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Man accused of beating at Wal-Mart posts bail (Thread 3)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | December 28, 2003

Posted on 12/28/2003 8:33:16 AM PST by Cubs Fan

Man accused of beating at Wal-Mart posts bail

December 28, 2003

BY DAVE NEWBART Staff Reporter Advertisement

A Broadview man said Saturday he "was trying to protect my kids'' during an incident in which he was charged for allegedly assaulting two people on Christmas Eve at Wal-Mart.

Lennell Greer made his comments after posting 10 percent of a $10,000 bond set Saturday at Cook County Circuit Court in Maywood.

During the hearing, prosecutors alleged Greer and a 15-year-old boy assaulted a man and woman with a baseball bat after a dispute over a place in line at the Forest Park Wal-Mart.

The victims were "punched, kicked and beaten with a baseball bat while they lay on the ground,'' Assistant Cook County State's Attorney Sandra Blake said. She also said Greer gave a written statement admitting involvement in the incident, which has attracted national attention.

But Greer's attorney, Samuel Adam, as well as several relatives painted a different picture of Greer and the incident. They said Greer has been married for 16 years, lived in Broadview for 11 and worked for the same trucking company for five. "He is a family man,'' Adam said.

Adam asked the judge to preserve security videotapes from Wal-Mart. He claims the tapes will show the victims in the case, 22-year-old Matthew Baures of Berwyn and a 28-year-old Chicago woman, started the fight by trying to cut in line in front of Greer's 11-year-old daughter and hitting her with a shopping cart -- charges Baures denies.

They also said Wal-Mart security scolded Baures for the fight inside -- which Baures does not dispute.

Greer's wife contends Baures and his companion continued the argument outside the store, where Lennell Greer was waiting for his family. But Adam admits "no [physical] threats'' were made toward the family.

Baures said Saturday he thinks Greer, who didn't witness the argument in the store, might have been given false information by family members on what took place, leading to the attack. "I would have beat somebody too for hitting my kid,'' Baures said. "But it never happened."


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But Adam (attorney for Greer) admits "no [physical] threats'' were made toward the family.

In other words the violent attack was in retaliation for a verbal argument that contained no threats.

*BUZZ* you lose, go directly to jail.

1 posted on 12/28/2003 8:33:17 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Cubs Fan
Previous two threads

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1046909/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1047280/posts
2 posted on 12/28/2003 8:35:36 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Cubs Fan
They also said Wal-Mart security scolded Baures for the fight inside -- which Baures does not dispute.

huh?
3 posted on 12/28/2003 8:38:06 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: KantianBurke
They said security scolded baures, but did they? More than likely security didn't know what the argument was about and told both sides to chill out.
4 posted on 12/28/2003 8:40:45 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Cubs Fan
If the "victim" intentionally rammed a shopping cart into the girl, the "victim" should be prosecuted for assault as well.

Send both to jail.

5 posted on 12/28/2003 8:41:12 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
Just guessing but they both may have been hurrying to be next in line. Shopping is my sport and Walmarts is my playing field but I stay away from there during holidays. It can get very ugly:')
6 posted on 12/28/2003 8:46:30 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Cubs Fan
Kudos to you for keeping us freepers up to date. I had enough trying to 'splain right from wrong to the apeasers on the first thread.

My favorite part was reading them type about how the bat was a toy. Like a couple of guys robbing a bank with an old gun. Is the old gun just a collectors item until fired? Sheesh

God luck, LOL
7 posted on 12/28/2003 8:47:16 AM PST by Hannity4prez
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To: Kevin Curry
If the "victim" intentionally rammed a shopping cart into the girl, the "victim" should be prosecuted for assault as well.

Like I said on the other threads I know someone who works at that walmart, they've seen the tape. There was a verbal argument, with both sides shouting, but nobody hit anyobody with a shopping cart.

8 posted on 12/28/2003 8:47:31 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Kevin Curry
I rained blows down upon that man

Blood poured from my closed hand

He would not have that doll

I swore never to return to the mall

Happy Festivus!

