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Republican presidential nominees 2008

Posted on 12/19/2003 2:58:48 AM PST by Reader of news

I think President Bush will be re-elected next year surely. Nevertheless, there is not any sure candidate for Republican presidential nomination in 2008. I think John McCain, Jeb Bush, Rick Perry, Condoleezza Rice, George Pataki and Bill Frist may be candidates.


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To: Veracruz
LOL
301 posted on 12/20/2003 10:12:20 AM PST by Pubbie (* Bill Owens 2008 *)
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To: Pubbie; Veracruz
Rice is also Pro-Palestinian

Just because Rice criticized the security fence does NOT mean she is Pro-Palestinian. What are you smokin'?

Are you aware that the security fence idea was proposed by the left-leaning Labour Party and opposed by the right-wing Israelis? Why do you think that is? Because they're pro-Palestinian? I don't think so.
302 posted on 12/20/2003 10:17:48 AM PST by bdeaner
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To: Dubya's fan; All
The following are NOT endorsements:

Bill Owens and Bill Frist will be the early favorites. Here is my patented NewLand DARK HORSE prediction as an entry/contender:

Craig Benson...(R) Governor of New Hampshire.

Could Be Benson?

303 posted on 12/20/2003 10:20:30 AM PST by NewLand (economy's up, democrats down, we found Saddam in a hole in the ground...)
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To: bdeaner; Veracruz
Come to your senses - there are many good distinguished conservatives that would be better than Rice - Santorum, Owens, Jeb.
304 posted on 12/20/2003 10:23:56 AM PST by Pubbie (* Bill Owens 2008 *)
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To: All
more on Craig Benson...

First 200 days as Governor

305 posted on 12/20/2003 10:26:19 AM PST by NewLand (economy's up, democrats down, we found Saddam in a hole in the ground...)
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To: Pubbie
As I said before, Rice would not make a good Prez, yet, but could make a good VP. She needs to change her tune on abortion and AA if she wants to be nominated.

I'm all for Owens. He's the man.
306 posted on 12/20/2003 10:30:05 AM PST by bdeaner
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To: bdeaner
Well Now you're making sense

:O)
307 posted on 12/20/2003 10:33:03 AM PST by Pubbie (* Bill Owens 2008 *)
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To: Dubya's fan
J C WATTS
308 posted on 12/20/2003 10:35:13 AM PST by zeaal
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To: Pubbie
Glad we can agree on Owens. Hard to imagine a conservative who would have problems with the guy. He's got straight A's so far as Governor of Colorado. A true rising star.
309 posted on 12/20/2003 11:17:57 AM PST by bdeaner
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To: Dubya's fan
Unfortunately in this day and age you have to go with electibility. I say it'll be Frist.
312 posted on 12/20/2003 3:57:51 PM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: Dubya's fan; summer
Definitely JEB! As a plus he connects VERY WELL with Hispanic voters. I heard him on Spanish langauge radio earlier today and his Spanish is excellent!
313 posted on 12/20/2003 4:00:58 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: Alberta's Child
In the age of television, a candidate simply will not win unless he's got a full head of hair.

So maybe Rudy can solve this problem by choosing Sy Sperling as his running mate.

314 posted on 12/20/2003 4:02:57 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: Nathaniel Fischer
Ever hear of Dennis Kucinich?

Yes. He's Santa's Evil Elf.

315 posted on 12/20/2003 4:04:37 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: #3Fan
I agree. Roosevelts, Kennedys, Daleys, Adamses, Gottis, Bushs, Earnhardts.

Don't forget the Gucciones.

316 posted on 12/20/2003 4:07:02 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: Dubya's fan
Hmmmmm

I have a suspicion that it won't matter who--though Rudy G would be a great prospect . . .

It seems to me that there will likely be no election in 2008 or it will be HYPORAT regardless of what Republican runs.

I sure hope I'm wrong.

It seems to me that the fury of the hard commie left will be even worse by then. The globalists plans will be much more advanced. And far too many middle of the roaders will have bought into the propaganda of both camps--which are really part and parcel of the same camp.

