Skip to comments.The Problem With Serbia
Posted on 12/29/2003 5:09:36 PM PST by forty_yearsEdited on 12/30/2003 7:53:27 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
You would think that after all these years, Serbians wouldve had enough of ultra-nationalism, campaigns of genocide, and war crimes. Apparently, many Serbians cant get enough. The super-nationalistic Serbian Radical Party (SRS) won an estimated 28% of the popular vote and 81 seats in parliament in elections held yesterday. Slobodan Milosevics Socialist Party, with its extensive history of war crimes, won 22 seats in parliament. According to the BBC:
An outgoing deputy prime minister, Nebojsa Covic, said voters had punished the reformist government for failing to raise living standards.
"Living standards." Theres always an excuse for hatred, it seems: "We supported Hitler because the economy was bad," or "We didnt oppose Stalin because he kept order." The behavior of many Serbians over the last decade sickens me. Remember the TV images of Serbian youth holding rock concerts in support of their soldiers genocidal activities in Kosovo? Just to set the record straight, Ill once again remind people of the blood that some (not all) Serbians have on their hands.
Serbia, with a population of 10 million, was the big kid on the block in Yugoslavia the bully just as Russians were in the old Soviet Union. Major Serbian or Yugoslav bullying got under way in 1991 when the Slovenians declared independence from the Yugoslav federation. Yugoslav forces tried to quell the innate desire for independence, but failed, thank goodness. 100 people were needlessly killed. Slovenia is now free, and a charter member of both NATO and the EU. The Serbs didnt want that. They wanted to dominate the Slovenes and siphon off their wealth and resources. Yugoslavia wanted to drag all the Balkans down to the lowest common denominator of socialism (e.g., centralized power and the enrichment of a chosen few like Slobodan Milosevic and his repulsive wife).
As the Yugoslav/Serbian bullies failed to demolish Slovenia, they turned their attentions to the Croats. Croats arent without sin. Some helped Hitler in WWII. No group is without sin, but Croats still deserve self-determination. Starting in 1991, the Yugoslav/Serb bullies tried to quell Croatias bid for independence. Both Serbs and Croats committed war crimes in the ensuing struggle, and are paying for their sins. But the Croats finally won their independence, thank goodness.
Not satisfied with trying to quell the autonomous urges of two nations, the Serbs turned their wrath against Bosnia-Herzegovina in 1992, where they kicked their genocidal intentions into high gear. Serbs murdered 250,000 Bosnian citizens. The Serbs killed 7,000 Muslim boys and men in a single incident at Srebrenica. This isnt conjecture. This is fact. A former Bosnian Serb army commander, Dragan Obrenovic, confessed to taking part in the massacre. Serbia-Montenegros president apologized (admitted guilt) to the people of Bosnia-Herzegovina for atrocities committed by Serbs during the 1992-1995 war. I admire his integrity for such a step. This proves not all Serbs are guilty of anything.
Failing to quell the free aspirations of a third nation, the Serbs turned their genocidal intentions against Kosovo in 1999. Led by the great socialist leader Slobodan Milosevic, the Serbs murdered between 5,000 and 12,000 Kosovo Albanians and deported 800,000. Only a sustained NATO bombing campaign, of course led by the U.S. over the objections of the European chicken-hearts, stopped the decade-long Serbian campaign of bullying.
Apparently, this fresh history of mass-murder isnt enough for some Serbs. Their votes yesterday give the Serbian Radical Party (SRS) and Milosevics Socialist Party enough seats in the Serbian parliament to block the efforts of moderate reformers. Again, the BBC:
But the [Serbian Radical Party] party, whose leader Vojislav Seselj is held by the UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague, is not strong enough to form a government by itself.
Four pro-reform groups are now likely to form a governing coalition.
However, correspondents say the new government may be fragile, ineffective and short-lived. ...
A [Socialist] party official, Ivica Dacic, said: "Technically speaking Milosevic can be a deputy, but our party is yet to decide who is going to take up the seats."
What inspiring news: Serbia could technically now be ruled by two genocidal war criminals. Whats wrong with this picture? How could so many Serbs vote this way? Whats next, an extermination campaign against tiny Montenegro justified by bad living standards?
