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Iranian Alert -- December 25, 2003 -- IRAN LIVE THREAD
The Iranian Student Movement Up To The Minute Reports ^ | 12.25.2003 | DoctorZin

Posted on 12/25/2003 12:01:20 AM PST by DoctorZIn

The US media almost entirely ignores news regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran. As Tony Snow of the Fox News Network has put it, “this is probably the most under-reported news story of the year.” But most American’s are unaware that the Islamic Republic of Iran is NOT supported by the masses of Iranians today. Modern Iranians are among the most pro-American in the Middle East.

There is a popular revolt against the Iranian regime brewing in Iran today. Starting June 10th of this year, Iranians have begun taking to the streets to express their desire for a regime change. Most want to replace the regime with a secular democracy. Many even want the US to over throw their government.

The regime is working hard to keep the news about the protest movement in Iran from being reported. Unfortunately, the regime has successfully prohibited western news reporters from covering the demonstrations. The voices of discontent within Iran are sometime murdered, more often imprisoned. Still the people continue to take to the streets to demonstrate against the regime.

In support of this revolt, Iranians in America have been broadcasting news stories by satellite into Iran. This 21st century news link has greatly encouraged these protests. The regime has been attempting to jam the signals, and locate the satellite dishes. Still the people violate the law and listen to these broadcasts. Iranians also use the Internet and the regime attempts to block their access to news against the regime. In spite of this, many Iranians inside of Iran read these posts daily to keep informed of the events in their own country.

This daily thread contains nearly all of the English news reports on Iran. It is thorough. If you follow this thread you will witness, I believe, the transformation of a nation. This daily thread provides a central place where those interested in the events in Iran can find the best news and commentary. The news stories and commentary will from time to time include material from the regime itself. But if you read the post you will discover for yourself, the real story of what is occurring in Iran and its effects on the war on terror.

I am not of Iranian heritage. I am an American committed to supporting the efforts of those in Iran seeking to replace their government with a secular democracy. I am in contact with leaders of the Iranian community here in the United States and in Iran itself.

If you read the daily posts you will gain a better understanding of the US war on terrorism, the Middle East and why we need to support a change of regime in Iran. Feel free to ask your questions and post news stories you discover in the weeks to come.

If all goes well Iran will be free soon and I am convinced become a major ally in the war on terrorism. The regime will fall. Iran will be free. It is just a matter of time.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iaea; iran; iranianalert; protests; southasia; studentmovement; studentprotest
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Join Us At Today's Iranian Alert Thread – The Most Underreported Story Of The Year!

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1 posted on 12/25/2003 12:01:21 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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Join Us At Today's Iranian Alert Thread – The Most Underreported Story Of The Year!

"If you want on or off this Iran ping list, Freepmail DoctorZin”

2 posted on 12/25/2003 12:04:33 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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I just received this from a student from Iran who reads our thread regularly. -- DoctorZin

"Dear Freepers & Friends

I, as an Iranian student, and on behalf of my friends and classmates we would like to wish you a very special Christmas.

May God bring you safety, peace & wealth in the days ahead. At this time our world needs Peace and Kindness.

We, Iranians, look forward to the day that our nation becomes a friend of your nation once again and we are all waiting for this day.

Once again, Please have a very merry Christmas.

God Bless you all, God Bless our nations. "
3 posted on 12/25/2003 12:06:45 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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UN Genral Assembly Rebukes Human Rights Abuse in Iran

December 22, 2003
Iran va Jahan
Iran va Jahan Network

The General Asssembley adopted a Canadian-drafted resolution rebuking Iran for alleged human rights abuses, including torture, amputation, public executions, suppression of free speech and discrimination against women and minorities, by a vote of 68 in favour, to 54 against, with 51 abstentions.(AANNEX XXV)

"Draft resolution III on human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran would have the Assembly welcome the open invitation extended by the Government of Iran to all human rights thematic monitoring mechanisms in April 2002, the opening of human rights dialogue with a number of countries, and the efforts by the elected Government to foster the growth of civil society. However, the Assembly would express its serious concern at the continuing violations of human rights in Iran, the continued deterioration of the situation with regard to freedom of opinion and expression and the continuing executions in the absence of respect for internationally recognized safeguards. Concern would also be expressed at the use of torture and other forms of cruel punishment, in particular the practice of amputation and public executions, as well as the systematic discrimination against women and girls in the law.

The Assembly would call upon the Government of Iran to abide by its obligations freely undertaken under the International Covenants on Human Rights, to expedite judicial reform, to guarantee the dignity of the individual and to ensure the full application of due process of law and fair and transparent procedures by an independent and impartial judiciary, and to eliminate all forms of discrimination based on religious grounds or against persons belonging to minorities."


Human rights in Iran

The draft resolution on the situation of human rights in Iran (document A/58/508/Add.3–III) was adopted by a recorded vote of 68 in favour to 54 against, with 51 abstentions, as follows:

In favour: Albania, Andorra, Australia, Austria, Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Belize, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Chile, Costa Rica, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Federated States of Micronesia, Fiji, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Grenada, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Marshall Islands, Mexico, Monaco, Nauru, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Samoa, San Marino, Serbia and Montenegro, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Spain, Sweden, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Timor-Leste, Tuvalu, United Kingdom, United States.

Against: Afghanistan, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Benin, Brunei Darussalam, China, Colombia, Comoros, Cuba, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Gabon, India, Indonesia, Iran, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Morocco, Myanmar, Niger, Oman, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Russian Federation, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan, Togo, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zimbabwe.