Even some conservatives might be ready for a shift in power. Sigh.
317 posted on 12/20/2003 4:15:23 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: PJ-Comix
RE your post #313 - I read somewhere that Gov Bush has a higher than average GOP approval rating with women, too.
318 posted on 12/20/2003 4:20:23 PM PST by summer
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To: PJ-Comix
Good tagline!
319 posted on 12/20/2003 4:27:07 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Good tagline!

Thanx. I've also been thinking of using this alternative:

"Saddam's palace is separated from his Rat Hole by a distance of 537 Florida votes."

320 posted on 12/20/2003 4:44:08 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: PJ-Comix
lol
321 posted on 12/20/2003 5:02:38 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: Veracruz
"I don't understand why Frist is getting mentioned."

As I stated, it was not an endorsement.

In wide open election years there are always party "leaders" who are annointed as front runners. Frist is a friend and supporter of GWB, geographically correct, etc. He has favorable resume for all the things 'pundits' like to look at and opine about.

IMO, I don't believe he has a chance even if he decides to pursue the nomination.

Bill Owens has all that plus conservative credentials and stature...he should be a viable candidate.

Craig Benson could represent the new style candidate...primarily from a successful business background, CEO style and credentials, young and not politically tainted or pigeonholed.

No endoresement here...just some observations.

322 posted on 12/20/2003 5:03:25 PM PST by NewLand (economy's up, democrats down, we found Saddam in a hole in the ground...)
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To: Veracruz
I did some digging for a response to these angrily bandied charges. As to "AA" (which I first wondered if people meant Alcoholics Anonymous and wondered how that could have become political controversy...), Rice had an interesting beginning in the Republican party:
Condoleeza Rice is a black woman who advises the candidate on national security, but she's not an "affirmative action'' adviser. Her personal story offers a fascinating twist of historical perception on race relations. She says she's a Republican because the first Republican she knew and most admires is her father: "He joined our party because the Democrats in Jim Crow Alabama of 1952 would not register him to vote. The Republicans did.''(Suzanne Fields, Brains, Beauty, and Beastly Politics, Jewish World Review)

Now, I did find the affirmative action label used as an epithet by the pro-terrorist palestinemonitor.com and an astonishing number of "anti-Zionist" sites. An oh so very reasoned evaluation by protestwarrior.com that simply said, "Condoleeza Rice, the affirmative action National Security Advisor, isn't qualified to be a maid in someone's house." CNN and CBS made a great deal about her quote in response to the Univ. of Mich. lawsuit:

"I believe that while race-neutral means are preferable, it is appropriate to use race as one factor among others in achieving a diverse student body," (CNN, Rice says race can be 'one factor' in considering admissions)

When puzzling over the impact of this one statement, add to it that Newsweek, 13 Dec, 2002 called her anti-affirmative action and a traitor to the black cause. The blackcommentator.com called her the "devil's handmaiden" and (again) a "traitor to her race" for not supporting affirmative action. I guess it depends on which side you are what name you'll call Rice.

It would be great if race didn't have any role in student acceptance and hiring. It should be that way. It sounds like Rice knows the reality of the situation and when slammed by the press for being anti-black, deflected the heat by saying 'I don't like it but it is there.' It would have been better if she made a flat statement against it but that would have made the whole thing worse for Bush and his administration. Remember how intense the media fire was against him then.

The quotes or positions on taxes were hard to find - mostly because as National Security Advisor, Rice had nothing to do with tax policy. Of course, the NY Times and Salon made usual Lefty attacks about her blindly supporting tax cuts. I did find oblique references to the Iraq rebuilding policy and her supporting nothing more than 15% income tax rates, which I could go for here in the US. I'll wait until a campaign or until someone asks her directly what her tax views are before freaking out.

Finally the big bugaboo of the Right, abortion. Rice has repeatedly described herself as "reluctantly pro-choice" but it isn't central to her politics. I have no problem with that - and go ahead and howl.

I mistrust fanatics no matter what side they claim. For example, I enjoy reading Civil War history and the abolition movement was a destructive fanatic movement. Were they right to oppose slavery? Yes. Were they right in their rhetoric and tactics? No. The pro-life movement has the same problem. Rigid and extreme rhetoric and tactics diminishing a good position. This is where a more moderate approach could find a solution when all radicals on both sides can do is spew angry vitriol.