9 posted on 12/28/2003 8:49:18 AM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: Kevin Curry
After Thanksgiving my sister and I went to Frys. There was a line around the side of the store. Just as we were walking up to the front the ?Manager opened a another front door to start another line. We were first. From the other line we and others were called several names. When we went into the store, I saw better looks from mass murderers. I WILL NEVER go to a after Holiday sale as long as I live.
10 posted on 12/28/2003 8:50:04 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: CJ Wolf
Now it's time for the traditional "airing of the grievances."

Jane, you ignorant slut . . . .

11 posted on 12/28/2003 8:52:21 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Cubs Fan
Was race a factor in this dispute?
12 posted on 12/28/2003 9:00:06 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Hannity4prez
Kudos to you for keeping us freepers up to date. I had enough trying to 'splain right from wrong to the apeasers on the first thread. My favorite part was reading them type about how the bat was a toy. Like a couple of guys robbing a bank with an old gun. Is the old gun just a collectors item until fired? Sheesh

Its sad that even here we have some people (thankfully only a few) who will do whatever it takes to turn criminals into victims. But Yeah, you're probably right you can lead people to the truth but you can't make them accept it.

13 posted on 12/28/2003 9:01:59 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Dallas59
I still remember a traumatic incident from my youth in the candy aisle of a KMart. Just as I was about to reach for a Butterfinger a voice on the intercom said, "Attention KMart shoppers, we have a blue light special on Butterfinger candybars . . . ." I was bowled over and nearly crushed by a woman who bore more than a vague resemblance to Mike Ditka in drag. And she was just the vaguard of the mob.

Not only did I not get a candybar, I barely escaped with my life. I still bear psychic scars.

14 posted on 12/28/2003 9:03:53 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: SkyPilot
Was race a factor in this dispute?

I don't know about early on but once it going it looks like it was.

Once the fight commenced with the black family hitting these white people with bats and fists. Other blacks, seeing a chance to get a few free shots in on whitey, joined in to help.

15 posted on 12/28/2003 9:07:52 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Dallas59
Same thing happens when they open a new checkout at the store or a bank teller window. I say, at that point, it's a free for all.

How about this one? Long line at the movie theater -- you drop the family off at the end of the line and park the car. By the time you get there, they've moved way up in the line and you join them. Is this OK? Or is it Louisville Slugger time?

16 posted on 12/28/2003 9:17:51 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
How about this one? Long line at the movie theater -- you drop the family off at the end of the line and park the car. By the time you get there, they've moved way up in the line and you join them. Is this OK? Or is it Louisville Slugger time?

If the family behind you is named Greer it is. After all you "dissed" them.

17 posted on 12/28/2003 9:22:49 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: robertpaulsen
Depends. Are yall going to pay together or is each one buying their own ticket? It really irritates me when I get behind one person and then the entire family starts showing up. It wouldn't be a problem if they were shopping together but they aren't. Sometimes, I end up with 5 or 6 people ahead of me when I thought there was only one.
18 posted on 12/28/2003 9:24:17 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Cubs Fan
lived in Broadview for 11 and worked for the same trucking company for five. "He is a family man,'' Adam said.

And perhaps.. a Teamster? They are known for their work with the baseball bat.
19 posted on 12/28/2003 9:26:02 AM PST by Daus
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To: Cubs Fan
Broadview is almost all black. What the Sun Times is now doing is to spin the story. The first story tells that Bauers allowed the girl to go ahead in line and then she let her "relatives" cut in front of her. Two men waitng in the parking lot beat the couple with a bat. Now if the tapes actually show this to be a black on white beating why can't this be called a hate crime? Almost certain if the roles were reversed. This incident may have nothing to do with race but it seems the Sun Times is trying to soften the facts.
20 posted on 12/28/2003 9:27:49 AM PST by ChiMark
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To: Cubs Fan
I thought I read on a earlier thread that the Greers were standing in two lines.

A elderly customer of mine was at the mall Friday cruising for a parking place. She stopped to let a car back out and had her turn signal on when the driver of a Toyoto Pickup started honking her horn at her to move on. The next minute the Toyo rammed her rear bumper. My friend was smart enough to not get out of her car and challenge this creep.
21 posted on 12/28/2003 9:31:57 AM PST by tubebender (Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see...)
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To: Hannity4prez
God luck= Good luck. Oops
22 posted on 12/28/2003 9:38:31 AM PST by Hannity4prez
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To: CindyDawg
Reminds me of trying to buy a turkey or some such the day before Thanksgiving at the big Navy Commisary in San Diego.

