POLL: Would you support a temporary work visa for illegal aliens?

Lou Dobbs ^ | 12/25/03

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Would you support a temporary work visa for illegal aliens?

[winker]

We cannot repeat cannot under any circumstances allow entry into the United States EXCEPT for legal permanent residence where by they establish a permanent Address and acquire our system of identification(FINGERPRINTS) and be logged on to the tax rolls so they can enjoy not only the freedom of America but join the rest of us TAX Paying Citizens in fighting ILLEGAL Border Jumping BANDITS! This stupid asinine Question is just another point of illogical liberal drivel drooling idiocy to confuse the pea size braindead pin headed minions who follow the hook in the nose mentality of socialism being willing to to be TAXED TO THE POINT of no return. WE need first to know who they are, what they are, how they got here, who their sponsor was if any, and how long they have been here illegally? Take your temporary work visa and insert it sideways where the MOON DOES NOT SHINE!

[FITZ]

Hard question --- if the Mexican government provided them health insurance or paid all the health care costs --- and education costs of the children of their citizens working here in this country? And out of all that vast oil wealth paid the housing costs instead of insisting that be done by US taxpayers?

Or if their own employers really valued their labor that much that they were paid a wage and insurance benefits so that they would be no burden on taxpayers at all? Of course if they paid them well enough so they needed no government assistance, Americans would likely do those jobs and illegals wouldn't be hired.

Or in exchange -- a compromise that would ban ALL immigrants --- any kind of foreigner from getting government --- taxpayer provided handouts of any kind? I could see letting in ONLY self-reliant workers if all the welfare moochers would be sent out. That would be over 40% of the legal immigrants from Mexico that we'd have to kiss goodbye if we did that.

[Polybius]

We cannot function without them. ..... Look at your gardener.

Are you calling my wife an illegal alien?

[Pa' fuera]

This ain't no hate site. No hate mongering goin on round here. Nooooooo.

Oh, good afternoon Mr. Dees. Nice of you to drop in. Don't you have Christmas turkeys to distribute, or do you just pretend to care about the poor?

[EGPWS]

This ain't no hate site.

Well, you haven't been 100% wrong in your postings anyway...

[FITZ]

But nobody wants to admit that every single one of us benifits from their labor.

If you hire an illegal to rake your leaves ---- that benefits me in no way whatsoever --- and it doesn't even benefit you when the wind blows your neighbors leaves into your yard and your yard is in need of raking again. If you hire someone to babysit your kids illegally --- that benefits me in no way whatsover.

But it's doubtful that those employers of those illegals are interested in paying for their illegals hospital bill or housing costs or the tuition it takes to educate their kids. All illegal labor is, is taxpayer subsidized labor that benefits only a handful --- their immediate employers ---- certainly not the rest of us.

[Dan Evans]

Our economy needs their labor like we need oil from the ME.

America was able to function before we were invaded with illegals and we can do it again. There are plenty of folks in this country who are willing to do menial labor.

You say we need more illegals, I say we need more Hutterites:

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[glockmeister40]

But nobody wants to admit that every single one of us benifits from their labor. Every day and most every way.

More liberal crap. We benefit from their subsidized labor? Hardly.

Americans are the toughest, most determined people on the planet. There are many of us who will fill their jobs when this pestilence is finally over. Wages will rise and working conditions will get better because our citizens won't tolerate being exploited.

I got a real hard time justifying illegal aliens when so many of OUR people are still getting pink slips in this job-less economic recovery.

I'm really sorry things are so shitty down in mexico. Maybe if illegals did't have six kids each they wouldn't worry so much about starvation. Irresponsible behavior to the max. Mexico's problems are not our problems. Mexico is a totally corrupt, third-world oligarachy. Mexicans are the only people who are going to fix their problems.

[FITZ]

We gotta do something!

Why? What does doing something suddenly take on such great importance? There are legal work visas already in place --- there is plenty --- far more than needed, legal immigration that these people chose to ignore. They chose the illegal route --- it's working out quite well for them when they've got over a billion dollars a month they can send back to Mexico --- plus many already receive plenty of taxpayer assistance and programs right now --- without being legal.

In reality once they're handed legality, they can no longer work those below minimum wage jobs they supposedly came to do ---- which is only true of some --- what then? Their employers would need to import more illegals to do the hard work at low wages that Americans and legals don't want or need to do. They aren't going to die if they are left illegal --- plus when they cause trouble, they're easier to deport that way.