Abstain: Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Bhutan, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Congo, Côte d’Ivoire, Cyprus, Dominica, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Georgia, Ghana, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Jamaica, Kenya, Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Lesotho, Madagascar, Malawi, Mali, Mauritius, Mongolia, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Nigeria, Panama, Republic of Korea, Rwanda, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Singapore, Suriname, Switzerland, Thailand, Trinidad and Tobago, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, United Republic of Tanzania, Uruguay, Zambia.

Absent: Armenia, Chad, Equatorial Guinea, Gambia, Haiti, Honduras, Iraq, Kiribati, Liberia, Republic of Moldova, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Sao Tome and Principe, Seychelles, Swaziland, Tonga, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu.
4 posted on 12/25/2003 12:08:06 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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State's Armitage Attributes Positive Developments to Steadfast Policies

December 24, 2003
Washington File

Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage dismissed the idea that recent actions on the part of Libya, Syria and Iran were a reaction to the capture of Saddam Hussein but asserted that they are the long-term fruit of persistent policies aimed at bringing these nations into the international mainstream.

Speaking in a December 23 interview on National Public Radio, Armitage said, "The Libyan question, the discussions there, started over nine months ago. The Syrians, we've been hectoring them to do the right thing for the last seven months. And Iran decided to accede to the additional protocol regarding nuclear inspections following the visit of the three foreign ministers of the European Union."

He continued by affirming, "I think that the fact the Bush Administration has engaged in muscular multilateralism is in the back of the minds of all those three countries."

Specifically, the deputy secretary was referring to Libya's recent decision to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, Syria's seizure of $23 million in suspected Al-Qaida assets and Iran's signature of the additional protocol regarding nuclear inspections.

In the same interview, Armitage welcomed the measures being taken by the Pakistani government to address the issue of Pakistani nuclear scientists who were allegedly involved in the proliferation of nuclear technology to North Korea, Iran and Libya.

He said, "I saw a statement from Pakistan today where the government said [the scientists] may have been motivated by personal ambition and greed. So if that's the case and they were evading the laws of Pakistan, I hope the Pakistanis will wrap them up, and I think they will."

Following is the text of the interview:

(begin transcript)

Office of the Spokesman
December 24, 2003


Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage
On National Public Radio with Juan Williams

December 23, 2003
Washington, D.C.

MR. WILLIAMS: We are joined now by Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. Mr. Armitage, thanks for joining us.

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Good morning. Happy holidays.

MR. WILLIAMS: Tell me a little bit about the latest that's coming out of the interviews with Saddam Hussein about his ties to other countries who may have supported his regime.

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: He is, as I understand it, not being totally cooperative in discussions about those matters. Particularly who was supporting him trying to evade UN sanctions is something that we've very interested in, but I don't think we've got to the bottom of that yet.

MR. WILLIAMS: Deputy Secretary Armitage, do you believe that the capture of Saddam Hussein set off a chain reaction of Iran allowing surprise nuclear inspections, Libya agreeing to disarm its nuclear weapons, and finally Syria seizing $23 million believed to belong to al-Qaida? Is this part of the benefit of preemptive action by the Bush Administration?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Well, you've just asked two questions. The capture of Saddam Hussein didn't have anything to do with the above. The Libyan question, the discussions there, started over nine months ago. The Syrians, we've been hectoring them to do the right thing for the last seven months. And Iran decided to accede to the additional protocol regarding nuclear inspections following the visit of the three foreign ministers of the European Union.

But I think that the fact the Bush Administration has engaged in muscular multilateralism is in the back of the minds of all those three countries you named.

MR. WILLIAMS: So you think it really has changed the dynamic taking place on the world stage?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Well, that's certainly our hope. We think it has.

MR. WILLIAMS: In Pakistan, a scientist is now identified as the source for nuclear proliferation in Iran, Libya, North Korea. What should the Pakistanis do with him? What is the U.S. telling the Pakistanis to do?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Well, we've had good discussions with the Government of Pakistan about this. They are in the process of interviewing, and interrogating, if you will, at least three nuclear scientists. And I saw a statement from Pakistan today where the government said they may have been motivated by personal ambition and greed. So if that's the case and they were evading the laws of Pakistan, I hope the Pakistanis will wrap them up, and I think they will.

MR. WILLIAMS: But it's not the case that the U.S. feels that it's supporting Musharraf, who was recently the subject of an assassination attempt, at the cost of possibly turning a blind eye to nuclear proliferation?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: No, that would really be against our long-term interest. President Musharraf has pledged that there won't be these transfers. In the last two years that I've been working closely with him, we have not seen such transfers, and I believe him.

MR. WILLIAMS: How quickly will the United States ease sanctions against Libya?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Oh, I suspect it'll be a while. Saying something is not the same as doing something, and the "doing something" I'm referring to is getting rid of all these weapons and limiting the delivery systems, as well as making it clear to all of us, particularly the families of the Lockerbie victims, that terrorism is a thing of the past.

MR. WILLIAMS: Well, how can they prove that?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: First of all, they've got to open up clearly and completely to international inspectors, and they've got to agree with the advice given to them by the international community, and they've got to follow through on all their commitments made to the Lockerbie families. So we'll know it pretty quickly.

MR. WILLIAMS: Just a moment, let's talk about the missions undertaken by former Secretary of State Baker.


MR. WILLIAMS: What did Germany, France and Russia get in exchange for writing off so much of the Iraqi debt?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: The only thing I think they got in exchange is the fact that -- first of all, they haven't written off any particular amount of Iraqi debt. They've all agreed to substantial reductions within the Paris Club and --

MR. WILLIAMS: Wait, wait. Explain the Paris Club to me.

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: The Paris Club is a list -- I think it's -- or a group of 18 creditor nations who generally make loans in concert, or reduce or restructure loans in concert. And that's what the Germans, the French and the Russians have basically agreed to do, but they haven't put a figure next to it. We've still got some negotiation.

