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kuro5hin.org ^ | Mon Dec 29th, 2003 at 09:53:55 PM EST | felixrayman

Posted on 12/31/2003 12:12:28 PM PST by visagoth

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To: Lead Moderator
***It was clear from them taken in aggregate that he was here to troll (I particularly liked the post which denounced any claim the founding of the US had to liberty to be null and void because slavery existed- I guess we need to repudiate all the wisdom of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle as well).***

ZOUNDS! I LOVE it! What a reply.
101 posted on 12/31/2003 4:44:46 PM PST by kitkat (Purr, purr)
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To: Britton J Wingfield; sauropod; Jim Robinson
Looks like people on his own site are calling him on his BS.

Though I understand Jim's position and the position of those that don't want DU here (I don't either), I would have liked to have seen people here call him on his BS. Freepers are often quite witty and entertaining :-) as well as well-informed. FR regularly receives posts from people wanting to know how to respond to the leftist slant/disinformation and a debate like that here would have been helpful as well as instructive, imo. But having managed lists, I'm aware it can often be a tough call on when to pull the plug before you have chaos. Jim, I appreciate what you do, too. More than you will ever know :-)

102 posted on 12/31/2003 4:46:18 PM PST by hotpotato
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To: Tall_Texan
As to the one "factual correction", it still misses the point that the budget of the State of Vermont is roughly equivalent to a Chicago suburb, using his own figures.

Agreed. And I don't think it was pulled for that. I suspect there is more to this story than what the zotted one is posting on his website.

103 posted on 12/31/2003 4:54:52 PM PST by hotpotato
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To: NormsRevenge
I'm drinking a beer followed by another beer, imported of course, anybody want to debate about that?

ooooo, good idea. I just picked up some Peruvian Cusquenas. EXCELLENT!! Gotta go get one, now. 'squeeze me.....

104 posted on 12/31/2003 4:58:55 PM PST by hotpotato
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To: Richard Kimball
Well said, RK.

105 posted on 12/31/2003 5:02:12 PM PST by kitkat (Purr, purr)
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To: glannon
kuro5hin is left-wing?

I visited it for the first time, and it seems very sinister to me! And I understand this is after some past loony-left exodus from the site, probably not left enough for them... they must have felt LEFT OUT! Ok glannon, you can stop your trolling now...

106 posted on 12/31/2003 5:27:14 PM PST by buzzyboop (no tags, no fuss)
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To: Lead Moderator
A ban is a nuke where the account goes but the posts stay up.

Neutron Bomb? (remember those?)

107 posted on 12/31/2003 5:38:43 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: whizzer
"This is not a debating society."

huh? That is exactly what I come to FR *for*.

I dont want this to be DU, but I think diversity of views should be accepted to some extent or it becomes uninteresting.
boring.
108 posted on 12/31/2003 6:55:33 PM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: sauropod
Agreed. When I first started lurking here in 1998, there was little deleted. It was extremely instructive to watch the intellectual debates, which always disolved into pure entertainment. Some of the humor is sorely missed.
109 posted on 12/31/2003 7:03:52 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: bolobaby
"It seems to me that his second remark was a factual correction of some sort. As a true conservative, I want the facts. I'd look at a correction like that and think "ok, someone here is wrong." Then I'd do some quick research and figure out what the truth really was.

I haven't looked at this matter, so I don't know where the truth lies, but it does disturb me that the reply was yanked. Any attempt to set facts straight should be given consideration unless it is a blatant misinformation. I look at that post and it doesn't seem like blatant misinformation. "

What you say.

110 posted on 12/31/2003 7:06:01 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: visagoth
The leftist desideratum is that no one insists: "2 + 2 = 4. Not 3, not 5, not 3.99999 - 4." They want feeling and motivation to rule. And their "moral refinement" and "understanding" to be the justification for their pronunciamentos being unquestioned - in fact unquestionable per se.
111 posted on 12/31/2003 7:13:13 PM PST by 185JHP ( And Ehud said "I've got a message from God for you!")
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To: Nachum
FreeRepublic must be extremely effective to elicit this response
 One would expect the attacks to grow as we get nearer to election time.


No one is protesting the message. 

