Teens plan anti-governor march/Latino group's protest of license law repeal/Million Kids vs Arnold

San Jose Mercury News ^ | 26 December 2003 | Edwin Garcia

[CounterCounterCulture]

Teens plan anti-governor march

LATINO GROUP'S PROTEST OF LICENSE LAW REPEAL TO STOP IN S.J. MONDAY

By Edwin Garcia
Mercury News

A group of Bay Area teenagers has it in for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Angry that the movie star-turned-politician abolished a law that would have let illegal immigrants apply for driver's licenses, the teens are trying to persuade a million students to join them in a statewide protest against Schwarzenegger -- and anyone else who has opposed licenses for the undocumented.

Latino Focus, a Redwood City-based group of about 50 students, plans to boycott Schwarzenegger's movies, mount a large-scale voter registration campaign and organize a Million Student March on Cinco de Mayo, or May 5.

Most of the group's members have friends and relatives who don't qualify for driver's licenses because of their illegal status, so they are determined to show that Schwarzenegger is ``excluding immigrants from something they need to make their lives better,'' said Yvette Perez, 15, one of the group's leaders.

A spokeswoman for Schwarzenegger declined to comment on the effort, but suggested that the governor early next year may consider a new law, more restrictive than the one he repealed, to allow some illegal immigrants to obtain licenses.

[CounterCounterCulture]

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[BenLurkin]

Kinda sad when folks expect that big crowds will march in favor of ordinary criminals.

[rellimpank]

---may it be as successful as the "general strike" of a few weeks ago---

[John Jorsett]

Of course, they could easily use driver's licenses issued by their home countries, because those are recognized here, but no one ever seems to mention that. If they believe in truth in advertising, they ought to just say, "We don't want a border."

[DustyMoment]

Stupid government educated teenagers . . . Trix are for dimwits!!

Licenses are for responsible, LEGAL citizens of the US, NOT for illegal immigrants.

[FierceDraka]

For one thing, they're illegals. Tough noogies. For another, they're teenagers, and can't vote. Double tough noogies.

[oncebitten]

Sounds like an excellent opportunity to "line up the buses". Mass arrests, screening for illegals then load 'em up and deport.

[gulfcoast6]

Want to see it stopped fast? Just put the word out that lots of Immigration officers are going to be there.

[King Prout]

Million Kids vs Arnold

"IT'S NODDA TOOOMAH!"

[Richard-SIA]

The only proper response is to send in large teams of INS agents, round up the illegals, and deport them.
Maybe they can get a drivers license in Mexico!

[Odyssey-x]

Teenagers repeat back what they are told which is why their leftist high school teachers love to use them as spokespeople. I don't really take people's political opinions seriously until they are at least in college. If a kid tells me he likes Bush I say, "that's cute" but really this whole children being an authority on complex political issues is really silly.

[Baynative]

When I lived in claifornia I saw latino youths marching in protest everyday. I think they were marching in protest of education on their way to hang out at the mall and deal some crack.

[goldstategop]

Let's see: the kids can't pressure Vicente Fox to give them Mexican drivers' licenses? The entitlement mentality is at work among illegal aliens and they expect this country to give them everything but they don't even feel a shred of loyalty towards it or what? If it were up to me, I'd just as soon send the lot of 'em packing back to Mexico. Its about time.

[FITZ]

Million Student March on Cinco de Mayo, or May 5.

Marching is good --- maybe they'll get used to the idea of walking.

[txdoda]

For one thing, they're illegals. Tough noogies. For another, they're teenagers, and can't vote. Double tough noogies.>>>>>>>


Yes, but I *wonder* how many of these teens are 'legal-American Anchor Babies'?? Who WILL be voting in a few years.

And it looks like they already know who they're backing. I'm sure *someone* has explained *moter-voter* to them also.

Where's all the folks that say these second generations go on to become 'good Americans' ??