And Mr. Baker offered them nothing other than the opportunity to participate in the rebuilding of a free Iraq.

MR. WILLIAMS: So there is or is not a quid pro quo that says those countries will now be able to get contracts for reconstruction efforts in Iraq?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: They have always been eligible for subcontracts. I know of no change in the policy regarding prime contractors. They are not eligible.

MR. WILLIAMS: Is Mr. Baker talking to you, to officials of the State Department, or is this an independent mission?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: No, he talked to Secretary Powell a couple of times before he first took the mission; second, before he went out on the mission; and he's already both written and telephonically communicated with the Secretary upon his return from this first of what will be three separate missions.

MR. WILLIAMS: Let's change the subject again. What about the U.S. relationship with the Russians and Mr. Putin in the wake of questions that have arisen about recent elections and the jailing of a major oil baron in Russia?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Yeah, the relationship with the Russian Federation is a bit troubled right now. I think anybody who wouldn't agree with that is not keeping their eye on it. We do think that this is still an evolving strategic relationship and we have an awful lot of places where we agree, and we have problem areas such as trade disputes and Chechnya and some that you referred to, democracy and human rights.

MR. WILLIAMS: And but there's no step, there's no step being contemplated to somehow express our concern to Mr. Putin?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Well, we've expressed it publicly. The Secretary of State has done it in some of his recent pronouncements. We do it privately through our Ambassador and, if necessary, higher level contacts. And we keep pressure on where we think it's necessary. We're watching closely the Yukos affair and the Khodorkovsky case.

Mr. Putin has emphasized that all people are equal before the law, and we want to make sure that there is no sort of selective application of law.

MR. WILLIAMS: In Iran there is concern about a democratic reform movement. Senator Brownback has proposed setting aside money to support the opposition seeking to make reforms in Iran. Does State support this idea?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Well, we support the development of democratic movements in Iran. But I was very moved by the Nobel Peace Prize winner's comments, the famous lawyer Shirin Ebadi, where she said to be really effective these movements have to be in and of Iranians themselves within the country, and not a function of outside assistance and outside string-pulling. And that's kind of where we are.

MR. WILLIAMS: So you do support Senator Brownback's idea, or don't?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: No, we've told Senator Brownback, with whom I've had many discussions on this, that this is a very good idea, parts of it we support, parts we don't. It's very difficult, I think, from outside to pick the winners and the losers inside a country such as Iran, and I think that we are of the position that Iranians are the people who have a right to determine their own destiny, and we do support their aspirations to live in freedom. And to that extent, we support Senator Brownback.

MR. WILLIAMS: Okay, now one last question on Israel.


MR. WILLIAMS: The wall seems to have stirred up even more controversy in recent days, but even so, Prime Minister Sharon says he's going to go ahead with sort of unilateral steps towards creating peace, withdrawing some settlements as well as dealing with the wall.

What is the U.S. policy at the moment?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Well, some unilateral steps might be helpful to the peace process and other unilateral steps would be harmful. And I think Prime Minister Sharon indicated he was going to give a bit of time before he made these decisions to see if the Palestinians could get their act together.

But in that same speech, Mr. Williams, I would note that Prime Minister Sharon embraced fully the roadmap as the real answer to the problems of -- or the search for peace in the Middle East.

MR. WILLIAMS: So the U.S. State Department sticks by the roadmap. But is there a next step? Is there something that we could signal in the future as a next logical meeting place or event to take place to advance the roadmap?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Well, I met yesterday with the Minister of Finance of the Palestinian Authority to discuss some of these matters. We're not ready to have a next meeting place.

But I would note that there is a lot going on inside of Israel and inside the territories. Secretary Powell has met with the framers of the Geneva accord. We laterally met with Sari Nusseibeh, a professor, a Palestinian professor, both of whom are representing grassroots organization of Israelis and Palestinians who are crying out ever more loudly about the need for a solution. And I think this is a very positive development and can only be complementary to the roadmap.

MR. WILLIAMS: Well, I'm thinking that the Geneva accord was never fully embraced by the Administration, although Secretary Powell did meet with its authors. Has that attitude changed?

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: No, it wasn't a matter of embracing it. We do find it complementary to the roadmap. What we did embrace, however, was the fact that Israelis and Palestinians were coming together of their own accord seeking a way forward, and we think that can only be helpful towards peace.

MR. WILLIAMS: All right. Happy holidays, Deputy Secretary Armitage.

DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: And to you, Mr. Williams. Nice to chat with you again.

MR. WILLIAMS: Thank you. Bye-bye.
5 posted on 12/25/2003 12:09:39 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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by Amir Taheri
Gulf News
December 24, 2003

Within the next few days, Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak is expected to decide whether to visit Iran. According to Egyptian and Iranian sources, his decision depends on a symbolic move by the leadership in Tehran.

Mubarak wants the Iranians to change the name of a Tehran street. The reason? The street, where the Egyptian Embassy building is located bears the name Khalid Al Islambouli, one of the terrorists involved in the assassination of President Anwar Sadat in 1981. Facing the embassy's main entrance is a giant-size mural of Al Islambouli that Mubarak also wants removed.

The current assumption is that unless those demands are met, the Egyptian President will not go to Tehran. I think Mubarak should go, even if the street's name is not changed and the assassin's mural is not removed. There are several reasons why.

To start with, Mubarak should not make any of his decisions conditional to what terrorists or their supporters might or might not do. The decision to change the name of a street does not rest with President Mohammed Khatami who has invited Mubarak.

Head of three powers

Strictly legally speaking, Khatami does not even have the right to invite a foreign head of state to Iran. Under the 1979 Constitution and its amendments, the president is not the head of state. He is the head of the executive, a kind of prime minister whose title is "president".

