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Hussein May Be Weapon for Dems
NY Newsday ^ | December 19, 2003 | Ross K. Baker (PolySci Professor at Rutgers)

Posted on 12/19/2003 10:03:10 AM PST by presidio9

George W. Bush has to restrain himself from running victory laps to celebrate the Saddam Hussein capture. Republican leaders are gleeful about facing a Democratic ticket likely led by Howard Dean. So, it may seem odd, even perverse, to suggest that rooting the Iraqi dictator out of his hole might actually be an ace-in-the-hole for Democrats.

For starters, seizing Hussein shifts the focus of the hunt for America's most dangerous enemies from Iraq to the rugged Afghanistan-Pakistan border where Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar, the deposed leader of the Taliban, are said to lurk. As elusive as Hussein was in Iraq, the terrain around bin Laden's lair is far more forbidding and the population, if anything, more hostile to Americans and the chances of success less likely.

While Bush steadfastly maintains that somehow we have dealt the worldwide terrorist network a punishing blow by apprehending Hussein, most experts deny that the Iraqi ever fomented much terrorist activity against this country. The U.S. government itself concedes that an alleged meeting between an Iraqi intelligence agent and an al-Qaida operative in Prague before September 2001 never took place.

The president's boast that snaring Hussein was a major gain could easily blow up in his face if there is another outrage directed against this country. If such an attack were to take place before the 2004 election, it could spell real trouble for Bush and make the capture of Hussein appear less consequential.

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The U.S. government itself concedes that an alleged meeting between an Iraqi intelligence agent and an al-Qaida operative in Prague before September 2001 never took place.

Can somebody please let me know when this formal concession occured?

1 posted on 12/19/2003 10:03:10 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
I think this article is an example of extreme wishful thinking on the part of a deluded democrat in denial.
2 posted on 12/19/2003 10:05:42 AM PST by VRWCmember (We apologise for the fault in the taglines. Those responsible have been sacked.)
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To: presidio9
Actually, we've already captured bin Laden - we're just waiting until two days before the '04 election to announce it...
3 posted on 12/19/2003 10:06:56 AM PST by talleyman (God bless FR & Merry Christmas!)
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To: presidio9
These people are delusional. IMO any and all terror attacks will attract voters to Bush like flies to honey.
4 posted on 12/19/2003 10:07:38 AM PST by tkathy (The islamofascists and the democrats are trying to destroy this country)
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To: talleyman
Sec. Albright, isn't there something you could be doing right now that would be more productive than FReeping?

: )
5 posted on 12/19/2003 10:08:55 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("Howard Dean is incontrovertible proof that God is on Bush's side in the 2004 election"- Dick Morris)
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To: presidio9
this guy is having a bad case of Saddamfreude
6 posted on 12/19/2003 10:09:01 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: presidio9
Saddam to speak at next Democratic Convention.


7 posted on 12/19/2003 10:09:51 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: tkathy
One needs to seriously worry about what our senate and congressional intelligence committies might be doing with matters of national security. After all in academia circles and at the DNC, Bush is a greater threat than terrorism hitting our shores. Someone rings a bell at the DNC everytime a body bag for our troops is used like it's a sales quota.

I just do not understand the ground on which the democrats stand? How can they be so treasonous and how can we have a public so willing to blindly follow?

8 posted on 12/19/2003 10:14:50 AM PST by blackdog (Proudly raising Wisconsin racing sheep since 1998......Sheep Darby tripple crown winners fer sure)
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To: presidio9
Is he really implying that a 9/11 style attack on America would be good for Democrats? He's an idiot.

God forbid another attack happens, but if it does, Americans tend to rally around their leaders. I doubt that Howard Dean, the pacifist, would somehow benefit politically if we were attacked again. Americans will want swift military action, not a UN resolution and world consensus.

The best that the dems can hope for is a dull, dreary year on the war on terror. They lose on the issue of terror and as long as it leads the news, the dems lose.
9 posted on 12/19/2003 10:15:43 AM PST by tbeatty
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To: presidio9

"Come back, Republican! We have you right where we want you!!"
10 posted on 12/19/2003 10:15:49 AM PST by sanchmo
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To: VRWCmember
Isn't that the truth? Some people just do not get it and never will!
11 posted on 12/19/2003 10:15:53 AM PST by MamaB
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To: presidio9
"While Bush steadfastly maintains that somehow we have dealt the worldwide terrorist network a punishing blow by apprehending Hussein, most experts deny that the Iraqi ever fomented much terrorist activity against this country."

