James Bovard: Libertarian looney

WBAP-820 | 1/2/2004

[sinkspur]

James Bovard is currently being interviewed by Brian Wilson (a substitute host for Mark Davis).

He believes that "it will be a test as to the strenght of our democracy" when and if George W. Bush "is put on trial for his unconstitutional war and for the murder of Iraqis."

There's still time to hear the last 15 minutes of Bovard's bovine bleatings.

[sinkspur]

I've read a couple of this guy's books, and had no idea he was such a lunatic.

[sinkspur]

Go to wbap.com for a live feed.

[Revolting cat!]

[Cultural Jihad]

Is he a member of the "Libertarians For Howard Dean" committee?

[ArrogantBustard]

His books always seemed reasonable enough ...

"bovine bleatings" ????? Ovine bleatings perhaps... or even Caprine bleatings. But surely not bovine. I'd think a Texan would know better.

[sinkspur]

Bovard repeated his demand that Bush be tried for "the murder of thousands of Iraqi children through bombing and sanctions."

What a flake!

[michaelt]

Did Bovard explain why the war was unconstitutional?

[Cultural Jihad]

Regardless of the war, isn't the issuing of speeding tickets a treasonable offense, according to the losertarians?

[JohnGalt]

Conservative opinion: "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice"

Sinkspure opinion: "Defending liberty is a lost cause, the best we can hope for is social democrat led Republicanism."

Is that about right?

[Taliesan]

I don't get it. Congress said use force and Bush used force.

[sinkspur]

I don't get it. Congress said use force and Bush used force.

You do get it. Bovard doesn't get it.

Instead of making rational arguments, he resorted to the Ramsey-Clarkisms of "murdering Iraqi children."

He said the sanctions that the world imposed on Iraq were the equivalent of genocide, and he thinks Bush should be held responsible. Lots of anger in his voice when he said that.

I was just surprised that someone whose writings on waste in government are so rational could be so off the rails on Iraq.

[tbpiper]

Is that about right?

no

[tbpiper]

Libertarian looney

You realize, of course, that's redundant?

[Cultural Jihad]

Conservative opinion: "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice"

JohnGalt opinion: "Defending liberty is treasonous; the best we can hope for is a moral-liberal isolationist social-Darwinist led Libertarianism."

Is that about right?

[Captain Kirk]

Anyone is deemed a lunatic here who dares to criticize our Big Government president.

[Mr. Jeeves]

This fellow isn't criticizing the President using the language of libertarianism - he's using the language of the radical Left. Which calls into question whether he is really a libertarian, or one of those radical Leftists who like to use "libertarianism" as a cloak of respectability over a very different agenda.

[JohnGalt]

LOL

Diversity is our strength, CK.

[Revolting cat!]

What Brian Wilson once said, (like "I wish they all could be California girls", for example) was more consequential than what some nobody says on a provincial radio station that hardly anyone listens to. A great big yawn!

[Cultural Jihad]

Or really, there is little true difference between the leftists and the libertarians when ideology leads them both into irrelevant extremism.

[woofie]

I think if you head right long enough you run smack dab into the left...note Pat Buchanan

[Protagoras]

Great start to the New year, an anti-Libertarian hate fest. With all the usual suspects in attendance.

[JohnGalt]

Ahh, Bovard is a crypto-leftist??? Does he hate American for our freedom?

LOL

[CWOJackson]

LOL! Just when you thought the lp couldn't make themselves any more irrelevent. But darn that bunch is fun to watch.

[Captain Kirk]

Well...we just disagree. I am not interested in wasting my time slamming a guy for using strong language to criticize the most big government president since LBJ. I am more interest in holding Bush to account for his actions. It seems that we have different priorities on that score.

[headsonpikes]

Or really, there is little true difference between the rightists and the socialists when interest leads them both into smothering statism.

[Protagoras]

George Ryan, Republican Looney

[veronica]

You will find more of these (so-called) Libertarian loonies at certain so-called Libertarian sites. They are stark, raving mad. :)

[veronica]

This fellow isn't criticizing the President using the language of libertarianism - he's using the language of the radical Left. Which calls into question whether he is really a libertarian, or one of those radical Leftists who like to use "libertarianism" as a cloak of respectability over a very different agenda.

Bingo. There are so-called Libertarian sites that are a weird combintion of DU, and even odder, Stormfront. Anti-American leftist paranoia combined with an obsession about "neo-cons."

[ninenot]

JG, you will find Sinky is damn near the ULTIMATE bushbot, and a jingoist besides.

Akin to Illbay, a former FR disreputable Gummint-lover.

OTOH, Sinky can't stand them "furrin influences" like the Pope, who was caught again, in flagrante delicto, asking for peace. For SHAME!!!

[aruanan]

Too bad. His Lost Rights was a good exposé of what government at all levels has been doing to property rights.

[JohnGalt]

LOL

I actually like Sinkspur because he is an honest well read 'Bush' supporter who does not apologize for the socialist creep, unlike some other types who whisper 'if only Bush knew' or mumble inaudibly 'liberal media, Clinton, Democrats'

...I saw some cruel posts by what should be his allies calling him a socialist, and then I realized he was as ostracized on this site as I was.

[Cultural Jihad]

[CWOJackson]

Heck, give him a big red nose and extra large shoes and he's the lp poster child.