Legally speaking the head of state in the Islamic Republic of Iran is Ali Khamenehi, the mullah who bears the title of "Supreme Guide". In that position he is the head of the three powers and commander-in-chief. He has the power to dismiss the president, dissolve the parliament and even suspend the rules of Islam if he so pleases.

For more than two decades, however, most foreign heads of states and other foreign dignitaries have chosen to ignore these facts, acting as if the Iranian president is the head of state. Technically, this is a major diplomatic concession to Iran because it assumes that the Iranian "Supreme Guide", which the constitution presents as "the leader of all Muslims throughout the world", stands higher than other heads of state.

Having accepted this, Mubarak would be wrong to cancel his visit because of the Al Islambouli issue, which is part of the power game played out in Tehran.

By the latest count there are some 30 Tehran streets that bear the names of various Iranian and foreign terrorists and murderers. The street where the British Embassy is located is named after Bobby Sands, an IRA terrorist. The street where Hassan Ali Mansour, one of Iran's prime ministers, once lived is named after the man who murdered him.

Less radical Khomeinists like Khatami are embarrassed by all that and wish to do something about it. More radical Khomeinists, however, see any attempt at taking off the names of the terrorists as a direct attack on their ideology.

The truth is that Khatami is unable to bring about the street name change demanded by Mubarak. That decision belongs to the Tehran Municipal Council and Mayor. Tehran's new mayor is a hard-line Khomeinist who regards Khatami as a traitor. The new municipality is dominated by hard-liners who hate Mubarak as much as they hate Ariel Sharon.

The new mayor and the new municipality were elected earlier this year thanks to the massive boycott of the polls by the Tehrani electorate.

Less than 15 per cent of those eligible to vote went to the polls, enabling radicals to win control of a megapolis of some 12 million people with a few thousand votes. Thus, whatever that the mayor and the municipality might decide to do, or not to do, would not reflect the real views of the Tehranis.

Mubarak should go as guest of the Iranian people. Rightly or wrongly, Egypt remains the most popular Arab country in Iran. In fact, many Iranians believe Egypt, despite its recent decline in relative importance, remains the key Arab world nation with which Iran should forge close relations. Also, many Iranians regard Anwar Sadat as a hero.

The political gangsters who have put the name of terrorists on Tehran streets did so, in part, to prevent people like Mubarak from going to Iran. This is precisely why Mubarak should not allow that trick to work.

Many world leaders have understood this. For example, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has visited Tehran five times in two years, ignoring the daily insult of having his embassy's door opening in a street named after an IRA terrorist.

Various French foreign ministers have also visited Tehran, ignoring the streets named after terrorists who killed more than two dozen French men and women in Paris in the 1980s. Mubarak should know that, at this juncture in history, Iran has two personae, locked in a conflict.

One persona is that of Iran as the embodiment of a revolution whose aim is to conquer, first the Muslim world and then the entire globe. That persona honours, finances and sponsors terrorists.

That persona is the enemy of Egypt, just as it is the enemy of the Iranian people. Under that persona Iran would be isolated from the world, with North Korea as a model. That isolation would enable the ideology of terrorism to perpetuate the fiction that Iran is the vanguard of a global revolution in the name of Islam.

But Mubarak's advisors would know that the murderous persona in question no longer represents the mainstream of Iranian politics. The other persona represents Iran as a nation-state whose interest is in developing the best of relations with all countries, especially one such as Egypt that is heir to a great civilisation. Let the Khomeinist gangsters cling to their terrorist icons. What matters is to show that their Middle East policy has hit a wall.

Khomeini had vowed to never allow a restoration of ties with Egypt unless the Egyptians tore up the Camp David accords that led to peace with Israel.

Well, the Egyptians have not done so, and their leader could go to Tehran to show that Khomeini was wrong to sever ties in the first place. Mubarak appearing in Tehran would be a moment of humiliation for those who wish people like-Islambouli to rule the Muslim world.

Bombarded with telephone calls

Anyone familiar with my writings will know that I am no great fan of President Mubarak. In recent days, however, I have been bombarded with telephone calls and e-mails from all over Iran asking me to spread the message that the Egyptian leader should go to Iran, and that his visit would be a blow to the hardliners on the eve of the Iranian general election.

In Tehran, Mubarak would show that the outside world, starting with the Muslim countries, is prepared to accept Iran as a friend and partner provided it abandons its revolutionary pretensions and terrorist projects. And that is the message that the overwhelming majority of Iranians wish to hear.

So, Mr. President Ahlan wa sahlan! Please do go to Iran. You have many more friends there than you think.

Amir Taheri is an Iranian author of 10 books on the Middle East and Islam. He's reachable through
6 posted on 12/25/2003 12:11:17 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Iranians are one of the most active Expatriate groups working against tyranny in their homeland. Recently when anti-government demonstrations broke out in Iran –Iranian expatriates in 72 world cities held demonstrations in support- the largest expatriate demonstration day against a regime pulled over 10 million on the streets across the entire world., an absolutely amazing figure considering there are only 65 million Iranian inside Iran. 40 world cities and 32 cities in the US came out in support of Freedom for Iran that day including Washington DC where several US Senators spoke in support.

Contacts were initiated via Iranian-American satellite television. 13 stations beam into millions of homes in Iran as well as across US and Europe regularly calling for demonstrations and initiatives. Estimates put the average Iranian population receiving satellite dish at 10-15%.

There was one group absent—or present and not there in heart--it’s a rarity to find a pro-Islamic Republic group—extremely rare---but that group is the NIAC.

