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The UN Tax???? - The UN wants to tax us!
Front Page Mag | Daniel Mitchel

Posted on 12/22/2003 7:32:21 PM PST by Conservomax

Many politicians seem to think that the answer to every alleged problem is higher taxes. Howard Dean, for instance, has said he would repeal the Bush tax cuts -- even though this would boost the average family’s tax burden by nearly $2,000.

This initiative sounds radical, and it is. But some proposals out there are even worse.

The United Nations, for instance, wants to create an International Tax Organization (ITO) that would have the power to interfere with national tax policies.

This crazy idea first surfaced two years ago in a report from the world body’s “High-Level Panel on Financing for Development.” Since then, the U.N. has been working to turn it into reality. For instance, U.N. General Secretary Kofi Annan recently called for the creation of a global tax commission. But no matter what it’s called, an international bureaucracy with power over tax policy would be an assault on American sovereignty.

An international tax organization, of course, would mean higher taxes and bigger government. Indeed, U.N. officials have been quite open about their intentions. The chairman of the U.N. panel that first endorsed the creation of an ITO said that it would “take a lead role in restraining tax competition.” According to this mentality, it’s unfair for America to have lower taxes than places such as France and Germany, especially if it means that jobs and investment flee Europe’s welfare states and come to America.

For all intents and purposes, the U.N. wants to create an “OPEC for politicians.” Governments would conspire to keep taxes high, and countries with free-market tax systems -- such as the United States, Switzerland, Ireland and Hong Kong -- would be targeted for persecution.

The U.N. also wants the power to levy its own taxes. The original report looked at two options, a tax on currency transactions and a tax on energy consumption. Both of these proposals would hit America hardest. But this is just the tip of the iceberg. In the past, the U.N. has endorsed new taxes on the Internet, including a tax on e-mail. Again, the U.S. economy would pay the lion’s share if this reckless idea took effect.

But the prize for the worst U.N. idea probably belongs to the proposal to give governments permanent taxing rights over emigrants. You see, the U.N. thinks it’s unfair when talented people leave high-tax socialist nations and move to places such as America. But since even the U.N. realizes it would be unacceptable to prohibit emigration, the bureaucrats are instead proposing to let governments tax income earned in other nations.

This scheme is a direct attack on American interests because of our high levels of immigration -- particularly the well-educated portion of the immigrant population. For instance, if a doctor from the Caribbean moves to America, his home government would get to tax income he earns here. If a Chinese entrepreneur moves to Silicon Valley, the Chinese government would get to tax his U.S. income.

Foreign-born workers in the United States, including both citizens and resident aliens, earn nearly $600 billion each year. Imagine the damage if foreign governments could tax that income. Even if they imposed only a 15 percent tax rate, foreign governments could drain nearly $100 billion from our economy.

There is an understandable temptation to dismiss these U.N. proposals as silly. After all, the United States can veto any bad initiatives. But this passive approach is a mistake. What would happen, say, if Howard Dean were president when the U.N. was voting whether to create an International Tax Organization? Could we trust him to veto this nutty scheme?

Another reason we should worry: The U.N. is just one of several international bureaucracies working to undermine fiscal sovereignty. The Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) targets “harmful tax competition” and the Brussels-based European Union enthusiastically backs “tax harmonization.”

What’s particularly troubling is that U.S. taxpayers are footing the bill for much of this nonsense. We don’t belong to the European Union, but we pay 25 percent of the costs at the U.N. and the OECD.

Fortunately, some members of Congress are trying to address this. For example, Rep. John Sweeney, R-N.Y., has introduced legislation that would end U.S. funding of these bureaucracies if they insist on pursuing policies that undermine America. Bureaucrats at the U.N. and OECD don’t want to risk their bloated budgets and tax-free salaries, so this is a good approach.

Clearly we have to do something -- unless we want to see our tax bills soar


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KEYWORDS: highertaxes; kofiannan; taxes; un; uniteddictators; untaxes
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Don't Tread on Me.
1 posted on 12/22/2003 7:32:22 PM PST by Conservomax
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To: Conservomax
We fought a war over taxtion without representation once. Bring it on UN.
2 posted on 12/22/2003 7:35:13 PM PST by Brett66
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To: Conservomax
The United Nations, for instance, wants to create an International Tax Organization (ITO) that would have the power to interfere with national tax policies.