Minefield Alert!!!
12 posted on 12/19/2003 10:17:07 AM PST by OpusatFR (Al Dean and Howard Gore, separated at birth.)
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To: blackdog
I've often wondered what people see in the democrats. Do they care about this country? I doubt it.
13 posted on 12/19/2003 10:17:31 AM PST by MamaB
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To: tbeatty
They lose on the issue of terror and as long as it leads the news, the dems lose.

If the Democrats want to talk about nothing but Hussein between now and Election Day, that's just fine by me.

14 posted on 12/19/2003 10:18:06 AM PST by presidio9 (HAPPY IMPEACHMENT DAY -12/19/1998)
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To: presidio9
There's a reason political science professors are never to be found elected to anything. The fact is that we have an entire political party hoping desperately that evil fanatics who hate Americans will kill a few and pull their party's fortunes out of the garbage disposal. Hoping for disaster is one of those things that sounds great on paper but is ludicrous practical politics.

One simple illustration - say terrorists do whack us again, hard, in the U.S. - who does our professorial friend think the people will prefer to lead them in that event, Bush or Dean? Yeah. Me too.

15 posted on 12/19/2003 10:18:44 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
There's a reason political science professors are never to be found elected to anything.

Those who can DO. Those who cannot...

16 posted on 12/19/2003 10:19:54 AM PST by presidio9 (HAPPY IMPEACHMENT DAY -12/19/1998)
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To: VRWCmember
I think this article is an example of extreme wishful thinking on the part of a deluded democrat in denial

There is no question that, as long as he is alive, Saddam will be a focal point for a rising tide of anti-American international and domestic protest.

It is also possible that his captivity, if it continues in Iraq, will serve as a beacon to and focal point for violent anti-American resistance.

Kill him now.

17 posted on 12/19/2003 10:20:15 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: presidio9
I sense desperate and wishful thinking on the part of the writer.
As far as I know, no such concession occured except on the part of Dems parroting the DNC talking points.
18 posted on 12/19/2003 10:22:42 AM PST by Darksheare (The tagline you have loaded cannot be read. Please go back and try refreshing the page again.)
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To: presidio9
What this guy is really saying underneath his smoke and mirrors is that the side which controls the media controls "reality". Unfortunately, the liberals control the media.
19 posted on 12/19/2003 10:23:19 AM PST by TheCrusader
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To: talleyman
Snicker, snicker.... the Demorats have been falling into President Bush's traps from day 1 and still haven't figured it out. They are on the wrong side of history, and will soon become history.
20 posted on 12/19/2003 10:23:40 AM PST by TheDon
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To: presidio9
An improving economy can only hurt Bush, too.

And the rising poll numbers for Bush? Hurts him.

Everything hurts Bush. It's a Democrat law.

21 posted on 12/19/2003 10:26:44 AM PST by Lazamataz (A poem, by Lazamataz: "What do we do with Saddam, Now that we gottim?")
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To: presidio9
The U.S. government itself concedes that an alleged meeting between an Iraqi intelligence agent and an al-Qaida operative in Prague before September 2001 never took place

Nope. Untrue. One faction has been very busy trying to dismiss it. IMO opinion, where there's smoke...

22 posted on 12/19/2003 10:29:28 AM PST by Shermy
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To: TheDon

They are on the wrong side of history, and will soon become history.

Sounds like something that would come out of Clubber Lang's mouth.

"I reject this challenge, because there IS no challenge!"