• The NIAC was founded after it was revealed that the AIC members were in regular contacts with the Islamic Republic and had ranking members who were once members of the government.
• The ranking members of the NIAC including Trita Parisa have called for extensive negotiations with the Islamic Republic, and are closely aligned with the ‘reformist’ faction in Iran.
• Their website has consistently denounced activity against the Islamic Republic as ‘out of touch’ and attacked any type of funding for opposition groups, while endorsing the Islamic Republic’s factions.
• Attempting to ‘appear’ apolitical they will typically state opinion as ‘others’ opinions, but one wonders in a country where 85% of Iranians endorse regime change in Iran, how their own polls are so one-sided.
• Apparently their polls indicate 80% of Iranians endorsing the Islamic Republic’s reformist faction, one wonders how that’s possible when only 12% of Iranians inside Iran itself voted in recent elections
• After the elections when e-mails were sent about the results, the replies blamed the United States policy for the election boycott in Iran instead of voter apathy against the regime.
• Ranking officers have showed up on Iranian discussion boards Payvand aggressively attacking America, Israel, while using profanity and threatening insults to opposition figures, which far out numbered his ideology.
• Officer has acknowledged that he represents 10-15% of foreign based opposition who are actively working to undermine the opposition against the Islamic Republic.
• After 14 days of anti-Government demonstrations in Iran the NIAC were the only organization with nothing to say on the demonstrations except for a ‘poll’ asking whether the US should be involved in Iran’s ‘personal affairs’. Other words dubbing the demonstrations ‘US initiated demonstrations’
• One day after the demonstrations they ran a column calling for ties with the ‘hard-liners’ in Iran. You heard it right---not even the reformist, they called for ties with the hard-liners through one of their columns.
• Virtually all opposition groups know the NIAC as a front organization for the Islamic Republic of Iran receiving funds from Oil Companies, high-ranking members of the Islamic Republic, and those affiliated with the con-reformist agenda such as Guy Dinmore of Financial Times, Gary Sick, Elaine Scalanio of NY Times, Robin Wright of LA Times, and a slim group of others.
• The NIAC use their initiatives such as ‘sympathy for Iranian rights in the US’ and civic duties as front for their background activities.
• NIAC attacked the registration for Iranians after 9/11 as a sympathic initiative to pull activist and to under handedly endorse their policies
• They are a Tax-exempt organization receiving your Tax-dollars to undermine opposition movements inside and outside of Iran.

In several different contacts with the NIAC they have repeatedly stating that they’re non-aligned, apolitical, even claiming they have ‘members of AEI’, when asked who those members are they refuse to report.

When a close representative contacted the NIAC asking them various questions about their affiliation she consistently demanded that the NIAC ‘is apolitical’, ‘non-aligned’, but then proceeded to insult the caller when he demanded to know why there were insults about opposition figures on their website.

Contact the NIAC at 202-518-6187 let them know, you are aware of their activities and you will not allow them to undermine the demands of the Iranian people, nor will you allow them to steal your tax dollars for supporting the Islamic Republic.

We will not allow an Islamic Republic funded organization to destroy our Iran and fool a generation of good-hearted Iranians.
7 posted on 12/25/2003 12:11:51 AM PST by freedom44
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Iran to Rename Khaled al-Islambouli Street

December 24, 2003
The Jerusalem Post
Joseph Nasr

Tehran's Municipality plans to change a street's name from Khaled al-Islambouli, assassin of late Egyptian President Saddat, to Mohammad Dura, the Palestinian boy killed at Netzarim Crossing in September 2000, the London-based daily al-Hayat reported.

It was reported that the decision is part of the efforts aimed at improving relations between Egypt and Iran following the meeting between Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and his Iranian counterpart Mohammad Khatami in Geneva on December 13 - the first such high-level meeting in 24 years.

Iran honored Sadat's assassin by naming one of its streets al-Islambouli Street following the 1981 assassination by Khaled al-Islambouli , shortly after Egypt signed the Camp David peace agreement with Israel.

Iranian President Muhammad Khatami announced the resumption of negotiations between Iran and Egypt at a news conference in Tehran on Tuesday.

At a news conference, President Khatami said he hoped that negotiations will restore relations between Iran and Egypt. "The will of both sides is to work to remove all obstacles, which will lead to bringing the abruption of relations to an end."
8 posted on 12/25/2003 12:12:04 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Shamkhani: We Will Strike Israel with all Weapons at our Disposal

December 24, 2003
Dow Jones Newswires
The Associated Press

TEHRAN -- Iran's defense minister said Wednesday that his country would strike back with its long-range Shahab-3 missile if Israel attacked its nuclear facilities.

Ali Shamkhani was responding to comments made last month by Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz, who said Israel wouldn't permit Iran to develop nuclear weapons - a hint it was prepared to take unilateral military action.

"We will strike Israel with all weapons at our disposal if the Zionist regime ventures to do so," Shamkhani said in comments carried by the official Islamic Republic News Agency. He said the Shahab-3, able to reach Israel, would be used.

The Shahab-3, officially deployed to the military last July, has a range of about 1,300 kilometers. Israel is about 965 kilometers west of Iran.

Shamkhani's comments marked the second Iranian response in two days. On Tuesday, reporters outside parliament asked Shamkhani and President Mohamed Khatami about Mofaz's statement. The minister responded, "No place will be safe in Israel."

The president, meanwhile, scoffed at the Israeli words.

"Israel will make a damn mistake" if they attack Iran, Khatami said with a smile, in footage aired on state-run television.

Shamkhani said Wednesday that Mofaz's statement proved that Israel was "an evil entity."

"Israel is a fragile glass garrison," he said. "The Zionist leaders are cherishing the dream of a rule over the globe."

In 1981, Israel warplanes destroyed an Iraqi reactor under construction. Israel suspected that Iraq planned to use it to produce nuclear weapons.

Israel - and the U.S. - frequently charges that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and has often hinted at military action against Iran. Last month, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon took charge of Israel's efforts to thwart Iran's alleged nuclear weapons program.