On other positions, Rice is strongly conservative in foreign policy and supports pro-US military action. She speaks with a great deal of Constitutional respect. Rice should be the darling of the NRA as in the Republican convention of 2000, she stated she was a "a Second Amendment absolutist" and opposed all gun control laws.

The strongest language and charges against Rice were on Left sites - token, affirmative-action advisor, mutlimillionare crony, race traitor, etc. They seem scared and angry.

Hmmm, kind of like some of the posts here. I think the rest are genuinely happy to wish Rice success as it will dispel many Leftist lies and turn those lies against the Left. Nothing wrong with that, especially as she looks to have potential for serving in a higher office.

323 posted on 12/20/2003 6:44:58 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Veracruz; bdeaner
security fence idea

Folks, the security fence was a d****ed stupid idea. Lobotomized morons on crack idea. Let's see - build a big fence across the desert to keep the bad guys out. No such thing ever worked. Look at our own success with the big desert fence along the Mexican border. At first, it just moved the problem to the areas at the ends of the fence and now it leaks like a sieve. The big fence idea doesn't solve the problem - destroying the Palestinian terror network.

Rice has always come down hard against terrorism. I don't see how she can be viewed as pro-Palestinian for being against a dumb idea, especially as the Palestinians hate her for being anti-Palestinian.

324 posted on 12/20/2003 6:54:49 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Ophiucus
For a solid winning scenario, whether or not Hiltlery runs in 2004, is to have Cheney voluntarily opt out for 2004 and run Bush/Rice.

I'm with you, Ophiucus! Cheney's a good man but he'll have packed another 4 years on, come 2007. And 4 more for a re-election. If he ran at all in 2008, he'd be considered a lame duck from the start. (In Jan 2009 he'd be a few days shy of 68 years old.) Besides, I don't think he has the temperment or the warmth of a presidential candidate.

The vice-presidency is a kingmaker. If Rice were on the ticket in '04 she would be well positioned for the '08 nomination. And she could use some experience to overcome stage fright.
We want someone who is on the Bush team and can be reasonably expected to carry on his policies, since the war on terror is likely to persist beyond the Bush years. Who else is there but Condi Rice?

Then there's the ethnic and gender factors. Black Americans would no longer be counted certain for the Dems, with Rice on the ticket. If Hillary runs in '04 or '08, the gender factor is offset by Rice.

She's clearly the best choice Bush could make now.
325 posted on 12/20/2003 7:08:53 PM PST by Graymatter (Let's issue a new $40 bill to honor our 40th president)
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To: Ophiucus
Rice has always come down hard against terrorism. I don't see how she can be viewed as pro-Palestinian for being against a dumb idea, especially as the Palestinians hate her for being anti-Palestinian.

Exactly. Just the point I was making.

Security fence is a dumb idea, not a Pro-Palestinian idea. Even the right-wing Israelis think its a dumb idea.
326 posted on 12/20/2003 7:09:18 PM PST by bdeaner
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To: Ophiucus
When puzzling over the impact of this one statement, add to it that Newsweek, 13 Dec, 2002 called her anti-affirmative action and a traitor to the black cause. The blackcommentator.com called her the "devil's handmaiden" and (again) a "traitor to her race" for not supporting affirmative action. I guess it depends on which side you are what name you'll call Rice.

Great post. I'm a Condi fan myself.

I was a bit concerned about her response to the U of Michigan SCOTUS case, but I agree that she is far from supporting "racial quotas," as another poster said.

I do have a problem with her pro-choice stance, even if it is "reluctant." But for me, that doesn't rule her out, either.

Overall, I think she is a smart, classy lady with a very bright future. The presidency could be her destiny, if she wants it bad enough. I've suggested for 2008, Owens with Condi as VP. That would be a hot ticket.
327 posted on 12/20/2003 7:20:36 PM PST by bdeaner
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To: zarf
Clark or Clinton may be on the 04 ticket. This will be a fight

I say you're correct. It will be Clark/Clinton 2004. Then Hillary gets to keep her promise that she will not run for President in 2004.