Let's see...they want to leave dictators in power; they want to control the Internet; they want to revoke the Constitution of the United States of America's Second Amendment; and now they want to tax us?

If the U.N. is trying to foment an armed revolt against their presence in the United States, they're certainly going about it the right way...

3 posted on 12/22/2003 7:35:34 PM PST by Prime Choice (Leftist opinions may be free, but I still feel like I'm getting ripped off every time I receive one.)
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To: Conservomax
This is not news. They want to impose a firearms and ammunition tax on those nations which allow the private possession of firearms. The UN wants a worldwide property tax. And of course, an energy tax. But of course, no one cares. The sheeple will not bleet loudly, until it's too late.
4 posted on 12/22/2003 7:36:51 PM PST by Beck_isright (This tag line edited by the 9th Circuit Court due to offensive political commentary)
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To: Conservomax
The time has come for us to get out of the U.N.. The only thing they do for us is take our money. Our Government had better wake up and get us out before it is too late.
5 posted on 12/22/2003 7:37:44 PM PST by mom-7
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To: Conservomax
What would happen, say, if Howard Dean were president when the U.N. was voting whether to create an International Tax Organization? Could we trust him to veto this nutty scheme?

In a word: no.

6 posted on 12/22/2003 7:38:49 PM PST by Prime Choice (Leftist opinions may be free, but I still feel like I'm getting ripped off every time I receive one.)
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To: Beck_isright
This is not news

If you throw enough s**t against a wall something will eventually stick. This exemplifies the level of idiocy these people have when it comes to economics. I can't imagine what Kofi annan's vision for teh future is. I wonder how that guy pictures the world in 75 years. They are architects of stagnation.
7 posted on 12/22/2003 7:39:53 PM PST by Conservomax (shill: One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into part)
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To: mom-7
The time has come for us to get out of the U.N.. The only thing they do for us is take our money. Our Government had better wake up and get us out before it is too late.

It bears repeating. The United Nations does NOT stand for either life or liberty. They are nothing but a leftist-legitimized collective of tinpot dictators who want a means to boss around the only remaining superpower and defender of liberty in the world.

U.S. out of U.N. (and vice-versa)!

8 posted on 12/22/2003 7:40:40 PM PST by Prime Choice (Leftist opinions may be free, but I still feel like I'm getting ripped off every time I receive one.)
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To: mom-7
We essentially pay them to come up with ways for hamstringing America.
9 posted on 12/22/2003 7:41:20 PM PST by Conservomax (shill: One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into part)
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To: Conservomax
An international tax organization, of course, would mean higher taxes and bigger government. Indeed, U.N. officials have been quite open about their intentions. The chairman of the U.N. panel that first endorsed the creation of an ITO said that it would “take a lead role in restraining tax competition.” According to this mentality, it’s unfair for America to have lower taxes than places such as France and Germany, especially if it means that jobs and investment flee Europe’s welfare states and come to America

This is idiotic. First of all, jobs are created by businesses and commerce. The governments in France and Germany provide health care for all their citizens which in turn makes it a lower cost for businesses (they don't have to provide it).

Excessive taxation allows governments to subsidize whole industries and promotes dumping (selling products below their cost to capture market share and destroy competition).

If Kofi and Co want to make markets fair they should limit taxation and government, not seek to expand it. No country (or union of countries) has ever taxed itself to prosperity.

10 posted on 12/22/2003 7:43:56 PM PST by tbeatty
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To: Conservomax
Kofi's vision of the future is a 75% plus taxation rate on the U.S.
11 posted on 12/22/2003 7:45:17 PM PST by Beck_isright (This tag line edited by the 9th Circuit Court due to offensive political commentary)
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To: Conservomax
Here's a better idea:

Luxury condos for sale and offices for lease:

12 posted on 12/22/2003 7:47:53 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Conservomax
Higher taxes are the answer to everything, don't you know - tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend.

On the other hand, cutting taxes and spending isn't a surefire bet, either. Cutting taxes and cutting spending is pretty logical.