Iran says its nuclear development program is to replace rapidly diminishing oil resources as a method for producing electricity.

Earlier this month, Iran signed a key accord with the International Atomic Energy Agency, opening its nuclear facilities to unfettered and unannounced inspections. The signing came after months of pressure from European nations and a U.S. push for Iran to be slapped with U.S. sanctions.

Earlier, an IAEA report charged that Iran covered up past nuclear programs, including enriching uranium and processing small amounts of plutonium, essential elements of nuclear weapons.

Addressing regional tension following the war on Iraq, Shamkhani said an arms race wouldn't help calm the region, and said the collapse of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein would help establish "sustainable security" in the Middle East.
9 posted on 12/25/2003 12:12:51 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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by Amir Taheri
December 24, 2003

Has France shot itself in the foot by trying to prevent the toppling of Saddam Hussein?

The question is keeping French foreign policy circles buzzing as the year draws to the close.

Even a month ago, few would have dared pose the question.

In denial mode, the French elite did not wish to consider the possibility that President Jacques Chirac may have made a mistake by leading the bloc that opposed the liberation of Iraq last March.

Now, however, the search is on for someone to blame for what the daily newspaper Liberation describes as "the disarray of French foreign policy."

There are several reasons for this.

The French have seen Saddam Hussein's capture on television and found him not worthy of the efforts that their government deployed to prolong his rule. They have also seen the Iranian mullahs agreeing to curtail their nuclear programme under the threat of US military action. And just this week they saw Muammar al-Kaddhafi, possibly the most egocentric windbag among despots, crawl into a humiliating surrender to the " Anglo-Saxons".

The fact that France was not even informed of the Kaddhafi deal is seen in Paris as particularly painful.

The episode provoked some cacophony at the top of the French state.

On Monday, the Defence Minister , Mrs. Michelle Alliot-Marie, claimed that Paris had been informed of the deal with Libya. Moments later, Dominique de Villepin, the Foreign Minister, denied any knowledge. Chirac was forced to intervene through his Elysee spokeswoman who tried to pretend that the French knew what was afoot but not directly from the US and Britain.

Some French commentators believe that the Bush administration is determined to isolate France and "teach her a lesson" as punishment for the French campaign in favour of Saddam.

" Vengeance is a hamburger that is eaten cold," writes Georges Dupuy in Liberation. "The fingerprint of the United States could be detected in the setbacks suffered by France's diplomacy."

A similar analysis is made by some academics and politicians.

"France over did it," says Dominique Moisi, a foreign policy researcher close to the Chirac administration. "Our opposition to the war was principled. But the way we expressed it was excessive. The Americans might have accepted such behaviour from Russia, but not from France which was regarded as an ally and friend."

Moisi describes as "needlessly provocative" the campaign that Villepin conducted last spring to persuade Security Council members to vote against the US-backed draft resolution on Iraq, He says that the Chirac administration did not understand the impact of the 9/11 tragedy on America's view of the world.

Pierre Lellouche, a member of parliament, claims that the US has "a deliberate strategy to isolate France, echoing what happened during the Iraqi crisis."

There is no doubt that France has suffered a number of diplomatic setbacks in the past year or so. But not all were linked to the Iraq issue or, as many French believe, the result of score-settling by Washington.

Soon after winning his second term as president last year, Chirac quarrelled with British Prime Minister Tony Blair over a range of European issues. The two were not on speaking term for almost six months.

Chirac then had a row with Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi after a French minister described the Italian leader as a "dangerous populist".

In the course of the past year Chirac has also quarrelled with Spain's Prime Minister Jose-Maria Aznar, both about Iraq and on a range of European issues. Last spring Chirac invited the leaders of central and eastern European nations to "shut up" after they published an op-ed in support of US policy on Iraq.

In September France decided to ignore the European Stability Pact, the cornerstone of the euro, to accommodate the biggest budget deficit of any European Union member. And last month, Chirac together with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, provoked a diplomatic fight with Poland and Spain, thus preventing the adoption of the much-advertised European Union Constitution.

France's policy in the Middle East and Africa is also in a mess.

France's passionate campaign to keep Saddam in power won no plaudits from the Arabs.

Many Arab leaders regard France as a maverick power that could get them involved in an unnecessary, and ultimately self-defeating, conflict with the United States.

"I cannot imagine what Chirac was thinking," says a senior Saudi official on condition of anonymity. "How could he expect us to join him in preventing the Americans from solving our biggest problem which was the presence of Saddam Hussein in power in Baghdad?"

Another senior Arab diplomat, from Egypt, echoes the sentiment.

"The French did not understand that the Arabs desired the end of Saddam, although they had to pretend that this was not the case," he says.

In Africa, the recent Libyan accord with Britain and the US deals a severe blow to French prestige. Libya is the most active member of the African Union and its exclusion of France, also from talks on compensation for victims of Libyan terrorism, sets an example for other African nations.

To be fair, France is trying to repair some of the damage it has done to itself, and its allies, by trying to prolong Saddam's rule.

This month, Chirac unrolled the red carpet for a delegation from the Iraqi Governing Council which had been described by Villepin as "an American tool" a few weeks earlier.

France has also agreed to write-off part of the Iraqi debt and to side with the US and Britain in convening the Paris Club of creditor nations to give new Iraq a helping hand.

And, yet, it is unlikely that France can restore its credibility without a reform of the way its foreign policy is made.

Villepin may end up as the scapegoat .

Liberation complains about what it sees as Villepin's decision to "practice the art of eating humble pie" by praising the Anglo-American success in Libya.

"What happened to Villepin's flamboyance?" the paper demands. "How far have we come from the famous French Arab and African policies!"