[CWOJackson]

Here's one for you:

Sterling D. Allan (Utah)

Sterling Allan jumped into the Libertarian Presidential contest in October 2003. One month later, he exited the LP contest and entered the race for the Constitution Party nomination. Allan -- a former activist in Independent American Party of Utah (and an IAP nominee for State House in 1990) -- could essentially be described as a theocratic candidate. Of course, that would be within his own vision of what God is mandating as a self-described "Davidic Servant." From his various campaign websites (linked above and below), Allan is dedicated to establishing "Zion", which he defines as "the gospel and government of God working in harmony for the improvement and sanctification of all things. The kingdom of heaven on earth." As for his political views, he explains: "I agree with most of the Republican platform, to which the party gives but lip service, while their actions bespeak more of a move toward a cradle-to-grave socialist state." Where he gets a bit ... umm ... different is when he wrote that his own 2004 candidacy was "foretold in Alphabetics Bible Code." Born and raised as a Mormon, the LDS Church excommunicated Allan for "apostasy" (extremist beliefs related to his religious writings) in 1993. Since then, he has devoted nearly all his time to working to create his vision of God's Kingdom on Earth (and he also sells survivalist emergency supplies online). He also maintains that his election is essential to avoid the coming of World War III. See his various sites for more information: SterlingDAllan.com (personal site), Patriot Saints for the Kingdon of God on Earth (Allan's organization), GreaterThings.com (another Allan organization), RemnantSaints.com (another Allan organization), the Remnant Saints Inter-Continental Congress (another Allan organization), the International Patriot Alliance (another Allan organization), JosephPrep.com (Allan's company), and many, many more. Allan has almost zero chance of capturing the CP nomination. He also intends to seek the Presidential nominations of the the US Independent American Party and other conservative parties in order to run as a "fusion" candidate. Allan wrote that the reason he quit the Libertarian contest was because of the LP's "stance on social issues and lack of acknowledgement that a group of people willfully united takes on a life of its own and has rights."

[Cultural Jihad]

FYI, the talk radio host Brian Wilson mentioned in the article is not the famous musician Brian Wilson.

[Xenalyte]

Cows don't bleat, yo.

[Nanodik]

Or really, there is little true difference between the leftists and the libertarians when ideology leads them both into irrelevant extremism.

It was such irrelevant extremism that created the USofA back some two and a quarter centuries ago. What is so relevant about "conservatism"? It's not really different than "socialism" (as it lacks any true definition) since you still end up with the same powerful central govt and everyone ends up having to go to Washington on bended knee to get something.

[Nanodik]

Whacked-out religious weirdos in Utah. Who would have thought?

[CWOJackson]

A whacked-out religious weirdo who can't seem to make up his mind...libertarian party...conservative party...libertarian party...

[Nanodik]

You're missing the point. He does not need to make up his mind, God will appear in a vision (along with another wife) and make up his mind for him.

[Cultural Jihad]

Or really, there is little true difference between the rightists and the socialists when interest leads them both into smothering statism.

Insta-Ideloguese-to-English translation: "Conservatives are socialists because they won't advocate burning down public schools and they won't repeal child labor laws."

"These marijuana plants will fetch a great price on the market, and my boss says he might cut me in on a percentage of the profits instead of just getting 50 cents an hour and all the leaves I can smoke. My only dream in life is to earn enough money so that someday I can afford to go to school and learn to read and write. Then my mind will be really opened up, and I'll be able to go places!" -- Libertarian-Soviet Life Magazine

[BlackElk]

Can you modify that to show Lyin' George Ryan in his next uniform of horizontal stripes?

[BlackElk]

JG: Thank you! I was afraid I was going to have to choose between you and Sinkspur as targets. It was a great potential confusion. Fortunately, by defending Sinkspur, you have reslved the dilemma and empowered me left to hunt you both.

For whatever it is worth, I believe that sink is only behaving like a nationalist, interventionist and patriot because it furthers his pope-bashing AmChurch left agenda to attack the pope. If he can alienate Americans who are Roman Catholic from the pope on foreign policy, maybe he can convince them to abandon Catholicism itself in favor of the AmChurch left version that favors birth control, anarchy or democracy in the pews, hatred of religious orthodoxy, married clergy, homosexual canoodling complee with special rights for the canoodlers.

Not even the fact that sink is playing interventionist on the internet for other reasons will revive the Neville Chamberlain approach to national surrender as a knee-jerk response to everything.

Israel: The only Middle Eastern country that allows Arabs to vote!

[Protagoras]

It will be a sweet day when we can post his picture here as the criminal he is, and the poster boy for the Republican party.

Smearing groups of people by association with one person is great sport. At least for the radical theocrats who masquerade here as conservatives. (But who can't hide their true obsession of hatred against anyone who dares to seek freedom)

[JohnGalt]

If my posts constitute your definition of a defense, I can only offer you a puzzled look, however, I find sinkspur far more honest than your recent polemical adventures.

Peace to you, and long live the Pope John Paul II, a friend of peace and liberty. His noble stand against the Iraqiot Architects and you bedfellows really must have been a bummer, eh?

[Protagoras]

[DannyTN]

"He said the sanctions that the world imposed on Iraq were the equivalent of genocide,"

Ah yes, the old starving Iraqi children ploy. Nevermind that Saddam siphoned off $40 billion from Iraq and diverted unknown amounts more to his illegal weapons programs. But if the children starve, it must be Bush's fault.

[Protagoras]

[Cultural Jihad]

Do you think that the socialist George Soros is getting his money's worth out of the LP?

[DannyTN]

"Do you think that the socialist George Soros is getting his money's worth out of the LP?"

Seems counterproductive to me. I'm not sure that it's drawing as many conservatives as it is the rules free anything goes Democratic hippy crowd.

And it seems to me that they keep taking stands that can't be taken seriously.