Talk about CONTACT SPORTS! Those women are ruthless! And some of the smaller Asian women were among the most potent with their elbows and knees. I felt I needed full football gear to just survive.
23 posted on 12/28/2003 9:51:40 AM PST by Quix (Particularly quite true conspiracies are rarely proven until it's too late to do anything about them)
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To: ChiMark
Now if the tapes actually show this to be a black on white beating why can't this be called a hate crime? Almost certain if the roles were reversed. This incident may have nothing to do with race but it seems the Sun Times is trying to soften the facts.

They also have yet to mention that the Hispanic cashier overheard the woman, Greer, on her cell phone tell her husband to get the white poeple who would be coming out after them.

24 posted on 12/28/2003 9:55:45 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Cubs Fan
Granted this is about holiday shopping and what a lousy thing it can be

But I can't understand how some are missing two very big conservative themes in this story

1) The womans whole argument is-- if you don't like something someone says to you (if they diss you), you should be able to beat them a with deadly weapons

2) Had the races been reversed one can only bet that it would not have been hushed up. And more than likely the words hate crime would be involved. But once again because the races are reversed the media plays double standards.

25 posted on 12/28/2003 10:02:27 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Cubs Fan
The people on this thread do not see he real issue at stake;
we definetly have a biased issue here. I guess open season against "whitey" is o.k. Note the Chicago Libune did'nt report this incident. Thanks for the great detective work.
26 posted on 12/28/2003 10:08:29 AM PST by ChiMark
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To: ChiMark
---The people on this thread do not see he real issue at stake; we definetly have a biased issue here. I guess open season against "whitey" is o.k.---

You're right some definitely don't.

That's the message being sent. Any white people who "diss" black people deserve a baseball bat upside the head. In this woman's world (and the enabling double standard loving medias world as well) white folks had better know their place.
27 posted on 12/28/2003 10:26:37 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Cubs Fan
I'm not surprised. Where I live (a mostly white suburb 30 miles from Detroit) this type of thing has been going on for years. Here it's always black on white, and never the reverse. Democrats and their liberal media have done their best to create a permanent victim class among some in the minority communities, that is racist and deeply resentful of Whites.

I can only speak from my location. The reason why many whites, in general, do not frequent black establishments, and particularly black areas, is because of this resentment, hatred, and anti-white racism, in which whites are often assaulted and attacked both verbally and physically.

Here are just a few recent examples reported in letters to the editor, and crime reports, in my local newspaper...

A letter to the editor printed in the Detroit News, from a woman in California, as to why her mother is leaving Detroit. Typical as to "why" many whites stay away.....

["My mom just moved out of Detroit after 44 years. My mother has less prejudice in her body than anyone reading this letter. She stayed In the City all these years just trying to get along. She forgave the periodic vandalism.

But my mom finally left after being jeered as a "white *****" by a crowd at the post office. And when a new shopping center opened in her neighborhood of 36 years, this tiny 76-year old white lady was treated with disdain and hatred flavored with racial slurs, barely able to get waited on.

Well Detroit, she won't bother you anymore. She will be OK, however. She is a survivor. In time, she may even forgive you on this one. But I won't. You broke my mom's heart. And for that, Detroit, I will never forgive you. Racism is ugly no matter what color wears it."]-The Detroit News

This, however, is not the case when Detroiters venture into the suburbs, as many often do, to frequent white owned stores. Unfortunately, a racist few bring with them, and act out their hatred for whites. As is evident from several recent incidents at stores in my area.....

["Police are searching for a suspect who allegedly assaulted a Hartland man outside Twelve Oaks Mall March 28. The man told police that he was walking with his girlfriend on the upper level parking lot outside Hudson's when he passed the suspect who allegedly said "What the f--- are you looking at, white boy? This is my city now and I'll kick your a--."

The man told police he looked at the suspect, but then continued, walking. He said the suspect attacked him from behind and then hit him in the mouth and head area, then walked back into the mall after the victim fell into some parked cars. Police noted that the victim had injuries to his lips. a broken top front tooth, and various cuts and bruises.

