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Freeloading on the Taxpayer's Dime
15 December 2003 | Andy Obermann

Posted on 12/19/2003 7:29:22 AM PST by AndyObermann

Freeloading on the Taxpayer’s Dime By: Andy Obermann 14 December 2003

The other day I was at the grocery store doing some shopping. I patiently waited in line to purchase a few miscellaneous items. In front of me, a woman, no older than forty, was buying two sodas, two packs of gum, and a personal size bag of potato chips—trivial purchases, a snack perhaps. She proceeded to pull out what appeared to be a credit or debit card to pay for the goods. An unnecessary step for such a menial purchase, I thought. Much to my surprise, however, she was paying for these goods with her Food Stamp benefit card. It struck me as odd, very odd, but nothing was said of it and she moved on.

In 1964, President Lyndon Johnson passed the first national Food Stamp Act. In it, he outlined a plan to provide adequate nourishment for all American citizens as part of his “Great Society”. In 1976, President Jimmy Carter approved a revision of the law eliminating purchase requirements and simplifying eligibility standards. Thanks to these reductions the present day Food Stamp Program touted a massive 6.5 million recipients and a payout of more than half a billion dollars, approximately $566,569,725, to be exact.

Now, I don’t know or really want to understand what Carter was thinking, but I’d be willing to bet that soda and gum weren’t the types of food good ole’ LBJ had in mind. Aside from the fact that the Constitution affords government no power to enact such a program, one would think that at the very least, the way these monies are spent would be monitored. It’s likely that a significant portion of that half a billion could be used elsewhere if the reckless spending habits of recipients were scrutinized a bit more closely.

Normally, I’m against government intrusion in the lives of everyday people, but for this I’ll definitely make an exception. Why isn’t there some sort of provision in Welfare programs as to how these precious government funds can be spent? Is it really that intrusive to say, “Ok, since you’re getting taxpayer money from the government, we’re going to determine what you’re allowed to buy with it and monitor those purchases?”

An honest proposal would be to restrict Food Stamp purchases to the four basic food groups; grains, meats/poultry, dairy, fruits/vegetables. If this were violated, privileges would be revoked and stores in breech would be reprimanded. What’s wrong with that? Superfluous purchases such as chips and soda don’t provide adequate nourishment anyway, so why not?

A lot of you aren’t going to like this, but I’ll go one further, once a citizen has been on the program for an extended period of time, they should start losing some of the privileges that taxpayers receive. I don’t think that those who are on these programs indefinitely should be allowed to partake in voting. Maybe this would provide a little motivation to stop mooching off the hard-earned profits of others. Think about it, why should they have any say over how tax dollars are spent, when they foot none of the bill? Why should they be able to choose the leaders who shape America’s economic policies, when their earnings will not be used to fund these policies?

Now before all of you start berating me for being insensitive, let me qualify this theory. I’m not talking about citizens receiving disability and unemployment or families that legitimately go on these programs out of need. I’m referring to the chronic abusers—those who have been on these programs for years and years that have not attempted, and do not desire to get off. I’m talking about those who give our social Welfare programs a black eye: the freeloaders.

Look, if a family is in need, if the primary bread-winner has lost his or her job, or something terribly unexpected occurs, these programs can be of great assistance. There is no shame in needing or receiving help when one falls on tough times. That is why these programs were created; they are warranted for these urgent situations. They aren’t, however, meant as a long-term solution.

The government needs to take a serious look at the abuses these sorts of programs incur, and soon. If politicians don’t, perhaps the American taxpayer should look for leaders who will.


TOPICS: Editorial; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abuse; biggovernment; federalgovernment; food; plunder; plunderamerica; socialism; stamps; theft; thenannystate; thewelfarestate; welfare; welftarestate
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To: Protagoras
"Now you use that as an excuse to join the plunder in order to make your self whole."

Plunder? In order to make myself whole?

If I was going to "plunder" someone, I'd make sure that my plunder was more than $155 per month (our ENTIRE monthly grocery budget). Can YOU live and eat on 155 bucks a month.

I'm already a "whole" person, friend. I've accepted Jesus Christ as my Saviour, and I have the unconditional love of a good woman. Is it your contention that those who have been struck by disability are no longer complete human beings?

If it is, and you are someday disabled yourself, I hope for your sake that we've grown as a people beyond such sentiments ...
41 posted on 12/19/2003 8:52:10 AM PST by Stephen Ritter
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To: babyface00
"What are you smoking? "

Nothing. Never did. Never will. Don't even drink.

"You have no, none, zero right to anyone else's money. (BTW, what you're asserting has a name - socialism) I'm sorry for your predicament, but frankly, its irrelevant."

Sorry, fella, but until the laws are taken off the books, I DO have a right to this money. Soooo, change the laws. You seem to good at grousing and marginalizing other people. Are you equally good at public speaking and raising a campaign chest?

And as for me being a socialist ... well, them's fightin' words. I FOUGHT against socialism in the jungles of Vietnam, among other places. To imply that I'm a socialist is pure trash talk, and an insult.
42 posted on 12/19/2003 8:59:58 AM PST by Stephen Ritter
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To: AndyObermann
I'd rather she bought birth-control pills with it.
43 posted on 12/19/2003 9:02:02 AM PST by Old Professer
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To: Stephen Ritter
I despise politics and politicans more. I do vote for the right people, but they always seem to be the lesser of all evils.I do write my congressman--and both Senators. I do exercise my freedoms, such as posting on FR.
44 posted on 12/19/2003 9:03:56 AM PST by ampat (to)
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To: Stephen Ritter
You were complaining that you "contributed" to the system and were going to get back out what you could. I didn't make that up. I merely said you perceived it different than I.