[FITZ]

They can easily obtain a Mexican drivers license ---- you can buy them illegally in any border town --- I'm sure their nearest Consulate office will be glad to accomodate them --- just that Mexican license won't help them get back and forth over the border illegally at the legal ports of entry or a whole lot of other goodies. I know illegals who drive with their Mexican license and even have insurance ---- they're legal as far as the roads go.

[Missouri]

PING.

[janetgreen]

They're just not getting the hint that American citizens are sick of having Mexico forcibly shoved down our throats.

[Missouri]

Yea. I bet Schwarzenegger shaking in his boots over these childrens threat.

[brooklin]

Thank God someone finally mentioned that the Illegals don't need a US license. Whenever I have traveled abroad, my drivers license was good enough.

[brooklin]

What if we, the U.S., annexed Mexico? We already beat them once, and all that we got was the southwest. Why not take the whole thing? ;/

[Polybius]

``excluding immigrants from something they need to make their lives better,''

By that reasoning, we should abolish the crime of bank robbery as it is excluding all of us from somthing we all need to make our lives better.

"Immigrant" is not synonymous with "illegal alien". These people don't seem to have any concept of the meaning of the word "illegal".

[Polybius]

What if we, the U.S., annexed Mexico? We already beat them once, and all that we got was the southwest. Why not take the whole thing? ;/

Do you really want to have 100,349,766 more Democrats than we already have?

[GiveEmDubya]

To be fully honest, I will concede that the majority of people in my age group are either utterly unconcerned with matters of consequence (political issues, etc) or are spoonfed leftist lies (but most don't care anyway).

Thank God for me, many of my teachers are not leftists (but I'm sure college will change that).

As for not taking the opinions of minors seriously--well, it's not a great situation I am in. I am closing rapidly on majority (18), but I have been told that since I can't vote I might as well cower to the corner, keep my mouth shut and watch Madonna go at it with Britney Spears. Yet I have also noticed that I can string together more coherent policy positions that most of the adults I know. I heard on C-SPAN once that a caller felt that children should not be reflected in congressional seat distribution at all since we cannot vote and we're "not constituents." Hey, at the Constitutional Convention, even slaves were counted as 3/5 of a person, and some want to treat us like 0. Not saying you are one of them, but I just wanted to point out how many adults concoct the false conception that all teens are lost until adulthood.

There are conservative teens on Free Republic. I have had chats with several of them. And we ain't gonna split. We may have 'cute' opinions but at least a handful of us have thought them all the way through and have a solid set of principles to believe in.

The fact, as evidenced by this article, that there is a large contingent of lefty kook teens is true. I go toe to toe with them all the time. But there is also a large number of apathetic teens (obviously). The 18-29 voting demographic, IIRC, is the least likely to vote and those who do vote tend to be more liberal. I blame the touchy-feely consequence-free education system and the lack of parenting. Still, some of us do get it.

We are not by any means authorities on political issues, nor do some of us try to be (the liberal "enlightened" ones, however...) I think the fact that SOME of us understand the state of affairs now is great and not to be discouraged.

Believe me, when I see articles about these teens marching against Arnold or the anti-war classroom walkout that didn't happen where I live makes me roll my eyes as much as yours. Furthermore, I think some people's opinions shouldn't be taken seriously before, during, or AFTER college. I just wanted to point out, on behalf of myself and every other conservative teen here, that not only do some of us know what we're talking about, but that there is a little hope for future generations.

[Dante3]

I sure hope INS or whatever will round up these "teeagers." No special perks for criminals, especially foreign criminals out to deamge this country.

[Pro-Bush]

What nerve they have to protest when they should be thankful that they are even here in America. These Illegals should feel lucky that the la migra is not knocking down their doors to deport them. This is total crap, I am sick of it.

[I_Love_My_Husband]

They should all be rounded up and sent back home.

George W. Bush, are you listening while Rome burns? We in the border states are Rome.

[B4Ranch]

Very well said!

[Choose Ye This Day]

Good post, great insights. Thankfully, there are teens like you. Unfortunately, you're somewhat of a rarity.

