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To: presidio9
Why we should continue to say "under God" while saying the pledge of allegiance:

1. We have freedom of speech, guaranteed by the 1st Amendment.

2. Newdow is seriously mentally ill, and mentally ill persons should not be allowed to shape our law.
2 posted on 12/18/2003 6:53:14 AM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse; presidio9
Brennan....may merely recognize the historical fact that our Nation was believed to have been founded 'under God.'"

It is true that it was believed to have been founded under God.

It is also true that it was founded under God.

Funny, though; if they can 'separate' themselves from the belief in some way, then they feel better. It's like the creche amonst the reindeer and the Santa's. Their point is that it's a 'cultural' phenomenon as distinguished from advocacy.

That was Roy Moore's crime. He wanted to elevate the discussion to the level of "actually" recognizing that the nation IS under God. (Which it is. And which our forebears were careful to point out.)

4 posted on 12/18/2003 7:04:26 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: Devil_Anse
Here is the Oath of Office taken by our Congressmen as they are sworn in to their elected office:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter:
So help me God.

I wonder if this Oath is therefore unconstitutional...?

The assumptions being made in this trumped-up fight gainst the pledge are twofold—

1...that because schools accept Federal funding, they are Government institutions...

2...that under the Constitution, it is prohibted for Government to "establish a religion."

Neither of these assumptions have any basis in fact. Schools are not Congress, and only Congress is Constitutionally prohibted from passing legislation regarding any religious group or establishment.

The fight as presented now completely twists the usage of the language employed by our Founders in framing our Constitution, and such twisting is treasonous against America.

If the U.S. Supreme Court chooses to become an accomplice in this treachery, they should be disbarred and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law for crimes against the Consitution and Country they were sworn to serve.

;-/

9 posted on 12/18/2003 7:22:01 AM PST by Gargantua (Choose this day Whom you will serve.)
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To: Devil_Anse; presidio9
I actually think this entire conversation is moot, since the huge "assumption" is that government should be in the business of education.

The question about whether or not "under God" should be in our pledge is no different from whether some government agency should come into our home and either "spank" or "not spank" our children. It's none of their business. Similarly, it's none of the government's business how we discipline (also known as "educate") our children.

So, basically, I don't care about the government's "take" on the pledge. I suppose I'm an exception also, in that my wife and I will ABSOLUTELY NOT delegate the education of my soon-to-be-newborn daughter to the government. We'll "home school" as many call it.
78 posted on 12/18/2003 10:42:52 AM PST by Theo
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