Taking property from one person and giving it to someone else to whom it does not rightfully belong, is immoral.

Is it your contention that those who have been struck by disability are no longer complete human beings?

Are you still beating your wife? Is it your contention that pedophilia is OK? These are the same despicable straw-men you just used on me. I take it you don't like it any more than I did.

If it is, and you are someday disabled yourself, I hope for your sake that we've grown as a people beyond such sentiments ...

This is pathetic.

45 posted on 12/19/2003 9:04:21 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: ampat
I do vote for the right people, but they always seem to be the lesser of all evils.

Evil people aren't the right people.

46 posted on 12/19/2003 9:05:29 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: TonyRo76; Jack Black; babyface00; fella; jrp; wjcsux; Protagoras; sandydipper
>>>Welfare programs of any sort—i.e., government doling out benefits to those who haven't earned them—are unconstitutional, unfair and immmoral. Just end them!<<<

Welfare programs are unconstitutional and immoral indeed. Unfortunately, the superficial legality of these programs makes it harder to recognize that they are nothing more than government-sanctioned theft. Frederic Bastiat explained it well:

"Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Thus the beneficiaries are spared the shame and danger that their acts would otherwise involve...

But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them and gives it to the other persons to whom it doesn't belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish that law without delay...

No legal plunder; this is the principle of justice, peace, order, stability, harmony and logic."

-- The Law, 1850

47 posted on 12/19/2003 9:18:36 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: vannrox
Would it be right for someone to take money at gunpoint from their neighbors to pay for the groceries they cannot afford? How is it right to employ the government as their agent to take money at virtual gunpoint to pay for their groceries?
48 posted on 12/19/2003 9:21:33 AM PST by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: vannrox
Reader's Digest one time wrote that with the money the U.S. has spent on welfare, they could have purchased all the Fortune 500 companies and every acre of farm land in America. Don't know if it's true, but it sounds plausible.

I'm for giving the folks that need help bags of flour, beans and powdered milk. It'll keep 'em fed until they're back on their feet, but not be so enticing that they'd like to stay that on the dole.
49 posted on 12/19/2003 9:29:36 AM PST by Dr. Zzyzx
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To: Lady Eileen
Spot on. You must be an anarchist.
50 posted on 12/19/2003 9:29:56 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: Stephen Ritter
And NO ONE the H*** is going to tell me what to eat.

Sounds an awful lot like "Give me your money, and don't you dare question how I spend it!"

That my not be your intention, but in essence that's what your saying.

One of the multitude of problems with the government controlled welfare system is just this issue. If I give charity to someone personally, and then see him blowing it on cigarettes and junk food, I'm free not to give to him again. (This actually happened to me once.) When the government does it, I have to give no matter what they do.

So are you saying there are to be no restrictions on how you spend "your" money on food. Really? What about liquor? Cigarettes? That OK?

51 posted on 12/19/2003 10:00:00 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Paradox
That's right. No representation without taxation. To co-opt a phrase from our forefathers.
52 posted on 12/19/2003 10:04:06 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (We secretly switched ABC news with Al-Jazeera, lets see if these people can tell the difference.)
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To: babyface00
"it is not the governments role to dictate to anyone what they can and cannot consume."

When it is my dime government sure as hell can dictate what they can buy. It isn't his/her money they are throwing up there to buy food it is my dime, the hardworking taxpayer.
53 posted on 12/19/2003 10:05:14 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: Stephen Ritter
If I was going to "plunder" someone, I'd make sure that my plunder was more than $155 per month (our ENTIRE monthly grocery budget). Can YOU live and eat on 155 bucks a month.

Now you're griping that you don't get ENOUGH of our money???.

You are unbelievable!

54 posted on 12/19/2003 10:08:43 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Stephen Ritter
I feed a family of 6 with $300 a month.

You have NOTHING to gripe about!

55 posted on 12/19/2003 10:13:30 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Stephen Ritter
I'm truly sorry for your situation as I would be for anyone.

But your attitude sucks!

56 posted on 12/19/2003 10:16:17 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Stephen Ritter
"And NO ONE the H*** is going to tell me what to eat."

Just out of curiosity, are the taxpayers also paying for your health care?

57 posted on 12/19/2003 10:24:51 AM PST by freedox
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To: Protagoras
I'm interested in your use of the handle "Protagoras".

Protagoras was one of a group of Fifth Century BC philosophers. Primarily, he was a sophist, where we get the term "sophisticated".

Protagoras is known primarily for three claims (1) that man is the measure of all things (which is often interpreted as a sort of radical relativism) (2) that he could make the "worse (or weaker) argument appear the better (or stronger)" and (3) that one could not tell if the gods existed or not.

Protagoras' philosophy has primarily been used as one of the basis for the notion of modern relativism, which holds that all things are relative to the individual. It was also a foundation-stone of existentialism. In essense, it is at the heart of modern liberalism. Were you not aware of this?

Perhaps your use of this screen-name explains much of your attitude and thoughts.

Your use of the term "Pathetic" in your post doesn't even deserve a response ...
58 posted on 12/19/2003 10:48:31 AM PST by Stephen Ritter
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To: Jotmo
"But your attitude sucks!"

Dittos, my friend ...
59 posted on 12/19/2003 10:54:25 AM PST by Stephen Ritter
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To: Stephen Ritter
Protagoras was known by many as the "Father of debate" because he taught that there were two sides to every question.

And perhaps your inability to understand why your post to me was pathetic explains your attitudes and thoughts. Certainly your pitiful attempt to change the subject to my screen name is telling.

60 posted on 12/19/2003 10:57:47 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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