The suspect is described as a black I male, about 6'3" and 180-190 I pounds with a light complexion, short black hair and acne. He was reportedly wearing a black T-shirt and light colored jeans."]-The Novi News

["A 30-year-old Westland woman was assaulted April 28 while waiting in line at a McDonald's restaurant at Twelve Mile Rd. The woman entered the restaurant and waited in line to order, but before she could, three African-American females cut in front of her.

When the woman told them that she was next, one of the females assaulted her on the face area with her hand. Another one of the females also assaulted her by hitting her in the head area.The three attackers then left in a black Blazer."]-The Novi News

These incidents are common place, and only make the small local papers, when they are reported. However, I have never read, or heard of a single incident where in a white man or woman shopper has gone into a black area, such as Detroit to assault blacks either verbally or physically.

There are plenty of areas in Detroit where whites and Asians would never venture into, lest they run the risk of becoming a victim of racial hate. Recently a noted Asian-American cancer researcher who worked at Wayne State University in Detroit, had his car break down, and went to a bus stop, where he was immediately set upon and had a screwdriver shoved through his neck, killing him.

And yet I know of no incidents in the mostly white & Asian suburbs here, where any blacks have been attacked,....or the local liberal media would have made sure we all heard about it.

Many blacks live and shop in the suburbs without any harassment or fear of being attacked by whites. In fact, I know of white sales personnel who go out of their way to be extra nice to black customers in particular, lest they be accused of "white racism".
28 posted on 12/28/2003 10:27:38 AM PST by Main Street (Stuck in traffic.)
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To: Cubs Fan
But once again because the races are reversed the media plays double standards.

And it's not just in this particular incident or location - it is rampant anywhere and everywhere but most pervasevly in the print media..

I've noticed it for years but it wasn't until about a year ago that I realized just how many people were aware of the situation. I was talking with some neighbors and one of them commented about how it seemed the media only printed race when it was a white on black crime and not the other way around. And that was the only time the NAACP started screaming racism, but was silent when the situation was reversed. The others all agreed and said it was wrong and the NAACP should be screaming about all racism, not just what they thought it was.

What surprised me about the conversation is that of the group of us, I was the only white person.

29 posted on 12/28/2003 10:31:30 AM PST by Gabz (smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
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To: Main Street
#28 fantastic post!

I hope everybody here reads it.
30 posted on 12/28/2003 10:38:26 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Main Street
I missed an exit once in Detroit. I took the next one and found myself in the wrong part of town. I was on a one way street heading toward what looked like a block party. I simply turned around and headed the wrong way on the street. I figured if a cop saw me he would understand.
31 posted on 12/28/2003 10:41:30 AM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: Gabz
What surprised me about the conversation is that of the group of us, I was the only white person.

IMO most fair minded people no matter what color they are only want equal standards for all. Unfortunately the press and the NAACP is not made up of fairminded people.

32 posted on 12/28/2003 10:42:21 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Cubs Fan
I've been in that section of Chicago and I've been in that particular store.

I have friends who live a little bit west of there. The demographics are predominantly black; working class to middle class. You don't see grafitti, barred windows and groups of unemployed young males loitering about. Expecting to hear of exhorbidant Chicago prices, I was very surprised to learn that in the very nice, very well maintained predominantly black neighborhood (1950's construction)where my friends live, a 2500sqft all brick veneer or stone veneer house on a .25 acre lot with two car garage can be purchased for $90-$100/ft. A train station is within walking distance providing easy access to the downtown district as well as businesses on the very expensive North Side.

I've been in this particular store twice. What I can tell you about the store is that even on an ordinary weekend, it is packed with about 10 customers per checkout. You don't go to that store thinking you're going to quickly go in and out. There's no excuse for what happened and someone needs to spend some time in jail but I hate to imagine the size of the checkout lines at Christmas in that store.

We've all seen and heard of parking space fights and this is just a variant. I've seen whites come to blows over a parking space in a crowded lot. Once, when I was a teenager, I watched two old retired white guys go at each other with golf clubs over a parking space dispute during an Albertsons grand opening. The endless FR threads on this topic is a little disturbing.

