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To: CommandoFrank
Howard Dean's lack of religious committment is not a problem for a large number of people in this country. Most of them are nominal Democrats, and many of them got sick of Clinton using religion to mask his personal flaws. On the other hand, many people would be troubled by a candidate who looks like he's going to turn the White House into a church of his own faith.

The point here is this: I'm hoping that conservatives do not bash Bush for not embracing Christianity any more publically than he already does. The people he needs to get to vote for him, and for fellow Republicans next year, are far more comfortable with someone who has a religion, and doesn't spend every waking moment trying to impose it on others than they are with an overly pious candidate. Bush is walking the fine line quite well, he's sending more than adequate signals to his base that he's philosophically aligned with them, while not sending danger signals to people who see the inside of a church even less often than Howard Dean does.

The thing we should get from the article above is that we don't need to fight any harder on the religion issue, with Howard Dean as the Rat candidate, we've already won on that issue. There are plenty of other reasons to not vote for Dean besides the fact that he had a tiff with a mainline Protestant denomination over a bike path.

26 posted on 12/23/2003 9:56:49 AM PST by hunter112
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To: hunter112
"The point here is this: I'm hoping that conservatives do not bash Bush for not embracing Christianity any more publically than he already does. The people he needs to get to vote for him, and for fellow Republicans next year, are far more comfortable with someone who has a religion, and doesn't spend every waking moment trying to impose it on others than they are with an overly pious candidate."

Your verbiage sounds NYTimes-like ... that is a nice strawman you built up there, that religious people go around spending "every waking moment" - really, every waking moment? Not, say 1 hour of a day of hard evangelizing?

And the "trying to impose it on others", what activities might that be? The tired old lie that secularists shouldnt be inconvenienced by having to hear public prayer at ceremonies because they are in "danger" of being converted? If this is such a 'danger' you really arent secure in your beliefs, are you... The imposition I see these days are the secularists who are telling us we are deformed and mentally and morally deficient individuals if we dont conform to their moral vision of 'tolerance' for various forms of moral and cultural degeneration. Is that what you mean?

Of course people are more comfortable with people not telling them what to do, although that leaves the popularity of Hillary to be quite a mystery. But the fact is clear - it is the PC left and not the religious right who today are trying to use public policy to impose their views as "correct" and to make contrary views unlawful. Hence the insistence on denying free association to those who dont want to give equalt status to homosexuals.

"Bush is walking the fine line quite well, he's sending more than adequate signals to his base that he's philosophically aligned with them, while not sending danger signals to people who see the inside of a church even less often than Howard Dean does."

Signals, schmignals. What we need are good policies.

Like not letting our own culture decay further at the hands of the cultural marxists. Sometimes he does something good - like sign the Partial Birth abortion bill to save preborn humans from a brutal death; sometimes he lets the left win one, like when he let that odious Title IX rule stand, that is shutting down men's college sports and puts Federales in the busybody business in the name of feminist equality.

If anyone is "uncomfrotable" with those trying to keep the ship of civilization afloat, I suggest they jump overboard!


30 posted on 12/23/2003 10:23:41 AM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: hunter112; WOSG
{Howard Dean's lack of religious commitment is not a problem for a large number of people in this country.}

It could be a problem for the African-Americans. Blacks attend church at higher rates than whites do. In general, they like to see their politicians pray and quote the Bible. They are also uneasy about secular politicians. No Democrat could win the White House without heavy turnout from minorities. The way for Democrats to generate heavy turnout would be to visit churches and build relationships with ministers in minority communities. Bill Clinton did these things as President, and this is why he is enormously popular with African-Americans. If Dean is uncomfortable attending with black churches, then he is not going to get the heavy minority turnout needed to win the Presidency next year.
40 posted on 12/24/2003 9:28:50 PM PST by Kuksool (Merry Christmas To All!)
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