Deleting posts and banning newbies who don't march to our drums isn't
being effective, if by that you mean winning hearts and
minds.  It's being afraid to hear what you don't want to hear
because YOU might end up being changed.

113 posted on 12/31/2003 7:43:33 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
Not aimed at you in particularly or even generally. At this site most posters work to protect freedom of speech, not practice it.

I look at DU trolls as rice burner riders who stroll in to a Harley bar and start badmouthing the Harleys. The coroner almost always rules the incident a suicide.
114 posted on 12/31/2003 8:23:05 PM PST by DeepDish (I no longer capitalize french or france, only things proper or significant are capitalized.)
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To: visagoth
I feel more free talking with my office-mates, than I do expressing my views here.
115 posted on 12/31/2003 8:26:40 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: All
Looks like this felixrayman is a silly person. He could not constrain himself and engage in discourse? He can only promote his site and his candidate? The majority of issues are above politics.

If it's a requirement to cheer the President and no input is allowed on issues then I won't be allowed here very long if President Bush kowtows to one demand of Mexico's corrupt government. He's doing pretty good otherwise.

Others have already answered but.. felixrayman claimed to just want to correct "factual errors." wow.

To wit, "Actually it's pretty obvious that the capture of Saddam hasn't made the world safer...."

In the context of barring Saddam from ever returning to power and freeing Iraqis of that fear and therefore encouraging them to come forward with more information - it certainly has made the world safer. Just being permanently rid of his regime is enough. For example, less payoffs to the families of suicide bombers against Israeli women and children.

The Vermont budget thing, that's why God gave us google. Good work. It happens here all the time. Does he want a medal?

The Constitution and slavery thing. It was changed well over a hundred years ago. Though I would welcome a link to a good, non-partisan discussion of the original Constitution and slavery.

The reference to the German government, whether it's Hitler's Germany or East Germany, they were both SOCIALIST governments. The socialists murdered an estimated 100 million of their fellow citizens last century. His comments were deleted from a privately owned and managed enterprise, not a government entity. Others do the same. It is fair.

If felixrayman can still post here I welcome his replies.

116 posted on 12/31/2003 10:10:03 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: isthisnickcool; Jim Robinson
JimRob bought Cher's House??
117 posted on 01/01/2004 6:47:30 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: DeepDish
I look at DU trolls as rice burner riders who stroll in to a Harley bar and start badmouthing the Harleys. The coroner almost always rules the incident a suicide.

That's brilliant!

118 posted on 01/01/2004 6:53:32 AM PST by ovrtaxt (The income tax is the monetary equivalent of gun control.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Only the LEAD sled dog gets a change in scenery."
119 posted on 01/01/2004 7:14:11 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: ladyinred
Da'Tare! The cloaking generator has failed AGAIN!
120 posted on 01/01/2004 7:24:57 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: Richard Kimball
To the writer of the article: Start your own forum. Run it without any rules. Watch the nutballs show up. Give equal time to people that write "blah, blah, blah" or post gibberish until it becomes impossible to follow a thread because of the incoherence injected by people who want to destroy debate, not create it.

Can I get an "AMEN"? You go, Richard! Don't forget those who tell the same lie so many times that they come to believe it as the truth.
121 posted on 01/01/2004 7:49:10 AM PST by Just Lori (We're all in this together.)
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To: winner3000
"Saddam mathematically can no longer be expected to come back to power."

Im curious. Hypothetically speaking, what would be the Mathematical equasion that would allow Saddam to return to power?
122 posted on 01/01/2004 7:59:58 AM PST by Rebelbase (If I stay on topic for more than 2 posts something is wrong. Alert the authorities.)
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To: SunStar
This is a gathering place for conservatives only

Make that "pro-Bush" conservatives. I haven't been here long, but I've seen a lot of folks claiming to be conservatives who do nothing but denounce our President, thus in effect proclaiming their support for Howard Dean and Hillary Clinton. Those aren't the folks that I want to see in a Conservative news forum such as this.

123 posted on 01/01/2004 8:37:20 AM PST by fourhorsemen
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To: Rebelbase
"Im curious. Hypothetically speaking, what would be the Mathematical equasion that would allow Saddam to return to power?"