My 12-year-old niece is a prime example of what Odyssey was talking about. She has NO clue on ANY major issue--war, national security, abortion, environment, etc.--but she HATES George W. Bush with a fiery vengeance. She's simply parroting all the liberal claptrap she hears from her mom and her teachers. I've probed and asked questions--there's no logic or reasoning there, just some ill-informed factoids and sound bites. I go to her school and it's immediately and painfully evident that she's in the majority.

You're right, of course. Being of majority age is no guarantee that one has a functioning cerebrum. There are plenty of idiot adult voters who merely spew the claptrap and lies they hear from friends, coworkers, and the presstitutes of the mainstream media.

I'll take seriously the opinion of anyone who has thought the issue through. I may vehemently (but not violently) disagree with their opinion, but I'll at least respect them for having a reason for holding it.

I hope to hear more from young whippersnappers like you.

[GiveEmDubya]

Thanks to you and B4 for the nice comments.

I have long known that I am, in my current state, as rare as a benevolent teacher's union. I know MANY prime examples of what Odyssey was talking about, and in the majority of cases, the poster was right about people my age.

Once upon a time, I was accused by friends of simply repeating issue positions held by my parents and that I had no views of my own. Today, not only do most of my friends fail to connect the dots on ANY issue of importance, but they are the ones who are simply repeating a view they heard.

It is almost sick that the electorate is in--in terms of information. The knowledge on the issues is out there and it doesn't take very long to find--if you're looking for it, that is. For adults and teens alike, politics has no chance of knocking out parties or MP3 downloads or whatever normal people my age do. ;)

It was a real struggle during the Iraq war (more precisely, before it happened). I spent every day having to clean up the slime from the liberals that was being spread on thick by a handful of classmates whose views would probably make Mao proud. I always proved them wrong yet they couldn't hear me because they were too busy attacking the content of my character!

I am reading Slander by Ann Coulter right now (Treason is next up on my reading list). I am only about a chapter in and the book is dead on with the utter lies that liberals--journalists, politicians, Marxist professors--shovel onto the pile. Here's the kicker...the youth of the nation believe it! Parents inculcate no values system, liberal teachers propagate the lack of values, and the media all-out promotes an amoral, those-eeeeeevil-conservatives society. I, for one, will not fall into the trap.

[ladyinred]

If only the INS would be there too. Remember the good old days when they used to deport illegal aliens?

[vaudine]

in reply to Yvette's remark,,,"excluding immigrants from something they need to make their lives better..." Gee, Yvette, these immigrants (read illegals) need to go home to make our lives better over here. I'll march for that!

vaudine

[JustPiper]

Maybe some Freeper's could be there for their own rally?

[Choose Ye This Day]

Slander's excellent. You've already seized the main idea of Ann Coulter's book: when liberals' argument, facts and logic fail them (as almost always happens) they immediately jump to the ad hominems.

Treason is great as well. More history--whereas Slander is current events, etc.

You're already well-advanced on the conservative belief and knowledge spectrum, but you may also want to check out Dinesh D'Souza'a Letters to a Young Conservative. You already know most of what's in there, but the arguments are so clearly laid out and supported, that it might be a good book for some of your fence-sitting friends.

I have to admit, I once WAS one of these young skulls full of liberal mush. I grew up in a Democrat household, in a working class part of town, and voting Dem was just SOP. My first time voting in a presidential election, I am saddened to admit, I voted for Michael Dukakis (oh, the shame). For me, it took spending a couple years outside of the U.S. to appreciate how good we have it here, and gaining a moral and theological belief in moral absolutes to help me see the errors of my left-leaning ways. Then, along came a program called "The Rush Limbaugh Show"...and the rest is history.

[AmericanVictory]

It's hard to see how this wont help the Governator in the present California Climate. Hang ten on that backlash wave, Governator, she's a biggie!