On the subject of the UN, they, personally, can kiss my ass.
13 posted on 12/22/2003 7:47:56 PM PST by Cathryn Crawford (¿Podemos ahora sonreír?)
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To: Conservomax
This is freakin' nuts...we need to KICK the UN out of the US and get the US out of the UN!!!

I am so sick of their girly men.

GRRRRRollin' for the USA!!
14 posted on 12/22/2003 7:51:07 PM PST by GRRRRR (Would you like a hot towel, Mr. Hussein?)
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To: Conservomax
The email tax levied by whoever has been proven to be bogus time and time again. That blows the credibility of the writer for me.
15 posted on 12/22/2003 7:52:10 PM PST by DaGman
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To: Conservomax
It will be a cold day.... before any of these turds get a menny from me. The day this passes is when I stop paying any taxes in any form. I would hope to be joined by a lot of folks.
16 posted on 12/22/2003 7:55:57 PM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: Cultural Jihad
They can move the UN to Jerusalem...let's see how long they continue to define terrorists as "freedom fighters" when their members get blown up.
17 posted on 12/22/2003 8:02:53 PM PST by highlander_UW
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To: Beck_isright
"The sheeple will not bleet loudly, until it's too late."



Some sheeple are armed to the teeth.
18 posted on 12/22/2003 8:03:04 PM PST by bulldogs
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To: Beck_isright
But SOME of us "Sheeple" will resist this "Power-Grab" BEYOND the "Power" of the Illegitimate "UN!"

The American People have NOT "Endorsed" the "UN!"

This OBSCENE POWER-GRAB by the "UN" is NOT sanctioned by the American People.

This OBSCENITY is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT JUSTIFICATION to REQUIRE that the "UN" move to a location OUTSIDE the US--& NOT "Involve Itself" in Affairs of the US!!

The UN is NOT ONLY IRRELEVANT,--it is an ACTIVE OBSTRUCTION!!

The "UN" should be "Removed to" a "Location" more "in Keeping" with It's Behavior,--Bangladesh, or Cameroon, or the Philippeans, or Mozambique, or Zimbabwea, or Cyprus,--etc.etc.etc....

The "UN" has LOST any "Credibility" in America--It Should GO!!!

Doc

19 posted on 12/22/2003 8:05:15 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: bulldogs
Sheeple are not "armed to the teeth". And Don't EVER put me in the sheeple class. I'm of the "if you kick my door in, your first shot better count class of citizen."
20 posted on 12/22/2003 8:06:52 PM PST by Beck_isright (This tag line edited by the 9th Circuit Court due to offensive political commentary)
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To: Doc On The Bay
" The American People have NOT "Endorsed" the "UN!"

Every time you vote Demipublican or Republicrat, you endorse the UN. Think about it.
21 posted on 12/22/2003 8:07:32 PM PST by Beck_isright (This tag line edited by the 9th Circuit Court due to offensive political commentary)
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To: Doc On The Bay
"The American People have NOT "Endorsed" the "UN!""

It does not matter. The American people also are for the display of a nativity scene. Yet, it is not legal.
22 posted on 12/22/2003 8:12:11 PM PST by bulldogs
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To: Prime Choice; Conservomax
Howard Dean has actually said, "Iraq was no danger to us" and then later in the same interview, "If the UN had given us permission... had asked us to be part of a coalition, I wouldn't have hesitated." Understand that? If he were president, he'd attack anyone the UN said to, whether they were a danger or not. Just if the UN said so.

This is a bad, bad man. A BAD man.

23 posted on 12/22/2003 8:12:58 PM PST by wizardoz ("Let's roll!" ........................................................ "We got him!")
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To: bulldogs
"Peter, Paul, & Mary;"-- "The Times, They are a-Changing!!"

The UN DOES NOT speak for the American People!

We are in the Midst of "Interesting Times!"

Doc

24 posted on 12/22/2003 8:23:19 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: Beck_isright
"Don't EVER put me in the sheeple class"

I didn't call you a sheeple, I was making a joke about myself. The UN elites probably think You and I are sheeple. They will find that they are wrong and we will stand up and fight.
25 posted on 12/22/2003 8:23:20 PM PST by bulldogs
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To: Doc On The Bay
I like a good fight Doc. Let them try to take our freedoms.
26 posted on 12/22/2003 8:24:57 PM PST by bulldogs
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To: bulldogs
LOL, ok. People might "classify" me by my SSN, but they should always remember that for every 20% that lay down and surrender in the USA, 5% of us will defend freedom. And have in our past.
27 posted on 12/22/2003 8:25:29 PM PST by Beck_isright (This tag line edited by the 9th Circuit Court due to offensive political commentary)
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To: Beck_isright
The sheeple will not bleet loudly, until it's too late.