23 posted on 12/19/2003 10:29:28 AM PST by presidio9 (HAPPY IMPEACHMENT DAY -12/19/1998)
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To: presidio9
I believe some of this article is true: it may seem odd, even perverse, to suggest that rooting the Iraqi dictator out of his hole might actually be an ace-in-the-hole for Democrats.
24 posted on 12/19/2003 10:29:47 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: presidio9
And now, a message for the DNC:


"Having a filthy, lice-infested, pants-pooped Saddam captured strengthens the Democratic advantage by showing the weakness of the Bush adminsitration's foreign policy. This will only make it easier for us to defeat him. Little Bush, this man is a war criminal, and we will see that he is brought to trial. He is not worth an old shoe. My feelings, as usual, is that we will win all eight branches of government by a landslide! The republicans are nowhere near the White House... they are lost... they cannot read a compass... they are retarded!! Our initial assessment is that they will all die! I triple guarantee you, that was not Saddam Hussein at all, it was all a camera trick performed by the Joooz in Hollywood!! "

25 posted on 12/19/2003 10:29:55 AM PST by sanchmo
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To: presidio9

On behalf of the Club, I'd like to apologize for allowing the Professor there to take up your time. Even on amateur night, we try to do better than that.

So... how 'bout those Democrats? Didja see where Madeleine Albright says that Bush already has Osama in custody? Yeah, she oughta know, she and her boss turned down two chances to take delivery of the guy. FedEx guy says "sign here," and Clinton goes "no." He probably thought it was another subpoena from Larry Klayman.


26 posted on 12/19/2003 10:30:09 AM PST by Nick Danger (With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.)
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To: blackdog
"How can they be so treasonous and how can we have a public so willing to blindly follow?"

Dims are international socialists, and the idea of strong US sov in anathema to their goals.

27 posted on 12/19/2003 10:32:23 AM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: presidio9
Maybe President Bush needs to publicly address these liberals who are against the Iraq war and who sympathize with Saddam. Bush should ask them bluntly if they prefer we pull our troops out of Iraq and release Saddam back into Tikrit and the Baathist Party. In the name of liberal compassion, of course.
28 posted on 12/19/2003 10:34:03 AM PST by TheCrusader
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To: Nick Danger
Clinton had a 'hands off' agreement with Bin Laden, in exchange for no attacks on US soil.
29 posted on 12/19/2003 10:35:29 AM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: blackdog
" One needs to seriously worry about what our senate and congressional intelligence committies might be doing with matters of national security. After all in academia circles and at the DNC, Bush is a greater threat than terrorism hitting our shores. Someone rings a bell at the DNC everytime a body bag for our troops is used like it's a sales quota.
I just do not understand the ground on which the democrats stand? How can they be so treasonous and how can we have a public so willing to blindly follow?"

Bravo!! The Democrats and the media were obviously counting the dead and waiting and waiting, fingers crossed, for the day that they could announce that the number of soldiers killed in Iraq ( many non combat) had finally, Hallelujah!!-exceeded the number of soldiers who died during the active combat phase But, slavering over body counts wasn't good enough-then they had to demand that they be able to photgraph flag draped coffins at Dover.I truly believe the Democrats next demand will be to actually open the coffins on the tarmac at Dover and take pictures. Unpatriotic traitorous ghouls just begins to detail my feelings about the Democrats.
30 posted on 12/19/2003 10:37:07 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: presidio9
"The president's boast that snaring Hussein was a major gain could easily blow up in his face if there is another outrage directed against this country. If such an attack were to take place before the 2004 election, it could spell real trouble for Bush and make the capture of Hussein appear less consequential."

I don't think I'm being unfair in saying I think this prof HOPES there will be another major attack.
31 posted on 12/19/2003 10:37:12 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Jim Noble
It is also possible that his captivity, if it continues in Iraq, will serve as a beacon to and focal point for violent anti-American resistance.

Better Iraq than Atlanta.
32 posted on 12/19/2003 10:40:47 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: sanchmo
LOL. Almost sounds like an upbeat Terry McAuliffe touting the Rat gains under Clinton....
33 posted on 12/19/2003 10:41:09 AM PST by eureka! (Rats and Presstitutes lie--they have to in order to survive.....)
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To: presidio9
"George W. Bush has to restrain himself from running victory laps to celebrate the Saddam Hussein capture."

Of course, this totally misrepresents the White House reaction to Saddam's capture. Bush made it clear that - although important - Saddam's capture does not mean the end of the war or the end of American casualties.
34 posted on 12/19/2003 10:42:26 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Steve_Seattle
Not just this idiot professor. Too many people in this country obviously wish for bad things to happen to our troops and our country so that Dubya will look bad and the 'Rats can resume power.

All of these people are dead wrong. Their attitudes are seen for what they are by a majority of the voters and ensure that their decline will continue into the future.

