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To: Nick Danger
What surprizes me is that we haven't had the usual "You can't do that...we'd either become extinct or over-run by foreigner!" argument thrown up at anyone who thinks opting out of this nonsence is just "stupid."

Most people go along with these laws and courts that screw fathers because they bought the lie that it would save them money in welfare. And they still keep believing it even though the government spends more and more money every year. The truth is, none of them will care until it happens to them.
30 posted on 12/25/2003 12:20:04 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: Orangedog
The truth is, none of them will care until it happens to them.

By now, just about everyone either knows someone, or has a relative, that this has happened to. This thread is so different from what a comparable one would have been like ten years ago that I see tremendous progress.

What's happening here with the laws is a death spiral. If you map out the forces operating on it, you can quickly see that the only thing it can do is get worse. So the issue isn't how you turn that around, it's what you can do to warn younger men in time to keep them from getting caught up in it. I see a lot of progress there; all these articles we see about "why won't young men commit?" are evidence to me that the message is sinking in: "marriage and family" is not a safe thing to do with your life anymore. Men have zero rights, are guilty until proven innocent, and won't even get due process at that. So just stay away from it. Let the government have its fun with whomever they can suck into it, but men with brains should stay out of the target environment.

When these pills come out, that's going to be one more way to stay out of the target environment.

Yeah, we'll become extinct or the foreigners will take over. So what? A society that estranges fathers from their children on a wholesale basis collapses. If that comes as a surprise to anybody, it's because they either didn't really think of men as being human, or because they weren't thinking at all.

31 posted on 12/25/2003 12:50:29 PM PST by Nick Danger ( With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.)
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