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Irwin defends croc feeding stunt (says it was important to teach kids about danger)
The Age ^ | Jan 3, 2004

Posted on 01/03/2004 12:38:07 AM PST by hotpotato

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To: arjay
It's not a Michael Jackson type of thing? How so?


Jackson dangles his baby from a hotel balcony and Steve Irwin dangles and walks his baby a few feet away from a hungry 12 ft crocodile. Jackson's motive was to show his baby to the crowd. Irwin's motive was also to show his baby to the crowd. Jackson said he was in complete control the entire time and Irwin also said he was in complete control.


There is no difference. Accept maybe that Jackson was in control of his grip on the baby and Irwin was in control of his grip on the baby but wasn't in control of the crocodile.


It's perfectly justified to compare Irwin's actions to Jackson's.
21 posted on 01/03/2004 7:32:15 AM PST by Ssrn53
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To: hotpotato
But it's all about perceived danger ... I was in complete control.

On Thursday night I was watching a program showing another Australian crocodile expert who was hand feeding a croc' he had owned for a long, long time and he too was in complete control. However the croc' didn't seem to realize who was controlling who and when it was offered a piece of chicken it turned sideways and bit the trainer on the foot.

22 posted on 01/03/2004 7:53:53 AM PST by scouse
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To: RexRichard
The lunkhead is free to risk his own life but to endanger his infant son and then say it's all about teaching the baby about danger.

As long as he brings cash to the Aussies I guess they don't mind what he does. No charges will be filed. How pathetic.

23 posted on 01/03/2004 9:09:56 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: arjay
On my, it just would not be right to pass judgement on anyone who would jeopardize the life of his infant. We must get to the root causes of his actions before we can condemn him.

But first, we all join hands and sing kumbaya!

24 posted on 01/03/2004 9:11:16 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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25 posted on 01/03/2004 9:17:05 AM PST by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: beaversmom
And I sincerely believe that Bindi is the most well-rounded kid her age

*Rolling my eyes*

26 posted on 01/03/2004 9:18:52 AM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: GeronL
If Jacko had dropped little blanket, he would have been caught given all the fans down below the balcony. I still think Jacko had a senior moment doing that. What do you do against a crocodile? Either way, he deserves to be called stupid but not have his kid taken away.
28 posted on 01/03/2004 9:22:42 AM PST by cyborg
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To: arjay
You also should know that he has a team of three spotters who surround the fence during feeding time and they will tell him if a croc is approaching or making unusual movement. He gets their comments through the headset that he wears.
29 posted on 01/03/2004 9:25:12 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Constructionist
Irwin is an experienced animal handler. Jackson is no weight lifter. There's no comparison.

Who's comparing? I am posting a photo.

30 posted on 01/03/2004 9:26:45 AM PST by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: cyborg
The only one more stupid in this irresponsible stunt, according to the AP story, is the infant's mother:

Irwin's American wife, Terri, had handed the baby over to Irwin in the enclosure and giggled at the spectacle. "It was a wonderful sensory experience for him (the baby). He dug it," she said.

I conclude from her comment that she's from Marin County.

31 posted on 01/03/2004 9:30:33 AM PST by glennaro
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To: glennaro
She sounds like a flake.
32 posted on 01/03/2004 9:31:37 AM PST by cyborg
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To: scouse
The first thing I thought when I saw this "feeding stunt" was, "just how in control would he be if something unexpected happened?" How likely is it that a hungry crocodile could distinguish between the two types of "meat" the "crocodile expert" was holding in each of his hands?
33 posted on 01/03/2004 9:33:13 AM PST by LucyJo
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To: Constructionist
Irwin is an experienced animal handler. .

I agree - he undoubtedly he is. He seems fearless at times - but it is a baby he is handling in the photo - not an animal.

Here's another photo.



34 posted on 01/03/2004 9:37:05 AM PST by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: bwteim
he undoubtedly he is = he undoubtedly is
35 posted on 01/03/2004 9:38:00 AM PST by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Yes, I saw that, too. He was treating the child like an animated puppet. The whole episode was celebrity showboating - another completely out of touch Hollywood character..

36 posted on 01/03/2004 9:51:02 AM PST by Burn24
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To: Ssrn53
While I don't think Steve should've done what he did, there is one big difference in this incident and the Michael Jackson one.

Michael Jackson's son was old enough to squirm and kick and fight against what was happening to him. IMHO, that's what makes the Michael Jackson video so disturbing. The kid was kicking and struggling and Michael could have easily lost his grip on the baby. Steve's baby is only one month old, and never moved during the entire incident.

Another difference is that Steve is a crocodile expert. He's fed that crocodile hundreds of times. How many times has Michael Jackson held 15-30 wiggling pounds over a balcony with one weak arm?

Still, Steve shouldn't have done it, and I hope he's learned from his mistake.

ww
37 posted on 01/03/2004 10:24:28 AM PST by worrywart
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
After feeding the crock he then put the child on the ground and acted like the 3 month old child was walking.