But to blame all on Villepin, a rather excitable amateur poet, is unfair. In France, foreign policy is the exclusive domain of the president, with the foreign minister acting as his secretary.

The system was created by General De Gaulle, a larger than life figure, in 1958, and a time that France, involved in the Algerian war and under attack from the Soviet bloc and its French Communist allies in the context of the Cold War, needed a single foreign policy voice.

Since then the world has changed and France with it.

It is not normal that France should be the only major democracy in which the prime minister and his Cabinet and the parliament, not to mention he political parties and the media, have virtually no say in shaping foreign policy.

The cliché about foreign policy being " the domain of the president" is an insult to democracy.

Had France had the debates over Iraq that other democracies, notably the United States and Britain, organised at all levels, especially in their respective legislatures, it is more than possible that Chirac would not have been able to impose a pro-Saddam strategy that was clearly doomed to failure.

France might have ended up opposing the war, all the same, as did Germany. But it would not have become involved in an active campaign against its allies and in favour of an Arab despot.

France must certainly review its foreign policy. But what it needs even more urgently is a reform of its institutions to end the monarchic aspects of the Fifth Republic.

Amir Taheri is an Iranian author of 10 books on the Middle East and Islam. He's reachable through .
10 posted on 12/25/2003 12:14:16 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Dissident Arrests in Iran

Voice of America - Editorial
Dec 25, 2003

An Iranian cabdriver faces a lengthy prison term, perhaps even the death penalty, for attaching a sticker to the rear window of his car that said only, “The era of arrogant rulers is over."

Ali Akbar Najafi is charged with acting against national security. His attorney says Mr. Najafi was arrested in Tehran in June and kept blindfolded in solitary confinement for fifty-three days. Mr. Najafi goes on trial December 28th. He has asked Nobel Peace Prize laureate Shirin Ebadi to represent him.

As the National Coalition of Pro-Democracy Advocates reports, such arrests are on the rise. The Iranian-American human rights group’s president, Haydar Akbari, says the Iranian government is abusing students, women, minorities and anyone who strays from the party line:

"The human rights situation [is] getting worse and worse because the regime is losing its support by the people day by day. That's the reason we're seeing more uprisings from the students and all categories of the society."

Mr. Najafi’s arrest in June coincided with a flood of pro-democracy protests in Iran. Thousands of people took to the streets to oppose the Islamic fundamentalist regime and to call for more political, social, and economic freedom. Some four-thousand people were arrested. One of those was Canadian-Iranian photojournalist Zahra Kazemi.

On June 23rd, Ms. Kazemi was arrested while taking photographs of families trying to see relatives being held at Evin prison in Tehran. According to the National Coalition of Pro-Democracy Advocates, she was interrogated for seventy-seven hours, then was killed by a blow to the head while still in custody. While charges have been filed in the case and an open trial is to be held, there are still many unanswered concerns about how the case is being handled. Shirin Ebadi, who is representing the Kazemi family, has complained publicly that she has not been given access to the case files.

In the words of President George W. Bush, “In Iran, the demand for democracy is strong and broad. The regime in Iran,” he said, “must heed the democratic demands of the Iranian people, or lose its last claim to legitimacy."
11 posted on 12/25/2003 12:15:18 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: DoctorZIn
The Birth of Jesus Foretold
Isaiah 9:6 (About 700 years before birth of Jesus)
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Read or Print the Book of Isaiah in Persian (Farsi) or (English)

Gospel of Luke 2:11-12
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.
This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."
Read or Print the entire Gospel of Luke in Persian (Farsi) or (English)

12 posted on 12/25/2003 12:22:34 AM PST by freedom44
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To: DoctorZIn; Pan_Yans Wife; nuconvert; F14 Pilot; Cyrus the Great; Persia

Magi (Majusian) From old Persian language, a priest of Zarathustra (Zoroaster). The Bible gives us the direction, East and the legend states that the wise men were from Persia (Iran) - Balthasar, Melchior, Caspar - thus being priests of Zarathustra religion, the mages. Obviously the pilgrimage had some religious significance for these men, otherwise they would not have taken the trouble and risk of travelling so far. But what was it? An astrological phenomenon, the Star?

Gospel of Matthew 2:1-12 - Magi in Search of Christ After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him." When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. When he had called together all the people's chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Christ was to be born. "In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written: "`But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will be the shepherd of my people Israel.'" Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. He sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and make a careful search for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him." After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen in the east went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. And having been warned in a dream
13 posted on 12/25/2003 12:24:45 AM PST by freedom44
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To: faludeh_shirazi; democracy; Cyrus the Great; nuconvert; Persia; RunOnDiesel
NIAC--please contact them let them know you know who's funding their projects
14 posted on 12/25/2003 12:27:31 AM PST by freedom44
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To: DoctorZIn
December 2003

We take this opportunity to wish you a season of love, joy and peace as we celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

We are happy to report that two refugee families in Seoul, Korea now have Canadian sponsors. This means that now the Korean government will probably not deport them to Iran. Recently the Korean government has begun deporting refugees who have been in Korea for over three years. An Iranian Christian refugee in Sweden also now has a Canadian sponsor. We will soon document his case. The same is true for an Iranian Christian refugee in Germany. Please remember

I testified about the persecution of Christians in Iran before an immigration judge in October and he withdrew the order of deportation of an Iranian Christian.

Two new Iranian Christian refugee families have arrived in Turkey in September and October. We are assisting with their case for the U.N.

ICI and Talim Ministries are planning a Christian conference for ministers among Iranians. It will be held June 26-30, 2004 in Colorado Springs. ICI is cosponsoring an Iranian Christian conference in late July 2004 near Frankfurt, Germany. Details will become available soon.

