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American Conservative Union ^ | DEC 03 | American Conservative Union

Posted on 12/30/2003 6:43:17 PM PST by Federalist 78

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To: tpaine
Tommy, patents are issued for limited time. To suggest that all patents should be revoked, like NB did, is unconstitutional.

There...now you learned something new.
261 posted on 01/01/2004 8:23:09 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Yours is a logical step to address one of the major factors that are driving the cost of health care sky high, and it provides the public with a target they already detest...trial lawyers.

Issuing patents for prescription drugs is a constitutional obligation of the Federal government, we can debate diminishing the length of these patents, but NOT issuing patents to a specific industry is blatantly unconstitutional, doing so in the name of the betterment of society, is pure socialism.

The Feds could impose price controls...but that smacks of socialism as well, they could open the US market to foreign drugs...costing Americans their jobs.

There are problems out there that simply have no "good" solutions.

I would offer prescription drug companies longer patents on products in exchange for drastically lower prices.

262 posted on 01/01/2004 8:31:21 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
they could open the US market to foreign drugs...costing Americans their jobs.

Protectionism only for drugs? Why just drugs? Why not steel? Why not textiles? Why not buggy whips?

Moving right along most of the drugs to be imported are made by American companies abroad, and maybe some at home for all I know. The system is designed to allow price discrimination for monopsonistic European government drug buyers. The system must and shall collapse, the sooner the better. There is no reason Americans should subsidize drug research for drugs Europeans consume. We need to allow free importation, or better yet, a most favored nation pricing law. The drug companies can't price discriminate except for volume discounts.

263 posted on 01/01/2004 8:41:43 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
In case you interpreted my post wrong, that would be an argument which would be raised should we attempt to open the US market to foreign drug companies, sans tariffs...leading the choir would be our good friend Willie Green.
264 posted on 01/01/2004 8:45:45 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Torie
P.S. Happy New Year!
265 posted on 01/01/2004 8:48:07 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Got ya. I felt the need to head him off on the pass. This is one public policy issue with a lot of money involved, that for some reason the public square just doesn't quite get. This I will say what I say, once, twice, three, and many times, over and over again. I do it because I'm right on this, and have "the gift." And unlike some I can handle having "the gift" without getting banned.
266 posted on 01/01/2004 8:51:29 PM PST by Torie
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Same to you Luis, and be happy. Don't let anyone get you down.
267 posted on 01/01/2004 8:52:59 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
You see the trout too?
268 posted on 01/01/2004 8:55:21 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
It depends on the river, and where it runs.
269 posted on 01/01/2004 8:58:39 PM PST by Torie
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You said it!
270 posted on 01/01/2004 9:10:41 PM PST by MetalMan
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Dream on luis, that ~you~ are teaching anyone anything..
The only thing to be seen is you making pompous pronouncements, proclaiming the obvious.
271 posted on 01/01/2004 11:50:11 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out me devils. Happy New Year!)
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To: Torie
Free importation? You are just listening to the buzz and chatter in the press.

It's not the drug company's fault other countries enforce price controls on their products. It makes no sense to twice hurt the same company by buying their drugs from a third entity that has those price controls.

Also, if we did legalized importation of those same drugs, they'd run out. The companies that make them would not supply enough at those prices. Otherwise they'll all go bankrupt and we'll have NO drugs.

I don't give a hoot about the healthcare system and the price of drugs in France, England or Canada.

All I know, for a fact, is that if you take away the ability of a drug company to recoup the cost of their investment and make a profit to continue R&D and stay in business, then they will disappear.

Right now, a 7 year patent on a new drug, after spending upwards of $800 million IF the FDA approves it, is not much time to recoup costs.
272 posted on 01/02/2004 12:11:21 AM PST by Fledermaus (Just to help out all of you morons on the left - an Orange Alert doesn't mean stockpiling juice!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Daily Campaign Finance Reform Thread
273 posted on 01/02/2004 12:34:59 AM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: Fledermaus
The socialists around this place believe that drug companies should forfeit profits in the name of the betterment of the proletariat.
274 posted on 01/02/2004 5:53:04 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

and make you look like a fool in the process

The only one you are capable of making a fool of is yourself and you have done that quite well.

You really should attempt to become informed on an issue before you attempt to debate.

Then again, you just may be a well informed welfare recipient.

New Medicare Drug Entitlement's Huge New Tax on Working Americansby Brian M. Riedl and William W. Beach

Why Medicare Expansion Threatens the Bush Tax Cuts and Undermines Fundamental Tax Reformby Daniel J. Mitchell, Ph.D.