More like pigs content at a trough, that then squeal loudly when slaughtered.

28 posted on 12/22/2003 8:36:43 PM PST by templar
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To: Conservomax; Brett66

Property Rights

The United Nations Wants to Take Your Land!
"Private land ownership ... contributes to social injustice.... Public control of land use is therefore indispensable."

- United Nations "Habitat I" Conference Report, 1976



29 posted on 12/22/2003 8:37:56 PM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: Conservomax
The concept of "tax harmonization" is really big in the EU and with socialists in general. They view excessively low tax rates as a violation of "international law". The will talk about "harmony" and then about a central authority since everything is "in harmony". This is not WTO. This is how to get permanent unelected power.

(see also NY toll roads)
30 posted on 12/22/2003 9:03:12 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Prime Choice
The UN is working hard for the global disarmament of all civilians.

They think only the police and military need guns....

[img]http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/photos/holocaust.jpg[/img]

31 posted on 12/22/2003 9:10:47 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

32 posted on 12/22/2003 9:11:56 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Conservomax
The UN wants to tax us? (more?)
GET USED TO DISAPPOINTMENT!
33 posted on 12/22/2003 9:11:56 PM PST by Libertina (Michael Moore is the big bloated weasel in the little spider hole of weasels.)
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To: Doc On The Bay
We are in the Midst of "Interesting Times!"

Are we ever!

34 posted on 12/22/2003 9:14:05 PM PST by lakey
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To: Conservomax
The UN has failed at everything it tried to do, and now we should pay for them to hold meetings in exclusive places, and accomplish nothing?


They're NUTS!!
35 posted on 12/22/2003 9:14:27 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (We got Saddam, but Vicente's still at large.)
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To: Prime Choice
I wonder if we could convince the Islamic terrorists to take THAT building out?
36 posted on 12/22/2003 9:16:10 PM PST by GeronL (Saddam is out of the hole and into the quagmire!)
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To: Conservomax
Our message to the U.N.:

De-fund, Deport, Denounce, Disarm, Disband!

37 posted on 12/22/2003 9:23:42 PM PST by Henchster
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To: Conservomax
If that's what the U.N. wants, it can kiss my....(you get the picture).
38 posted on 12/22/2003 9:30:36 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Conservomax
In other headlines:

Water is wet, say experts
Wacky sailor claims Earth round

and below, in the teasers:

TONIGHT ON ABC's
"Kofi loves Fidel"
The other sadistic dictators get jealous--Kofi must suck up to them, too! Hijinks ensue! (Repeat)
39 posted on 12/22/2003 10:41:14 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (When laws are regularly flouted, respect of the law and law enforcement diminishes correspondingly.)
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To: Conservomax

What they really want to do

Diplomats Hold Slaves - in U.S.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b2c4f9b5a79.htm
40 posted on 12/22/2003 10:57:09 PM PST by quietolong
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To: Conservomax
I am petrified of seeing another Democrat in the White House... the stakes are way too high right now.

It's no longer just a gamble about whether we'll have to choke down more welfare, enviro reforms, soft on crime, pro-abortion, anti-religion moves, etc.... now America's very sovereignty is in play.
41 posted on 12/22/2003 10:57:36 PM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: Conservomax
The UN is completely devoted to transforming itself into a global government. They seek to end the sovereignty of all nations through a plethora of treaties, conferences, and protocols. The UN already has its hand in all aspects of life on Earth from trade to the environment. Now it not only wants the right to tax everyone, but to also have its own judicial system and military.

It is astounding to me that there are still people who support an institution that has utterly failed to bring about peace, has made no impact on the abuse of human rights around the world, and which poses a threat to our own nation. The United Nations is an international cancer tumor. It undermines free societies everywhere, serves as a platform for racism, and clearly hopes to become a mechanism by which to transfer the wealth of industrialized nations to those that can't foster (due to their socialist policies or dictatorship rule) any economic growth of their own.