Perhaps ... "Dean 54 - Bush 46" next November?



124 posted on 01/01/2004 9:51:12 AM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: winner3000
"Nobody said that Saddam's capture will stop ALL...."

Many of us agree, but the point here is that instead of making the arguement and refuting the post somebody hit the abuse button and convinced a MOD to pull the post.

The MODs are pretty quick on the trigger.

125 posted on 01/01/2004 10:04:30 AM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: gcruse
It's being afraid to hear what you don't want to hear because YOU might end up being changed.

We here the "message" that this poster makes and others like him 24/7. Legitmate articles that demonstrate this message are posted here at FR all the time.

Furthermore, it is perfectly legitimate to ban trolls they use FR to promote their own site and to spam FR.

126 posted on 01/01/2004 10:06:33 AM PST by Nachum
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To: visagoth
kuro5hin.org

Why post left wing web sites? FR is a conservative site for conservative comments. period

127 posted on 01/01/2004 10:18:07 AM PST by zip
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To: CyberAnt
Goog Point! You describe Liberals perfectly!
128 posted on 01/01/2004 10:19:43 AM PST by BobFromNJ
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To: buzzyboop
my point is that its a discussion site. there are going to be leftists there, but overall itdoesn't have a specific politics. just because one article is lefty, or talks about trolling freerepublic, doesn't mean that the whole site is left.
129 posted on 01/01/2004 10:25:29 AM PST by glannon
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To: Nachum
Furthermore, it is perfectly legitimate to ban trolls they use FR to promote their own site and to spam FR

Great recap, it really says it all in one sentence.

130 posted on 01/01/2004 7:29:53 PM PST by zip
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To: sauropod
"I would have preferred to answer this fool and figuratively roasted him/her over a slow fire."

I agree. Even if the poster was sprewing trash and untruths, I think that many of the posters here have the capability to debate this person and prove their ideas wrong. It is better to confront evil, rather than flee it.

131 posted on 01/01/2004 7:38:38 PM PST by Valentine_W
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To: sauropod
In the same post you wrote:
"We exercise" and
"We also exersize"

Does this mean that your admonishment to "check" before posting is no longer in force?

132 posted on 01/01/2004 8:11:52 PM PST by Positive
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To: visagoth
[ there are sites with a left-wing bias that are just as cowardly as Free Republic when it comes to allowing an actual debate ]

Just because a troll sounds intelligent don't mean he/she is intelligent...

I vote put this troll back under the bridge where it belongs.. because its the right thing to do..

133 posted on 01/01/2004 8:15:21 PM PST by hosepipe
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To: Lead Moderator
THIS IS THE FREEP MAIL I RECEIVED FROM BEING ON THE IMMIGRATION PING LIST. I HAVE TRIED TO OBTAIN HELP, AND GET THIS GUY CHECKED OUT BECAUSE OF THE VULGARITY AND HAVE NEVER RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE.

CAN SOMEONE, LIKE THE LEAD MODERATOR HELP ME OUT??????



Re: Immigrants fear repeal of driver's license law
From _1_mexican_man_ | 12/12/2003 6:16:09 PM CST replied




thats fucked up you think that!
are you racist or something.hom would you like to run away from your home land, because times are hard, and then go the,"land of the free",and then find out that it was all faules advertisment. its not the land of the free it is the land of the stuck up white people who tax the hell out of all the poor people and get away with it because they have more money then they do! and now that they are considered out casts in america, cant get a license, and still pay taxes not to metion its hard to get a job for them. you fucking retard think about bothe sides of the story.

love-
wouldnt you like to know

134 posted on 01/01/2004 9:40:18 PM PST by chicagolady (Jesus, Be my Magnificent Obsession)
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To: Mr. C
Don't forget we have objected to the Lefty's not allowing US to post or debate on DU or any on of the other sites they have.

Very good point. It would be nice to be able to say we are not afraid of taking on leftist propoganda in free and open debate, but I am afraid that is not the case, in this or any forum.
Those in control will always draw the line where they see fit, whether we agree with them or not. What else is new?

