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College bake sales by conservatives who oppose affirmative-action spark conflict
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Posted on 12/24/2003 6:46:18 AM PST by Sub-Driver

College bake sales by conservatives who oppose affirmative-action spark conflict

By MELANTHIA MITCHELL The Associated Press 12/24/2003, 7:13 a.m. ET

SEATTLE (AP) — Campus bake sales by conservatives who oppose affirmative-action are cooking up discord — and complaints about restrictions on free speech.

Organizers charge white students $1 for a cookie, while blacks and other minorities pay 25 to 95 cents. Doughnuts are available for 50 cents to everyone except Asian Americans and whites, who cannot purchase them.

Unfair? So is affirmative action, organizers contend.

"It's a good example of what affirmative action does, judging people based on race," said Jason Chambers, president of the University of Washington College Republicans, which held a sale in October that shut down when some students began attacking the booth.

"People were upset. People did feel offended," said Anthony Rose, president of the UW Black Student Union. "You see something like that, you feel itemized."

In September, Southern Methodist University shut down a similar event by the Young Conservatives of Texas.

Similar bake sales have been held since February at the University of California-Berkeley, the University of Texas at Austin, Texas A&M University, Northwestern University near Chicago, the University of Michigan and Indiana University.

A conservative watchdog group in Philadelphia contends some universities are violating students' constitutional freedoms by restricting the protests.

"They cannot defend in public what they have done to the First Amendment at the University of Washington," said Thor Halvorssen, CEO of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. "There is no question that the administration would never censor a group of students holding a peaceful protest in favor of affirmative action."

The UW College Republicans' Oct. 8 bake sale took place about the same time as a step performance by a traditionally black fraternity and drew plenty of attention.

Chambers said students engaged in a couple hours of good, heated discussion, until some began yelling and tearing down signs, even throwing cookies at members of the conservative group.

"I really thought that everyone on campus could maintain their composure and have a civil discussion without getting violent. I was really surprised that it went that far," Chambers said.

UW spokesman Robert Roseth said the administration had nothing to do with the shutdown. The group's members dismantled the booth voluntarily after the office of student affairs asked them if they wished to take it down, he said.

Rose, a 20-year-old junior majoring in American Ethnic Studies, backs up the university's account.

"It was for their own safety," Rose said. "They shut themselves down."

In a letter responding to the melee, Board of Regents President Jerry Grinstein expressed disappointment with the sale.

"The statements of the UW College Republicans in putting on a bake sale about affirmative action were tasteless, divisive and hurtful to many members of the university community," he wrote.

In the incident at Southern Methodist University, organizers described the event as a bake sale — not an anti-affirmative-action protest — in their application for event space, said Jim Caswell, vice president for student affairs.

Had the university known it was a demonstration, a more appropriate location would have been chosen, Caswell said. A staff member thought the friction was likely to escalate, and stopped the event, he said.

"I think it's important to note that freedom of expression was not the issue, it was the hostile environment created by the Young Conservatives' failure to fully disclose their intentions," Caswell said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: academia; bakesale; collegerepublicans; diversity; education; multiculturalism; uw; yct

1 posted on 12/24/2003 6:46:18 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
Actual picture from a AA cookie sale...(my comments added)


2 posted on 12/24/2003 6:48:33 AM PST by smith288 (Secret member of the VRWC elite forces)
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To: Baynative
AHEM - where is the ACLU?
4 posted on 12/24/2003 6:55:02 AM PST by Fenris6
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To: Sub-Driver
It's sad that I'm not surprised to never see the administration cracking down on those students who get violent in response to what is, essentially, a peaceful political protest.
5 posted on 12/24/2003 6:56:15 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Fenris6
"it was the hostile environment created by the Young Conservatives"

Hostile environment? How about blaming the liberals who responded with violence to a peaceful demonstration.

6 posted on 12/24/2003 6:58:26 AM PST by Fenris6
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To: Sub-Driver
Thor Halvorssen, CEO of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. "... would never censor a group of students holding a peaceful protest in favor of affirmative action." [sic]

If quoted accurately, affiliating this guy's name with anything related to 'education' is a disgrace.

You can't "protest in favor" of anything. Maybe he meant to say 'demonstrate.'

To protest MEANS to be against. Obviously, ol' Thor seems more interested in "rights" than he is in "education."

7 posted on 12/24/2003 7:03:32 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: Sub-Driver
More Women than Men in Management Now - Trend to continue due to "targeting"...

Michigan Bank Fined For Discrimination AGAINST WHITES

8 posted on 12/24/2003 7:04:12 AM PST by disclaimer
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To: Sub-Driver
In a letter responding to the melee, Board of Regents President Jerry Grinstein expressed disappointment with the sale.