[Pa' fuera]

America was able to function before we were invaded with illegals and we can do it again. There are plenty of folks in this country who are willing to do menial labor.

even if we did need the labor, we could drop anchor at any friendly third world port in the world and fill up cargo ship after cargo ship with people who

1 -- would be willing to work for a fraction of what Mexicans are paid

2 -- would be thankful for the opportunity, respectful of our laws and traditions, and would be willing to do whatever was necessary to integrate into our society

what is patently false is that we depend on and must have Mexicans laborers. Yet that is what the two presidentes (Bush and Fox) believe.

[varon]

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[pageonetoo]

Common sense can, sometimes, be penned a little better. But the responses are due to your stated liberal tendencies.

Your statements are an affront to Americans. We may have become lazy, by not having to take care of ourselves, but that doesn't mean that we can't do the things that these illegals are doing. Just because they are in the kitchen, or the garden, does not make them legal, or wanted. The biggest problem, that I see, is that our nanny-statists will cover those who don't want to work.

Take away welfare programs, and sterilize the women that continue to be baby factories. Let them take care of the children of those wishing to work, away from their kids. Leave charity up to the church, where it belongs.

Sound harsh? This country is not about taking care of illegals. It wasn't started to be a welfare state. It is up to Americans to cut their own grass, pick their own veggies,or make enough to pay someone to do it! There is nothing wrong with migrant workers, and legal immigrants. There is a lot wrong with supporting illegals, in the USA!

[DustyMoment]

Actually, there was a time when I would; however, the crappy job that INS and DHS do at tracking and deporting these folks in addition to the huge drain they place on all of our social services has caused me to change my mind.

We simply can't afford'em and no one wants'em here. Perhaps Mr. Dobbs will send Mssrs. Bush and Ridge the results of this poll; they may want to re-think their immigration reform, although I doubt it. Bush is pretty hung up on eliminating our southern border.

[Dan Evans]

Everybody is against them but everybody enjoys their labor. I wonder what this looks like from God's perspective? OK ... so from an extra-terrestrial neutral perspective? I just don't think people are rational on this issue.

I saw a poll of Mexican citizens the other day. Over half of them believe that the American southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico. Mexican immigrants (legal and illegal) are already electing politicians who are deliberately lax about enforcing immigration laws.

What will you do when the day comes when they decide to take "take their country back"? Why should we allow people into this country who we know want to take it from us. Is that rational?

[Pa' fuera]

Mexican immigrants (legal and illegal) are already electing politicians who are deliberately lax about enforcing immigration laws.

anti-illegal immigration politicians don't exist in Mexico. Taking that stance is a death sentence to the political career of whoever tries it.

[FreeFireBorderZone]

Saying we can't manage without illegals is rubbish. Just how did society function 50 years ago. Americans can wash their own cars,clean their homes, and mow their own lawns.If they did so perhaps obessity would no longer be the number one killer. exporting jobs and simultaneously importing labour is destroying our society. Failure to defend our borders ,language and culture renders our history traditions and sovereignity irrelevant.

[mercy]

****There is a lot wrong with supporting illegals, in the USA!****

I am not.

I'm saying that something has to be done. The situation as it stands is immoral and an offense to Christian values. We must have several million laborers of the type we now refer to as illegals and that is just a plain fact. To argue otherwise is naive.

We are all guilty is my position. We all benefit from thier cheap labor and we have forced them into a slave labor condition and we treat them inhumanely. We must all be ready to pay more for just about everything and find a way to cure the existing diseased system.

Foolproof IDs. NO leniency for imployers who cheat. Jail time for hiring non ID bearing workers.

[Dan Evans]

Yes, but we can also use the services of a controlled number of people to work here for a specific time period and return to their country of origin when that work ends.

I think we should learn how to get along without the services of foreigners. A guest worker program is just the first step. The instant the program begins, liberals will start agitating for full rights for these "second-class-citizens".

[mercy]

****Just how did society function 50 years ago?****

Same way. My father and his brothers all liked Mexican food. They learned to eat it from the mexican railroad workers of the thirties and forties. We used to bring in Chinese 'slaves'. Witness the China-towns in every major city. This nation was built on labor. Labor, Land and Capital. That's all there is.

Every Western society imports labor. It is just the way it is. Period.

[FITZ]

We are all guilty is my position. We all benefit from thier cheap labor

Again --- how? I benefit in no way whatsoever from the labor of your illegal employee. I know women who hire illegal maids to clean their homes and babysit their children. My children were sent to a legal citizen babysitter who wasn't an immigrant. How does it help me that someone else paid $30 a week but takes that cheap nanny to the county hospital the minute they start acting sick?