The book 10,000 Muslims Meet Christ, a book about Iranian Christians, is going through final editing and will soon go to the printer. The ICI bookstore processed 370 book orders during October 2002-September 2003. One order was $8,600, our largest ever order. This clearly shows that Iranians are being reached for Christ in increasing numbers.

Through the generous donations of an Iranian Christian family and a Christian grant agency, ICI now has a new computer network. In addition to offering greater efficiency, the new system gives us greater desk top publishing capability in the English and Persian languages.

Thank you for your faithful prayer and financial support of God’s work among Iranians.

Have a Joyous Christmas and a Happy New Year

We thank God for your love, prayer and financial support.

Yours in Christ,

Abe Ghaffari
15 posted on 12/25/2003 12:31:54 AM PST by freedom44
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To: DoctorZIn
Another Iranian Christian
pays the ultimate price

"Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that
they might gain a better resurrection... they were stoned;
they were sawn in two; they were put to death by the sword...
the world was not worthy of them."

--Hebrews 11: 37-38.

Iranian Assemblies of God pastor Mohammad Bagher Yusefi has been
found dead in a forest near his home city of Sari, the capital of
the north western Iranian province Mazandaran. Mohammad Yusefi left
his house at 6 o'clock in the morning on Saturday 28th September
for prayer and never returned. Later that evening his family were
contacted by the local authorities who said his body had been
discovered hanging from a tree. Although the authorities say they
are investigating Yusefi's death, there can hardly be any doubt
that he has been martyred because he was a Christian leader from
a Muslim background. Mohammad Yusefi was the pastor of the Assemblies
of God churches in Mazandaran, and had recently been responsible for
seeing the church grow in size in the city of Gorgan. Mohammad Yusefi
had also raised two sons of Rev. Mehdi Dibaj while he was in prison
for 9 years because he refused to deny his faith in Christ.

Sixty year old Rev. Dibaj was released after an international campaign,
but was murdered three months later in similar circumstances. Yusefi's
body is expected to be released by the authorities today and a Christian
funeral is planned for Saturday 5th October.

Thirty four year old Mohammad Bagher Yusefi, was born in a Muslim family,
but became a Christian as a young man. He was a very committed Christian,
a gifted evangelist and pastor. He became known as Ravanbakhsh which in
Persian means "Soul Giver". Those who knew him were especially struck by
his gentleness and humility. He loved music and wrote many indigenous
Mazandarani Christian songs.

Mohammad Bagher Yusefi leaves behind his wife, Akhtar, who is also a
committed Christian from a Muslim background, and two children, a
daughter Ramsina aged 9 and a son, Stephen aged 7. Akhtar became a
Christian under the ministry of Rev. Hossein Soodmand who was martyred
in 1990. The grieving family will be comforted by the prayers of
Christians around the world as this sad news reaches them.

According to strict Islamic law Muslims who change their religion
should be killed. Mohammad Bagher Yusefi is the seventh Christian
leader to be killed in Iran since the 1979 revolution. At the
beginning of the revolution the Anglican Church, which was mainly
made up of converts from Islam was attacked. Rev. Sayyah the priest
in Shiraz had his throat cut, and Bahram Deghani-Tafti, the son of
the Anglican bishop, was shot. More recently Islamic hostility to
Christianity has concentrated on the Assemblies God churches as
Muslims are becoming Christians in their churches. In December 1990
Rev. Soodmand, the leader of the church in Mashad, was executed by
hanging in a prison in Mashad and then in January 1994 Bishop Haik
Hovsepian Mehr and in July, the same year, Rev. Mehdi Dibaj were
killed. Also in that year the sixty-two year old leader of the
Presbyterian church, Rev. Tateos Michaelian, was murdered after
taking over Bishop Hovsepian's position as Chairman of the Protestant
Council of Ministers.

Though grieving at the moment the leaders of the church in Iran are
determined to continue the work of preaching the Gospel. They fully
believe the words of the great early church leader, Tertullian, "that
the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church" and are expecting
the church to grow.

With a population of over 65 million and influence over much of the
Middle East and Central Asia, Iran represents a great challenge to the
world-wide church.

Though small and living in constant danger of persecution, the church
in Iran has been a faithful witness. Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution
Iranians have become responsive to the Gospel and many have become

The martyrdom of Mohammad Bagher Yusefi echoes a Macedonian call
to Christians around the world to partner Iranian Christians in
proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ by all possible means to the
Persian Speaking World.

The Iranian people are an extremely tolerant population who love Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, etc.. And Iranian Muslims are extremely pro-Christian, and other religious minorities.. they're disgusted by the pan-arabist, terrorist aligned regime in Iran.. When will this regime wither, and what happens when they die? is it fair for them all to die?

16 posted on 12/25/2003 12:39:37 AM PST by freedom44
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; fat city; freedom44; Tamsey; Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom; McGavin999; Hinoki Cypress; ...
An important article about one of the most visible Iranian organizations in the US. Please read. -- DoctorZin

17 posted on 12/25/2003 12:50:22 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: freedom44
"Go and make a careful search for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him."

Some things never change. Herod's deceptive order to go and find the Christ child so he may worship Him also (but really so that he could kill him) has the same style as another new day leader: Saddam Hussein.

18 posted on 12/25/2003 3:08:21 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: freedom44; SJackson; MeeknMing; yonif; Salem
"Although the authorities say they are investigating Yusefi's death, there can hardly be any doubt that he has been martyred because he was a Christian leader from a Muslim background."

Can there be any doubt that if left unchecked in America, Islam has the same goal for all Christians - to destroy Christianity and Judaism?

19 posted on 12/25/2003 3:15:46 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: Happy2BMe; DoctorZIn; yall

20 posted on 12/25/2003 7:10:20 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Hillary is a TRAITOR !!:
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