The complete withdrawal from the United Nations will soon be essential if our Republic is to survive.
42 posted on 12/22/2003 11:05:58 PM PST by Jaysun (Get real, Control-Everybody-But-Yourselves freaks!)
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To: LibertarianInExile
Kofi Annan is more effective in bringing about violent vomiting episodes than repeated chugs of syrup of ipecac has ever been for me.
43 posted on 12/22/2003 11:19:57 PM PST by Jaysun (Get real, Control-Everybody-But-Yourselves freaks!)
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To: Conservomax
Get the US our of the UN!

Get the UN out of the US!
44 posted on 12/22/2003 11:27:15 PM PST by Taxman
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To: Brett66



45 posted on 12/22/2003 11:40:58 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: All
My 2¢'s about the un?

American Policy Center on-line Declaration of Independence from the U.N.

As I recall, the un has one or more "contingency sites" located in other nations... let's banish them there--

Moreover:

 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/679476/posts
U.N. Finally Forced to Probe Its Pedophilia Scandal
Newsmax.com ^ | Tuesday, May 7, 2002
"Imagine the screaming headlines and worldwide outrage if the Catholic Church or any other church allowed sexual abuse of children on such a massive scale. Could the media establishment's pro-U.N., anti-religious bias have anything to do with the stunning discrepancy? "

Child sex book given out at U.N. summit

UN cash for accused Nazi (Waldheim got 4,1 million)

'War Crimes' Fear For British Troops. Well, they wanted the World Court Didn't They?


massive sexual abuse of children in Africa,


46 posted on 12/23/2003 1:37:28 AM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: backhoe
To those of you who keep saying I won't pay a penny to these UN ba$tard$, I got news for you. It will be just like the rest of the way they have implemented socialism. It won't be the violent, Trotskyite / Maoist means. Those were the exceptions, when Communists took advantage of societies in transition.

They will tax us just like the have done everything else to us. Incrementally (I'll give Rush credit here for teaching me this). First it's a tax on something you can't refuse to buy or do, such as international money flows (tell me how you'll refuse that one, as it takes place so far over your head that you couldn't stop it if you tried). Then it will be over the flows of goods, again prior to your receiving them, and it will be something you have to have (gasoline, but from the producer not the consumer, etc.). Finally, it will be over mundane things, and close to your pocketbook, and you'll just complain and pay it, just like you do all the other taxes you can't stop or refuse.

I just wonder when we'll reach the point where they take every dollar out of private production. That's ultimately where we're headed, even without the UN. If the government keeps taking and taking, incrementally, what's left? Think of sales taxes. Those always go up, never down. How long will it be before the rate is 50% or 90% of the cost of the purchased item? What will you be able to buy then?

47 posted on 12/23/2003 3:56:45 AM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: Happy2BMe
This isn't against you personally, but whoever wrote this: "Private land ownership ... contributes to social injustice.... Public control of land use is therefore indispensable." is being deceptive. This sentence could easily read:

Private land ownership in some countries rests in the hands of a tiny elite, leaving 99% of the population with no opportunity to own land. This sort of situation, common in many countries, contributes to social injustice and political instability. At times these nations engage in land redistribution schemes but the benificiaries of these plans are ill-equipped to manage the land on their own. In this instance, temporary public control of land use is indespensible.

Whoever wrote this should have used the whole quote. I'm no lover of the UN, but proponents of UN disbanding should be honest.

48 posted on 12/23/2003 4:09:25 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: Conservomax
Many long years ago, when I was young and very foolish, I use to think that people who wanted the U.S. out of the UN, were a tad too radical. Now, I join them! SCREW THE UN!!!!
49 posted on 12/23/2003 4:13:32 AM PST by LRS
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To: jjm2111
In this instance, temporary public control of land use is indespensible.

That all depends on the nature of the 'public agency' in question. Given the UNs preference for totalitarian regimes and brutal dictatorships, (yes, I said PREFERENCE) that proposition is a load of crap.

50 posted on 12/23/2003 4:22:17 AM PST by ovrtaxt ( http://www.fairtax.org ** Freedom is messy, but that's because individuals are different.)
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