I'm putting my money on this scenario.

328 posted on 12/20/2003 7:22:58 PM PST by Gracey
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To: Graymatter
Then there's the ethnic and gender factors. Black Americans would no longer be counted certain for the Dems, with Rice on the ticket. If Hillary runs in '04 or '08, the gender factor is offset by Rice.

Yes. Huge strength for a Rice ticket. While some may frown upon highlighting Condi for her race and gender, the fact is, they are big political assets, on top of her excellent credentials.
329 posted on 12/20/2003 7:23:38 PM PST by bdeaner
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To: Gracey
It will be Clark/Clinton 2004.

Pretty good bet, but I wouldn't count Dean out just yet. He's lost momentum, but the polls show he's still hanging on where it counts, in the numbers. Dean won't have Hitlery as his running mate.

If Dean loses the primaries, look for him to run anyway, as a third party candidate. That would be a beautiful scenario. The Dems can pack it up and go home if that happens.
330 posted on 12/20/2003 7:27:45 PM PST by bdeaner
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To: Godebert
I read her biography, which was recently published.

She states in it that she became pro-gun when she saw her father drive off attacking Ku Kluxers with his firearms in her childhood.
331 posted on 12/20/2003 11:52:35 PM PST by ZULU (Remember the Alamo)
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To: bdeaner
Do you have a fence around your house? If so, why? Looks?
332 posted on 12/20/2003 11:55:30 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: Graymatter
If he ran at all in 2008, he'd be considered a lame duck from the start.

True, but I never got the impression that Cheney wanted to become President.

Then there's the ethnic and gender factors. Black Americans would no longer be counted certain for the Dems, with Rice on the ticket. If Hillary runs in '04 or '08, the gender factor is offset by Rice.

Careful, you'll be slammed for 'tokenism' in this thread. *grin* Seriously, I would love to see the reactions. The Jesse and Sharpton crowd would be livid and the NAACP would be spitting hateful invectives at her. It could go a long way to undo the 30 plus years of brainwashing by the Left and show some how hypocritical they are. Still, I think that the DemoRats will still pull the larger portion of black votes but the hold would be weakened.

The gender vote might be a nifty split, though.

333 posted on 12/21/2003 2:57:31 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: bdeaner
Exactly. Just the point I was making.

I figured as much, but I also figured the point needed to be jumped up and down on a few times to dispel the silliness.

334 posted on 12/21/2003 3:03:58 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: bdeaner
Great post. I'm a Condi fan myself

Thanks, I agree she has great potential and shouldn't be given a one issue litmus test.

I don't know enough about Owens to decide one way or the other but Rice would be a killer addition to any ticket combination.

335 posted on 12/21/2003 3:08:54 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: KantianBurke
Condi Rice and JC Watts aren't conservative?

Condi Rice is a real conservative. She's a charismatic speaker. She's also physically attractive.

A minor problem is that she's unmarried. You can count on the Dems to start a whisper campaign about why.

But I'd love to see her run, and I'd love to see her as president.

336 posted on 12/21/2003 3:25:37 AM PST by xdem
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To: rhombus
Rudy and Pataki are New York RINO socialist gun banners...
338 posted on 12/21/2003 3:30:50 AM PST by sargon
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To: Veracruz
Oh boy, you are so polite and civil.

That's some nice bullsh!ting, but she's still pro-AA.

If she is so pro-affirmative action, why is she demonized by the black groups that suport it?

What do you have a problem with? Conservatism? It seems you have no problem with every liberal position there is

Oh no - I disagree with you - I must be a liberal. Funny, I guess supporting gun rights is liberal, supporting a strong defense is liberal, anti-terror is liberal, freedom of speech is liberal, blah blah blah.

One issue politics is not conservatism - conservatives have a wide variety of opinions. But then, you're arguing from a point on the spectrum that makes Buchanan and David Duke seem like moderates (whoops, wait, Buchanan was the first poster boy for the Constitution party before the Reform party offered him more cash). Do those jackboots ever give you blisters?