Years ago the serbs were invaded by mohmmedan armies who were on their way to laying siege upon Vienna in 1527 and again in 1683. The Serbs have never stopped defending themselves from the invaders. The serbs made a deal with the mohammedan invaders. They said if it takes 50 years, 100 years, 1,000 years, we want you out and we will keep fighting until you are out. When you leave, take your children, grandchildren, and great great granchildren with you. That was the deal the mohammedan invaders entered into. Somewhere along the line this continuing effort to repel the invaders was labeled racism and ethnic cleansing.
Geez... The rock concerts were held in support of sanity. The author needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Obviously he's never spent a second under heavy bombardment. What else could they do except shag and dance to the oldies?
ARM THE SERBS!
Your link about Croats "paying for their sins" in the Croatian war part doesn't link to Croats paying for their crimes over Serbs in that war, but to Croats on trial for what they did to Bosnian Muslims in the Bosnian war. Bad linkage. It seems you are trying to imitate Nebojsa Malic with your style of writing, but you can't do near as well. You simply aren't as knowledgeable, nor will you ever be, as you don't seek truth.
Another reason is that forty_years posts a lot from that rather small website - it's had less than 3,000 visitors despite being around since mid-April, at least. (His first post on FR is from that site on April 14).
Look also at some of the hateful keywords listed after the article, which I have no doubt he added: BULLY, SERBTERRORISTS, TERRORISTSERBS... He had to add both "Serb Terrorists" and "Terrorist Serbs."
Confession of Miro Bajramovic
It is difficult to say how long we held prisoners. This depended on how long it took us to wear them out. In most cases we held them 4-5 days before we killed them. If they had survived, they would not have been normal. Serbs, who were good and loyal served us by digging graves, we told them that they were digging covers for machine guns. Once, one of the prisoners from Kutina said that this was the 15th or 16th cover that he was digging. He was executed on the spot. It wasn't up to him to count but to dig.
Self-interest was very popular at the moment. Thirty of us went some 50 meters in front of the first tank. We cleaned and executed everyone. After us there were others who called themselves "mercepovci", who stole from the houses and then burnt them. These were Maeralo and Rukavina ... Mercep told us to take everything away from the Serbs, and the money we found should be handed over to Headquarters for purchasing arms...
I could not say that mass executions were carried out in Pakracka Poljana. These were mostly groups of 7 to 10 people. It actually depended on how many people were in the prison at the time. Sometimes we executed people in their homes, and then blew up the house. There were no bodies left. There were many houses like this, mostly in the village of Bujavica...
It is my firm belief that if it hadn't been for the Zec family, nothing would have been known about Pakracka Poljana. It was the main key and the main reason why the unit has been looked at from this angle, and there were many Pakracka Poljanas in Croatia.
Yep, he says there were many "Pakracka Poljanas" in Croatia, which means there were many systematic genocides of Serb villages - Serbs were arrested to be interrogated, tortured, forced to dig their own graves, and then killed, or killed right away in their homes; then other Croats came by to loot the houses then burn them or blow them up, and the media was totally silent. Croats got away with genocide of Serbs and it shows in the census results - over 12.2% in 1991 to 4.5% in 2002.
Croats aren't paying today and they never paid for Jasenovac either.
From a 17,000 reported dead in January 1992, just two months later it became 200,000 by dropping the "and missing" from the 200,000 dead or missing. Further, UN officials on the ground say the level of killing was no where near justifying that increase.
Back in the early days of the Yugoslav wars, I was keeping count. American news reports began with 17,000 killed in Bosnia in early January 1993 after 9 months of civil war, then 20,000 at the end of the month. In early February 1993, the number was 145,000 "dead or missing" which by the end of the month became 200,000 "dead or missing. " And then in early March 1993, the words "or missing" were dropped and the number was established at 200,000 killed which has been repeated like a mantra ever since. General Satish Nambiar of India, who was the commander of the U.N. Protection Forces (UNPROFOR) during the period of March 1992 to March 1993, told me that he, his deputy General Lewis McKenzie, and his forces, did not witness any such level of killing. Former U.S. State Department official and head of the Yugoslav desk, George Kenney, assessed the total dead in Bosnia as somewhere between 30,000 and 50,000.
Nice guy, comes into your house and says this sort of stuff.
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