33 posted on 12/28/2003 10:43:06 AM PST by fso301
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To: Cubs Fan
Have yourself a merry little Christmas...
34 posted on 12/28/2003 10:59:21 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: fso301
Forest Park is actually a pretty nice burg although there are some bad sections. I was at a party there in their "downtown" area on West Madison between Harlem and Des Plaines, and, other than the parking, everything was pretty cool. Years ago, though, I stopped in a 7-11 on Roosevelt there that was fairly hostile.
35 posted on 12/28/2003 11:04:19 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Cubs Fan
Unfortunately the press and the NAACP is not made up of fairminded people.

You are correct - they have an agenda. But so do many of the sources they get their information from.

The best way I can explain that is through a personal experience I had as a reporter. Being in radio I generally called around to the local cop shops hourly for anything new for my next newscast. There were several major injury and fatal crashes over a period of days and I started noticing a pattern with the police press releases. Many of them specifically stated "the victim was NOT wearing a seatbelt" while others did not.

It was not until I specifically asked the question about seatbelts was I told the victim WAS wearing one. Needless to say I reported that fact. None of the other broadcasts I listened to from other stations or read in the papers of that particular accident mentioned that tidbit of information.

It's all part of the agenda to force people to believe that only those not wearing seatbelts are severely injured or killed.

It is the same with the racial issue - it is an agenda. Exactly what the agenda is, I have yet to figure out....but all I know is that it appears to be a desire to keep racism and prejudice alive while at the same time decrying it.

36 posted on 12/28/2003 11:09:20 AM PST by Gabz (smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
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To: fso301
I've been in that section of Chicago and I've been in that particular store. I have friends who live a little bit west of there. The demographics are predominantly black; working class to middle class. You don't see grafitti, barred windows and groups of unemployed young males loitering about.

Don't know what you're talking about. Maywood, Bellwood and Broadview (where these criminals are from) are predominantly black area and dangerous places (look up crime stats on each and you'll see). That doesn't mean there aren't some good people living there, but there is definitely a dangerous element too.

And yes certainly there are many whites who are violent. But as Main Street pointed out the levels of black on white crime are multiples of the reverse.

The endless FR threads on this topic is a little disturbing.

http://www.drudgereport.com/ Drudge has a link up to the story, is that disturbing too?

37 posted on 12/28/2003 11:24:36 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Cubs Fan
My friends are a couple of miles west of there. I think it's near where Manchester Rd intersects the interstate (I-94 I think).

I'm certain there are bad and really bad parts nearby but for the nearly two weeks I was in that area walking about and using public transport, I was favorably impressed. I'm also certain that some people from those bad and really bad areas shop at that WallMart. All I'm saying is that the two non-holiday times I was in that WallMart, it was absolutely packed to the point of being borderline chaotic. Had lines been a little longer, then I can easily envisage the scenario described of a chaotic mass of people rather than being orderly lined up in the checkout area.

My distinct impression is that in that area, discount retail demand outstrips supply.

38 posted on 12/28/2003 12:00:29 PM PST by fso301
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To: fso301
Do you mean by Mannheim Road and I-290 in Westchester?
39 posted on 12/28/2003 1:33:53 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

Do you mean by Mannheim Road and I-290 in Westchester?

I guess. Coming from Midway, once you get off the interstate, you take Mannheim south a couple of blocks and there's an intersection With an I-Hop restaurant a CVS Pharmacy and a funeral home. If you took that left and go a couple of miles east, the Forrest Park Wal-Mart would be to your right. Somewhere around that WalMart, if you turned left and went north, you'd arrive at a commuter rail station which I'm pretty certain was the Forrest Park station. My friends lived within walking distance of the I-Hop I previously mentioned. On a number of occations, I'd walk from their house, catch the bus to the train station and head into town. Did so during day and night and while always carefull, I was never particularly worried.

40 posted on 12/28/2003 2:12:38 PM PST by fso301
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To: fso301
ITs hard to figure out what you mean. There are several susbrbs in that area. Forest Park, Westchester, Brookfield, Bellwood, Stone Park, Hinsdale, among several others.