35 posted on 12/19/2003 10:46:23 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (Keynote Speakers for 2004 Republican Convention: Zell and Ah-Nold!!)
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To: presidio9

36 posted on 12/19/2003 10:50:16 AM PST by happydogdesign
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To: happydogdesign

37 posted on 12/19/2003 10:54:17 AM PST by presidio9 (HAPPY IMPEACHMENT DAY -12/19/1998)
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To: Bluntpoint
>>...Saddam to speak at next Democratic Convention...<<

Speak hell, he's gonna be Deans' running-mate.

VOTE DEAN/HUSSEIN....has a nice ring to it doncha think?

38 posted on 12/19/2003 11:05:18 AM PST by FReepaholic (Never Forget: www.september-11-videos.com)
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To: talleyman
Remember, JRob said to not mention it too much, as the FRN has to move him to another undisclosed location each time it's brought up in the media.
39 posted on 12/19/2003 11:08:44 AM PST by rabidralph (Liberals are the appendix in the world's body.)
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To: All
The president's boast that snaring Hussein was a major gain could easily blow up in his face if there is another outrage directed against this country. If such an attack were to take place before the 2004 election...

First things first- I don't recall the President "boasting..."

But beyond that, further attacks will not only draw the average citizen closer to our Commander-in-Chief, but draw the undying wrath of the nation that hammered the "Thousand-Year Reich" into a smoking scrapheap.

40 posted on 12/19/2003 11:12:03 AM PST by backhoe (Don't Goose the American Eagle...)
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To: presidio9
It's always interesting to take a stroll through an alternate universe...as long as you leave a trail of bread crumbs behind!
41 posted on 12/19/2003 11:18:51 AM PST by Tallguy (I can't think of anything to say -- John Entwistle in "The Kids are Alright")
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To: presidio9
George W. Bush has to restrain himself from running victory laps to celebrate the Saddam Hussein capture.

Other than with the carrier landing, when has this president ever gloated or been anything but restrained?

-PJ

42 posted on 12/19/2003 11:34:34 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: tscislaw
[ VOTE DEAN/HUSSEIN 2004....has a nice ring to it doncha think? ]

Would make an.. Ummm.. interesting bumper sticker...

43 posted on 12/19/2003 11:36:20 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: presidio9
....and those that can't teach, criticize. The Dems do nothing but criticize (besides pi55ing and moaning).
44 posted on 12/19/2003 11:55:37 AM PST by expatpat
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To: expatpat

....and those that can't teach, criticize.

45 posted on 12/19/2003 12:07:55 PM PST by presidio9 (protectionism is a false god)
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To: presidio9
I think the government may already have extensive yet undisclosed evidence that Saddam collaborated with Al Qeada. Notice that after the capture of Hussein, only Dean has dismissed the significance of Hussein's capture. Lieberman, Gephardt and Hillary all took the position that it was good news for America. Of the RAT presidential candidates that have a chance of winning the nomination, Dean is the only one that isn't in the federal government and therefore he is the only one that does not have access to the latest intelligence information. His blissful ignorance allows him to make his outrageous statement. His RAT oppenents are not going to clue him in.
46 posted on 12/19/2003 12:16:09 PM PST by Pres Raygun
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To: presidio9
Nice picture -- especially of that nice Dr. Dean waving and trying not to look too short next to F*ing Kerry and Elegant Eddie.
47 posted on 12/19/2003 12:16:44 PM PST by expatpat
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To: expatpat
How tall is Kucinnich?
48 posted on 12/19/2003 12:21:51 PM PST by presidio9 ("By extending the reach of trade, we foster prosperity and the habits of liberty." -Adam Smith)
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To: presidio9
Shouldn't that be, "How short is Kucinich?"

His campaign lit. says he's 5'7", but he looks shorter than that, maybe about 5'4".

(Apologies to all decent short folks everywhere. I'm one myself - Kucinich may be short, but he's still taller than I am. On the other hand, I ain't runnin' for Prez . . . )

49 posted on 12/19/2003 12:27:59 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
He looks like a little doll in that photo.
50 posted on 12/19/2003 12:31:57 PM PST by presidio9 ("By extending the reach of trade, we foster prosperity and the habits of liberty." -Adam Smith)
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