The Crucial Elements of an Acceptable Medicare Bill by Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D.
July 16, 2003 (Backgrounder #1667)
In dealing with the Medicare bills now being considered in conference, Congress must face up to the task of legislating real reform, modernizing the program, ...

How Congress's Medicare Drug Provisions Would Reduce Seniors' Existing Private Coverage by Edmund F. Haislmaier
July 17, 2003 (Backgrounder #1668)
The House-Senate conferees now attempting to reconcile two profoundly flawed Medicare bills should go back to the drawing board and use as a blueprint the ...

State-By-State Tax Increase from Medicare Drug Benefit by Rea S. Hederman, Jr.
November 14, 2003 (WebMemo #367)
Taxpayers would see a $41 billion tax increase next year, if Congress passes the proposed Medicare prescription drug legislation and raises taxes to pay for ...

Time to Rethink the Disastrous Medicare Legislation, November 17, 2003, Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D., Robert E. Moffit, Ph.D.

The Medicare conference agreement fails the two critical requirements of a responsible drug benefit program for the nation’s seniors. The original idea underlying this legislation was never just about adding drug coverage to Medicare. It was about doing so in a way that would not lead to huge additional liabilities to future generations, and in a way that would reform the program so that it could respond to the changing needs of the elderly and disabled.[1] But the agreement will not lead to that. Instead it guts critical reforms, relegating them to a "demonstration project" that is doomed to failure. And it opens the floodgates to new entitlement spending that will mean huge taxes on future workers.

It is time for Congress and the President to go back to the drawing board and do two things:

  1. Congress should enact a limited measure, based on the discount card agreed to by the conference that will actually help most seniors who now lack affordable drug coverage.
  2. The President and Members of Congress committed to reform must do what they failed to do effectively over the last two years – methodically build the case with the American people for critical reforms in the program. Changes in sensitive programs like Medicare can only be achieved through a public campaign, not through back-door deals.

The Cost of Medicare: What the Future Holds by Douglas Holtz-Eakin and Jeff Lemieux
December 15, 2003 (Heritage Lecture #815)
Despite media reports of a landmark reform, the new Medicare law seems to be just business as usual. It will take a long time to ...

In a sense, this was the sort of bill that Medicare reformers in 1998 wanted to make sure never happened again. When the Balanced Budget Act in 1997 passed with hundreds and hundreds of lines of provisions and very little time for CBO and other policy analysts to really figure out how it would all work, a policy mess resulted. There were plenty of mistakes in both the drafting of the bill and the estimates of the bill (some of them that I made and my other colleagues at CBO made others). Staff wrote things into the law that had unintended consequences. For example, the law was supposed to improve private plan participation in Medicare, but it ended up cutting it by not quite half.

So my first conclusion is that this is not reform and that it is business as usual. What's especially distressing is that the last time we did a bill like this in 1997, Congress was somewhat apologetic. Congress said we should have a Medicare commission to figure out how Medicare should really be governed, not by this catchall of hundreds of congressional provisions which we don't really know are in the bill until after it's been enacted.

This time there has been no apology. I think with the Balanced Budget Act and with this bill there is almost a comfort level that's been found by Congress in creating this sort of congressional micromanagement of Medicare, and that worries me a little bit.

So those are my two basic conclusions: First, it's not transformation; therefore, it will cost a lot. Second, we're on a legislative path of leaving the analysis until after the votes are had, which has its ups and downs. It may be easier to get legislation that way, but we certainly don't know what we've got until after it's done and now it's all up to us to go back, read the bill extremely carefully, and work with CBO and the rest of the congressional agencies to figure out what we've got here and what we should look forward to in 2004 and beyond.

275 posted on 01/02/2004 8:46:43 AM PST by Federalist 78
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To: Fledermaus
No, the drug companies could charge anything they want. They just couldn't price discriminate in favor of monopsonistic buyers under the Torie plan. What would happen is that drug prices in Europe would go up, and down in the US, or Europe would make do with less effective drugs that are generic.

In the meantime, free importation will cause the governments in Europe to try to control the use of the drugs for just residents, but a black market would develop, and there would be shortages as leakage to the US occurs, putting pressure on the diseased system, salubrious pressure, sort of like what white blood cells due to viruses.

276 posted on 01/02/2004 11:26:09 AM PST by Torie
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To: Federalist 78
You're not keen on actually following discussions, are you?

I've never actually discussed the details of the legislation. I've discussed the need for some sort of a solution to an existing problem, the ability of the Federal government to implement what they perceive to be a solution (albeit a temporary one), and the political reality surrounding the issue.

You should actually familiarize yourself with the content of my posts before you go declaring me a "fool".

277 posted on 01/02/2004 12:42:39 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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