"The statements of the UW College Republicans in putting on a bake sale about affirmative action were tasteless, divisive and hurtful to many members of the university community,"

You will notice he didn't say the statements by UW College Republicans were untrue

So9

9 posted on 12/24/2003 7:06:35 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: skip2myloo
Obviously, ol' Thor seems more interested in "rights" than he is in "education.">>>

Without rights education is nothing but a tool of the Nazis.
12 posted on 12/24/2003 7:11:53 AM PST by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Baynative
The creator of Kwanzaa is a self-avowed Marxist and "Black Nationalist." (Whatever that is!)
13 posted on 12/24/2003 7:12:02 AM PST by adam_az
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To: skip2myloo
Obviously, ol' Thor seems more interested in "rights" than he is in "education.">>>

Without rights education is nothing but a tool of the Nazis.
14 posted on 12/24/2003 7:14:13 AM PST by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Sub-Driver
Rose, a 20-year-old junior majoring in American Ethnic Studies, backs up the university's account.

Well, Bobby, where do you plan to work with a degree like that?

16 posted on 12/24/2003 7:30:11 AM PST by TankerKC (Donít mistake my defensive response for commitment.)
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To: Sub-Driver
"I think it's important to note that freedom of expression was not the issue....

Of course not. Freedom of expression is not allowed on college campuses.

18 posted on 12/24/2003 7:33:04 AM PST by catpuppy
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To: skip2myloo
Free Speech includes the right to exercise it badly, Skippy.
Additionally, from what I know of Fire's activities, I am prepard to overlook a few grammatical imperfections on the part of Mr. Halverson.
19 posted on 12/24/2003 7:36:38 AM PST by Ignatz (Scribe of the Unwritten Law)
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To: smith288
On a sidenote -- each of the students in that photo has a really classic facial profile.
20 posted on 12/24/2003 7:38:48 AM PST by bvw
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To: TankerKC
She'll probably go to law school and be earning $125,000 a year by her 25th birthday...
21 posted on 12/24/2003 7:39:28 AM PST by only1percent
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To: Sub-Driver
An organization worthy of our support.

http://www.thefire.org/index.php
22 posted on 12/24/2003 7:42:27 AM PST by RJCogburn ("Everything happens to me. Now I'm shot by a child."...Tom Chaney after being shot by Mattie Ross)
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To: TankerKC
Well, Bobby, where do you plan to work with a degree like that?

With Jesse jackson.

23 posted on 12/24/2003 7:43:32 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Sub-Driver
Go here to see a typical liberal protester.
24 posted on 12/24/2003 7:53:08 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: Sub-Driver
"UW spokesman Robert Roseth said the administration had nothing to do with the shutdown. The group's members dismantled the booth voluntarily after the office of student affairs asked them if they wished to take it down, he said."

I've had police 'ask me if I'd like to pullover' & I guess I did it voluntarily.
But as best I understand it, 'the administration' did have something to do with it.
That and the guns (or expulsion, probation, arrest, having cookies thrown at you and your booth torn down), they had something to do with it too.

Nothing quite like the polite threat of force to resolve political (or traffic) matters.

25 posted on 12/24/2003 7:56:02 AM PST by norton
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To: Sub-Driver
Bake sales don't spark conflict. Affirmative action does.
26 posted on 12/24/2003 7:58:51 AM PST by MichiganCheese (Does the PC crowd know that holiday is derived from HOLY DAY?)
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To: TankerKC
The degree requirements include a 3 semester hour course in saying "Would you like fries with that?" in 30 languages.
27 posted on 12/24/2003 8:08:57 AM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: Sub-Driver
<< College bake sales by conservatives who oppose affirmative-action spark conflict >>

Bullshit.

The envy-motivated and hatred and rage-engined, systemic, lunatic-left-wing "liberals'" mean-spirited bigotry, illogic, intolerance -- and inability to communicate other than verbalized bowel movements -- sparks the conflicts.

The guys who are, thank God for them, running these bake sales all over America, were just having a bake sale.

Employing liberalism's rules.
28 posted on 12/24/2003 8:12:58 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Sub-Driver
Not surprising, liberals only believe in free speech when they are speaking

29 posted on 12/24/2003 8:34:05 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Ignatz; Ronly Bonly Jones
Well, gee whiz guys - I know Thor is on the conservative side here, and nothing I said is intended to imply I want to abridge his right to free speech. How could you come to that conclsuion ??

Of course, he can exercise that right "badly" if he chooses to do so. Perhaps it was an inadvertent mistake, a hip-shot slip of the tongue. I sure hope so.

It's just that spokesmen for any cause are far more effective when they speak and write articulately - and when it's a cause I believe in personally, I want them to be as articulate and effective as possible. Can you imagine Patrick Henry making such a statement ??

Thor's gaffe is more than a 'grammatical imperfection,' it is a complete malaprop a la Yogi Berra.

Lighten up - where's your sense of humor ??