135 posted on 01/01/2004 9:51:05 PM PST by Jorge
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To: chicagolady
... I HAVE TRIED TO OBTAIN HELP, AND GET THIS GUY CHECKED OUT ...

Checked out, found wanting, kicked outta here.

136 posted on 01/01/2004 9:53:31 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Sidebar Moderator
Thank you!! Happy 2004.
Nice work.
137 posted on 01/01/2004 10:10:04 PM PST by chicagolady (Jesus, Be my Magnificent Obsession)
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ping for later
138 posted on 01/02/2004 6:06:27 AM PST by Vermonter (Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
"In addition to a right to free speech, there are other rights, such as the right of like minded people to associate. "

Sure, but the likemindedness that I originally subcribed to at this site included belief in the truth so why does a posting correcting a factual error get removed?

The truth doesn't hurt once you get used to it.

139 posted on 01/02/2004 7:31:16 AM PST by Wil H
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To: kennedy
more like burned to the ground, the site sowed with salt...
140 posted on 01/02/2004 10:13:31 AM PST by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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To: SunStar
This is a gathering place for conservatives only.

No, that is incorrect. FR is a gathering place for republican party loyalists, bots and assorted pod people. Few true conservatives are supporting the current administrations agenda.

Richard W.

142 posted on 01/02/2004 4:46:47 PM PST by arete (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Free Republic is privately owned and funded. We exercise our right to control the use and content of our website. We also exersize our right to freedom of association. Liberal trolls and their posts are usually removed. We do not want to waste our time or resources on their nonsense. Free Republic is not a liberal debating society

In that I can agree .. but Jim (and I have to read the rest of this thread to see if this hasn't already been done), can you address the 3-4 comments that he references as being pulled ... i.e. were they as neutral as they sound? If so, it bears some discussion I would think, no?

143 posted on 01/02/2004 6:25:02 PM PST by AgThorn (Go go Bush!!)
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To: chicagolady
He's gone
144 posted on 01/02/2004 6:33:08 PM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: arete
Or so you'd like to think, eh?
145 posted on 01/02/2004 10:29:08 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: visagoth; Lead Moderator
This ilk of thing gets tiresome.

It's tolerable to a point because I'm well skilled in page down and scroll keys.

Still, it's somewhat of an offensive drag just to see this sort of thing in the list of threads.

It seems to me that DU etc. is plenty of room for the idiots to roam around in.
146 posted on 01/02/2004 10:32:27 PM PST by Quix (Particularly quite true conspiracies are rarely proven until it's too late to do anything about them)
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To: visagoth
As usual with most idiots, felixrayman confuses the articles posted versus the opinions and statements of others.

If he has a problem with what SOMEONE ELSE writes that a Free Republic member post and links to, that's shows his inadequate ability to discriminate between what was posted and the comments that follow.

Boy, they are really afraid of this forum out there, aren't they?
147 posted on 01/02/2004 10:38:58 PM PST by Fledermaus (STOP MAD DEMOCRAT DISEASE NOW! INSPECT ALL SCHOOLS!)
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To: visagoth; Quilla; Jim Robinson
This "article" is just one more rant in a rather substantial list of leftist hit pieces penned by the author. His biting insights and rapier wit will not be missed . . .

felixrayman's Diary

148 posted on 01/02/2004 10:54:22 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: Rebelbase
I've tried to post some crazy articles written on the left, but becasue they were originqlly posted on a left wing site the moderator pulled them. Not very free(Republic)?
149 posted on 01/04/2004 12:08:30 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: visagoth
2 of his examples of pulled responses are for the same post. Either he's got his links wrong, or he's padding the amount of posts pulled. It's impossible to make any sort of evaluative call on his contentions because it's not possible to determine if he used obscene language or something of the sort.

Ironically, I just finished reading a very long thread at DU where someone stated they had some conservative views and asked if he should bother to post there. A large number responded no, he was not welcome. They did not want to be exposed to views that differed from their own. (not all were as bad, there was a few reasonable ones as well). I would like to think that well reasoned and respectful posts, even if they represent a dissenting view might be allowed here...at least within some reason (don't want the board spammed in any way).

150 posted on 01/04/2004 12:14:37 AM PST by highlander_UW
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