[B4Ranch]

Young independent thinking is advocating of a willingness to accept self responsibility which leads to personal independence. This is viewed as a strong character fault by our government officials. You are one of those who might not stand in line when told to do so by the authorities! This cannot be permitted.

For the past 40 years the United Nations and our 'free democratic' government has been enforcing unique population controls (EPA, ESA, etc) with these growing population controls (BLM and private property rights) and ever increasing various population controls (Patriot Act) followed with even more unknown population controls (Patriot Act II) until massive disobedience by citizens will never be considered. Our judicial system is similarly promoting constraints on national pride and patriotism (forbidding flags and the Pledge of Allegiance in the classrooms) with shunned public displays until patriotism. (for fear of insulting an unassimilated alien) Soon it will be rarely spoken of, less patriotism will be displayed until patriot becomes an unspoken word amongst the completely diversified American population.

American "border sovereignty" have already become feared and forbidden words amongst our politicians because of the UN's Agenda 21 Program (, security, sustainable development, social justice, democracy, respect for human rights and gender equality." But who understands that "sustainable development,") program. (Carry Okie is an expert on this subject) When our borders are fully porous to our neighboring countries, UN globalism and NAFTA will be solidly in place, our Constitution will have been hidden from the American school system students, as will be the Bill of Rights.

How far down the road will this be? Twenty or thirty years is my best guess but it could be sooner, depending on how many foreigners are allowed into the US without giving them time to assimilate. They will bring with them their cultures until ours has vanished. This is obvious in some parts of the country today where massive foreign groups are settled.

Our Supreme Court is currently taking foreign cultures into consideration when making their judgments. Sad but true.

Schools are stretching out Christmas holiday season vacations from two to three weeks to permit Mexican children to return to Mexico during the holiday season! Illegal aliens are gaining a strong foothold in our lifestyle while our President refuses to bring a complete halt to this invasion. He has done a few things I am proud of (Afghanistan & Iraq) but this refusal to halt illegal immigration is without a doubt the most serious infraction to the continuance of our American way of life ever I have ever witnessed. This is first and foremost a serious national disaster.

[GiveEmDubya]

""He has done a few things I am proud of (Afghanistan & Iraq) but this refusal to halt illegal immigration is without a doubt the most serious infraction to the continuance of our American way of life ever I have ever witnessed. This is first and foremost a serious national disaster.""

Agreed 100%.

[pogo101]

maybe they'll get used to the idea of walking

Southward?

[pogo101]

We need to pass a constitutional amendment so that kids born to illegal moms here are not automatically citizens. Instead, as in most other countries, such kids would have the same citizenship status as their mothers have.

[FITZ]

That's an idea ---- funny how these people who managed to walk across a very large desert through 120 degree heat with only the water they could carry suddenly now have to be able to drive everywhere.

[FITZ]

Do you really want to have 100,349,766 more Democrats than we already have?

We might even have to add their democrat-like political parties --- PRI, PRD, PAN and the others. The only good thing --- that might hurt the democrats a lot because it would divide the liberal vote 4 ways besides the Green Party which already cost Gore an election.

[KneelBeforeZod]

Students interested in joining the Latino Focus activities should e-mail Salvador Sandoval at: latinofocus@aol.com. Leaders of the Million Student March will hold a public meeting at 9 a.m. Monday in San Jose, in the Newberry building of the Tropicana Shopping Center at Story and King roads.

[JamesA]

ARE YOU GETTING TIRED OF THIS CRAP YET?

[navygal]

Hey teens not being able to get a drivers lisence, they say it like it is a bad thing

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

I'm glad you are out there, young man.

Remember, Stop the open borders death cult, Your future is at stake.

[GiveEmDubya]

I am in agreement with you over the open borders.

As my screen name suggests, I am generally a supporter of this president. Over time, however, I have reached the conclusion that his domestic record leaves much to be desired. I just happen to be of the persuasion that Dubya was the right man for the right time, but something must be done about our border situation in short order before it gets to the point of no return.