30 posted on 12/24/2003 8:36:41 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: smith288
Irish, Roman, Greek -- facial profiles.
31 posted on 12/24/2003 8:46:25 AM PST by bvw
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To: thulldud
The degree requirements include a 3 semester hour course in saying "Would you like fries with that?" in 30 languages.

Colleges have stepped up to the challenge and realized that not all of their lib'ral arts graduates will end up in the culinary trades. In response to feedback from their alumni, "language arts" classes have included training in the following arenas:

Nutritional Distribution:
"Can I start you out with a yummy appetizer?"
"How would you like that cooked?"
"Ranch, Thousand Island, Blue Cheese or Italian?"

Micro-banking:
"Do you have a club card?"
"Can I see your driver's license?"
"Would you like to fill out a credit application and save 10%?"

Small Systems Manager:
"Thank you for calling _________; how may I direct your call?"
"Paging _______, you have a call on line 1"

32 posted on 12/24/2003 8:48:02 AM PST by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: Sub-Driver
"The statements of the UW College Republicans in putting on a bake sale about affirmative action were tasteless, divisive and hurtful to many members of the university community," he (UW Board of Regents President Jerry Grinstein) wrote.

Affirmative action is "tasteless, divisive and hurtful" to all members of our society, particularly those who are believed to be unable to succeed without it (and taught to believe that about themselves) and who will never have the chance to find out what they are truly capable of on their own.

It is so extremely condescending to those it purports to help and is or should be just as offensive to them (or more so) as it is to the people against whom it discriminates.

33 posted on 12/24/2003 8:50:00 AM PST by Tired_of_the_Lies
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To: Sub-Driver
If anyone offended by these bake sales had a sprinkling of brains they would have just bought everything at the discounted price and the "bake sale" would have been over.
34 posted on 12/24/2003 8:54:02 AM PST by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Sub-Driver
guess they made their point. The university should provide a couple of cops to protect their right to free speech.
35 posted on 12/24/2003 8:56:15 AM PST by breakem
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To: mc5cents
Go here to see a typical liberal protester.

OH MY GOD. Hilarious (and pretty damn disturbing.)

36 posted on 12/24/2003 9:04:35 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: TonyRo76
These “Affirmative Action” bake sales IMO are a brilliant political statement...

Indeed! In the spirit of "Dan's Bake Sale", the dynamics are simple. Selling goods on an open market with the only restriction being the limits due to color or gender.

If all Young Republicans would have a "national" bake sale at their respective colleges on a fixed date, it might receive more attention.

One observation: if one of these so-called liberals takes to hostile actions, that means that they young Pubs are making headway. The idea would be to take a page out of the leftist manual and agitate the Libs - keep it up!

37 posted on 12/24/2003 9:20:41 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Democrat party: the party of slavery, death and unholy alliances)
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To: Sub-Driver
"You see something like that, you feel itemized."

These bake sales are offensive, they are meant to be. The bake sales are saying to minorities, "you need charity" and "we don't need charity, which implies, we are better than you".

But affirmative action should be even more offensive. AA says to minorities, "you are inferior and need an edge".

38 posted on 12/24/2003 10:08:20 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Sub-Driver
"The statements of the UW College Republicans in putting on a bake sale about affirmative action were tasteless, divisive and hurtful to many members of the university community," he wrote.

If this guy is so upset at an affirmative action bake sale, why isn't he even more disgusted when the results of affirmative action result in qualified students being denied entry into school merely because they have the wrong skin color??
39 posted on 12/24/2003 10:14:34 AM PST by flashbunny (The constitution doesn't protect only the things you approve of.)
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To: BartMan1; Nailbiter
ping
40 posted on 12/24/2003 10:57:31 AM PST by IncPen ( "Saddam is in our hearts! Saddam is in our hearts!" "Saddam is in our jail!")
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To: flashbunny
If this guy is so upset at an affirmative action bake sale, why isn't he even more disgusted when the results of affirmative action result in qualified students being denied entry into school merely because they have the wrong skin color??

Or when minority students get financial aid at much better rates than white students do, which is the dirty little secret that the bake sales try to expose. The real cost of college is the "list price" minus scholarships and grants (I don't count loans). I would just love to see to see how much race and gender have to do with the decision on how much financial aid to award to a student with a given family income and SAT scores.

Not too long ago I was talking with a black lady I know. Her daughter was offered free tuition at Penn State, but chose to go to ivy-league UPenn instead where she gets full tuition but has to do some work around the campus.

Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out how my kids are going to get a college education. We're not rich, but I don't think we're going to get any discount from "list price"

41 posted on 12/24/2003 11:24:27 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me, had better run away real fast)
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To: skip2myloo
Sorry. I misread your post.

Thor is an old friend of mine and helped me launch a publication back about ten years ago when I was in school.

Merry Christmas, skip!
42 posted on 12/24/2003 3:05:23 PM PST by Ronly Bonly Jones
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