And I really wonder why it's so hard for you people just to accept the truth and admit what you're doing? No, instead you write paragraphs and paragraphs dodging it. Again, if Rice was a white man, we'd have never heard of him

Maybe because "we people" don't have a problem with her being black and have some admiration for her.

The question is, why do you have such a big problem with it?

339 posted on 12/21/2003 4:33:39 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Pubbie
And Owens banned the Use of the Matricular Consular card

? :)

342 posted on 12/21/2003 7:55:18 AM PST by John123 (The Governator is gonna clear a lot of the deadwood in Sacramento!)
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To: Veracruz
Stop being a Democrat, stop using racial politics.

Looks like you and that blowhard Howie Phillips stopped being a Republican a long time ago --- or at least since 12/09/03 for you, maybe.

On that note who really cares what you think? Third parties full of whiners, crackpots, and John Birch Society rejects like your group only help Democrats anyway.

343 posted on 12/21/2003 8:18:13 AM PST by Agamemnon
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To: jocon307
re: "dynasties"

Also, don't forget the relationship between William Henry Harrison (9th president) to Benjamin Harrison (23rd President), as we recall John Adams (2nd President) and John Quincy Adams(6th Persident).

344 posted on 12/21/2003 8:24:43 AM PST by Agamemnon
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To: John123
"?"

You don't know what the Matricular Consular Card is?
345 posted on 12/21/2003 9:17:47 AM PST by Pubbie (* Bill Owens 2008 *)
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To: Veracruz
That's because the right-wing parties don't want to give up Judea to the Palestinians. Condi Rice doesn't want the Israelis to even have a secure border. Hell, if we don't, why should they? Same position, different reasons.

Maybe so, maybe not. What Condi says to the press and what she really believes are not necessarily the same thing.

But even if she does have different reasons, it simply goes to prove my point: being against the security fence does NOT mean one is pro-Palestine. If so, this logic would mean the right-wing Israelis are pro-Palestine. They are not. Therefore, the logic is fallacious.
346 posted on 12/21/2003 10:50:43 AM PST by bdeaner
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To: Fledermaus
Do you have a fence around your house? If so, why? Looks?

As a matter of fact, no. I don't have a fence around my house. And even if I did, it wouldn't do much to dissuade intruders who want to break in bad enough.

Of course, you are referring to the security fence, right? Well, let's run with your analogy:

Let's say you were in the midst of a legal dispute with your neighbor about your property line. In the midst of the dispute -- before the lawsuit gets settled or goes to trial -- you decide you are going to erect a fence around your property. Can you do that?

No, you can't. Why? Because you don't know where your property begins and the other guy's ends. That is the nature of the dispute. You could spend a lot of money erecting a fence that you will have to tear down later, after the property line is established legally, which would be dumb and a waste of money. Get the drift?

Now, let's suppose that you were concerned because your neightbor is a homicidal maniac. So, you think your fence will protect you. Guess what? It won't. A homicidal maniac will find his way around, over or under your fence if he wants to kill you bad enough.

Still not convinced? Okay. You could cheat yourself. Say you build your fence, and in order not to jeapordize the trial, you try to be modest. When you build your fence, you make sure that it is well within the boundaries of your property. Well, guess what? You've just screwed yourself out of YOUR property on the other side of the fence. That's why the right wing Israelis are against the security fence.

The security fence is not a clear cut case. It is not cut and dry. Condi is right to second guess Sharon on this.
347 posted on 12/21/2003 11:00:08 AM PST by bdeaner
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To: rintense
Powell
348 posted on 12/21/2003 11:11:31 AM PST by des
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To: Pubbie
You don't know what the Matricular Consular Card is?

No. I could either do a google search or you can give me the short version of the meaning?

349 posted on 12/21/2003 12:38:17 PM PST by John123 (The Governator is gonna clear a lot of the deadwood in Sacramento!)
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To: John123
It's a form of ID for Mexican Illegals issued by the Mexican Government so that the Illegals can open bank accounts.

Of course it is a very unreliable form of ID and can be used by terrorists.

Owens banned accepting this form of ID in Colorado.
350 posted on 12/21/2003 12:41:01 PM PST by Pubbie (* Bill Owens 2008 *)
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