT with 11 Years is probably a direct commission LT, more than likely she spent the last 9-10 years enlisted.

Exceptional performance under pressure, two of the best this country has to offer.
34 posted on 12/18/2003 6:51:18 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: Jonah Hex
"And I would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those pesky kids!"
35 posted on 12/18/2003 6:54:39 AM PST by Principled
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To: steplock
......jarheads........yukyukyuk
36 posted on 12/18/2003 6:56:31 AM PST by gdc61
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To: Ispy4u
There are computer programs that greatly assist in the process, too.

I can't believe that a national agency hadn't already produced such a product. I would not be surprised if they never thought of disseminating it down to someone who could actually use it.
37 posted on 12/18/2003 6:57:05 AM PST by IGOTMINE (All we are saying... is give guns a chance!)
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To: martin_fierro
"It helped them separate the Known Knowns from the Known Unknowns and the Unknown Unknowns."

V-e-r-y Good, Rummy!


38 posted on 12/18/2003 6:58:24 AM PST by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: Moonman62
"Next to every name on the chart is a physical description -- hair and eye color, height, facial features that stand out -- as well as details about where they were last seen or any other information that might lead to their arrest. "


Where do you think this list of names and information came from that was in the database?

"They plumbed a huge database provided by central military intelligence."
39 posted on 12/18/2003 6:59:27 AM PST by ironman
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To: Capt. Tom
They've over there, but they just don't talk to those stinky people in uniform. (At least that was my experience in Somalia.)
40 posted on 12/18/2003 6:59:33 AM PST by IGOTMINE (All we are saying... is give guns a chance!)
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To: IGOTMINE
There are national agencies working on the same thing. But these two have direct access to the arrest/interrogation process and utilized it exceptionally well.

Their original data came from a national database that hundereds of analysts have been working on for years.

But none of those analysts have ever looked a single person on that list in the eye. That is the difference.
41 posted on 12/18/2003 7:00:37 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: TRY ONE
"It helped them separate the Known Knowns from the Known Unknowns and the Unknown Unknowns."

Thats the tricky part!

42 posted on 12/18/2003 7:03:32 AM PST by mylife
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To: Ispy4u
There is no substitute for having the intel weenies tied directly into the guys conducting the operations.
43 posted on 12/18/2003 7:03:32 AM PST by IGOTMINE (All we are saying... is give guns a chance!)
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To: steplock
I think you mean the USMC would have said "can do" and proceeded to point and grunt at the computer.

Gotta jab back. ; )
44 posted on 12/18/2003 7:03:44 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: MindBender26
" A 31 year old, 11 year service lieutenant? A 36 year old E-4?"

Rank is a little tougher to come by now, than way back when I was in. I kept getting promoted because I had a pulse and didn't smoke dope.

45 posted on 12/18/2003 7:03:51 AM PST by cookcounty (Howard Dean, mayor of a picturesque small town in New England.)
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To: Principled
Point taken.

:-)

46 posted on 12/18/2003 7:06:54 AM PST by Jonah Hex (Free Republic - the Truth Shall Make You Fret)
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To: Ispy4u
The OTHER side of the story.... eat you're heart out Paul Harvey.... Hoo Ah!..
47 posted on 12/18/2003 7:09:47 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: Ispy4u
The two officers say Maj. Murphy's orders to them were: "Figure it out, draw the lines, make me a chart and find every crucial person connected to Saddam."

Great article but "cpls" are not officers.

48 posted on 12/18/2003 7:10:45 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Ispy4u
I just checked the army White Pages. Both of these soldiers are Active duty, not reservists. It is quite apparent due to time in service that 1LT Angela Santana is a mustang, hard charger.

49 posted on 12/18/2003 7:11:33 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: Ispy4u
What was it you did the Corps? I see from your profile that you did three years before switching.
50 posted on 12/18/2003 7:11:41 AM PST by IGOTMINE (All we are saying... is give guns a chance!)
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