To make a long story short-- the highest crime areas in the near western suburbs are Maywood, Bellwood, Broadview (where the thugs live) and Cicero. Three nearly all black and one mostly Hispanic. Most of the crime that occurs in low crime areas, River Forest, Oak Park, Forest park are from Miscreants from those suburbs I mentioned (Maywood Bellwood, Broadview Cicero) or from the west side of chicago.
41 posted on 12/28/2003 3:04:41 PM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Cubs Fan
They should sell "shopping insurance" at the entrances of all great wal-mart of china's, kinda like flight insurance at airports.
42 posted on 12/28/2003 3:29:48 PM PST by searchandrecovery (America - Welcome to Sodom & Gomorrah West)
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To: Cubs Fan
Ok, I checked mapquest and my friends live in Westchester (Zip 60154) near the intersection of S Mannheim Rd and W. Roosevelt Rd. That is the intersection I mentioned in the previous post having the I-Hop, Pharmacy and funeral home. Anyway, if you get on Roosevelt and head east 4 miles, you will come to Des Plaines Ave. There is a large Jewish Cemetary at Des Plains and Roosevelt. Anyway, the WallMart is at that intersection.
43 posted on 12/28/2003 3:33:30 PM PST by fso301
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To: Cubs Fan
But Adam (attorney for Greer) admits "no [physical] threats'' were made toward the family.

But what about the "assault" the victim made on the "young child" by ripping his "toy" out of his hands?

44 posted on 12/28/2003 3:33:35 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: fso301
---Ok, I checked mapquest and my friends live in Westchester (Zip 60154) near the intersection of S Mannheim Rd and W. Roosevelt Rd.---

Westchester, mostly white middle to upper middle class class from what I know a very safe area. I go to Emilios Tapas there about twice a year, great food.
45 posted on 12/28/2003 3:45:51 PM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: stands2reason
--But what about the "assault" the victim made on the "young child" by ripping his "toy" out of his hands?---

Ah yes, the old Waterstraat and FITZ defense. LOL


46 posted on 12/28/2003 3:48:54 PM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Cubs Fan
Westchester, mostly white middle to upper middle class class from what I know a very safe area.

All I can comment on is my perceptions and that is that the neighborhood my friends were in was predominantly black and when in area restaurants and shops, whites were a minority.

47 posted on 12/28/2003 3:50:28 PM PST by fso301
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To: Mrs Zip
Ping
48 posted on 12/28/2003 8:43:28 PM PST by zip
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To: fso301
All I can comment on is my perceptions and that is that the neighborhood my friends were in was predominantly black and when in area restaurants and shops, whites were a minority.

There are many suburbs that are mostly white but have sections where mostly blacks frequent and tend to live (Oak Park is an example). Also that area you listed is right next to several suburbs--Hillside, Bellwood and Broadview (the walmart criminals hometown). Two of which are mostly black.

49 posted on 12/28/2003 8:58:02 PM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: Cubs Fan
Good Evening All-

Cubs Fan, thanks for helping us all to stay up-to-speed on this completely under-reported story. Under different circumstances, this would receive major coverage from The New York Times, ABCCBSNBCCNN, et al.

I'm willing to bet a million dollars that skeletons will come out of the closet regarding Lennell Greer and past criminality. A man doesn't live a straight, honest life and then decide to turn into a violent criminal based on a single cellular call. He is no stranger to this sociopathic behavior and I'm confident that additional investigations will prove me right.

The slimy defense lawyers from the infamous firm of Waterstraat, Fisk, Wendouie, Screwem, & Howe will not be able to successfully defend their client in the courts, especially the court of public opinion. It doesn't matter how nasty the discussion was to his family members or whether they felt "dissed and dismissed" at the time, Lennell Greer is wrong for swinging baseball bats at people. His fifteen-year-old cohort is simply a Criminal-In-Training (CIT) who should receive an identical penalty.

Once everything has been sorted in this case, we'll see it had its origins in the simple fact that two white people had the audacity to "call out" two black people on their unacceptable behavior. In this case, the black people became enraged that the white people didn't tuck their tails between their legs (typical Caucasian response) and the situation escalated from there...so they felt compelled to make some righteous calls to their homies.

Not trying to interpret this story as a race thing...but it's a race thing.

~ Blue Jays ~

50 posted on 12/28/2003 9:33:38 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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