These type of people are often victims of their own delusional "control." A world-renowned shark expert took Nigel (what's his name) into the water seething with bull sharks with the same attitude as Irwin stating he had nothing to fear. Noted shark expert, Dr. Erich Ritter, has said that he has never been bitten by a shark because he understands shark behavior." All of a sudden, one of them grabbed Ritter and took off a meaty portion of his leg (calf muscle). Dr. Sam Gruber, a shark expert from the University of Miami said in a Reuters news story "He (Ritter) wants to impress people that he can control these sharks and they will never bite him."

Not too long ago, California wildlife author and "bear expert" Timothy Treadwell, got himself and his female companion killed and eaten by a bear. He too believed he was in control. He would ease up close to the bears chanting "I love you" in a high pitched voice and sing to them. He also gave them names. A self-proclaimed eco-warrior, he attracted something of a cult following too. Chuck Bartlebaugh of "Be Bear Aware,'' a national bear awareness campaign, called Treadwell one of the leaders of a group of people engaged in "a trend to promote getting close to bears to show they were not dangerous. Treadwell believed he could teach the public about bear safety.

The world has no shortage of "animal experts in control of the situatation" who are food waiting to happen.

38 posted on 01/03/2004 10:42:44 AM PST by hotpotato
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To: worrywart
Another difference is that Steve is a crocodile expert. He's fed that crocodile hundreds of times.

Yup. And he had a "bloopers" tv program which shows him finding himself in unanticipated situations with animals he's feeding... such as being bitten by said animals.

It's one thing when he puts his own life on the line or others who are supposed to be adult enough to decide for themselves. It was completely different to be holding a tiny infant while putting himself at risk. He was being arrogant and careless as well as incredibly stupid. And that baby's mother needs to have her head examined.

39 posted on 01/03/2004 10:49:04 AM PST by hotpotato
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To: hotpotato
A follow-up to the story:


Defiant: "I am not an irresponsible parent," said croc hunter Steve Irwin, pictured with his daughter Bindi yesterday. Picture: Jamie Hanson

Croc Hunter snaps back

By CHRIS TINKLER and FRANCES WHITING
04jan04

A DISTRAUGHT Steve Irwin is considering withdrawing from
public life, after being condemned across the world for holding his baby boy within reach of a crocodile.

In an exclusive interview with the Sunday Herald Sun last
night, the tearful Crocodile Hunter said he and his
family were "absolutely devastated".
The emotional outburst comes after a roller-coaster two days for Mr Irwin and wife, Terri.

On Friday, Mr Irwin shocked the world by dangling baby Bob
inches from the jaws of a 4m crocodile, while feeding
the reptile a dead chicken in a live show at his
Sunshine Coast park.

The Queensland Families Department said it would examine
unedited tapes of Friday's incident for health
and safety breaches and Irwin received a
dressing down from police.

In an act of defiance, Mr Irwin and wife Terri sparked
fresh controversy by sending their daughter into a
crocodile enclosure with elephants and calling her "white
meat", in a live show yesterday.

Five-year-old Bindi was told to enter a new enclosure next
to a crocodile pen, then told to splash around to
encourage the reptiles to swim out.

Before a dumbfounded crowd, mum Terri said: "Flail around
and look helpless, that's the girl.

"The problem is if the crocodile comes in too quickly then
I have to buy new floaties because they always pop."

Bindi was then left alone in the water as three fully-grown
elephants entered, and stamped and trumpeted a metre
away.

A zoo official said a gate connecting the pool to the croc
pen was shut during the show, but patrons were less
than impressed.

Queenslander of the Year, Mr Irwin later stormed out of a
press conference outside the zoo during questioning
over his first stunt with one-month-old Bob.

But last night a visibly upset Mr Irwin poured out his
heart, saying he was simply carrying on his family
tradition and doing what his father had done for him.

"I am not a bad parent, I am not an irresponsible a parent,
I am not a bad father," Mr Irwin said.

"I would lay down my life for Bindi and Bob, so to hear
people say that it was a publicity stunt, that I'm just
like Michael Jackson dangling his baby over a balcony,
well, it just tears me up inside."

Mr Irwin said while he understood the distress the footage
may have caused, he also appealed for people to
understand that theirs was not "a normal family living
with a normal back yard".

"My parents raised me among crocs and snakes and some of
the most dangerous creatures in the world, right here
at Australia Zoo," he said.

"They exposed me to them from a very early age, not because
they were irresponsible, but because they loved me."

"I caught my first brown snake when I was four years old, Gmy first croc at eight.

"Now my kids are just like me, growing up at the zoo," Mr
Irwin said.

Terri said she had never seen her husband so upset.

Mr Irwin said he was "not sure" what he would do next,
saying he needed time alone with his family to "think things over".

"I know people will say, 'Well you invited us all into your
lives, and this is what happens when you do that' and
fair enough, I did invite the whole world into our
lives, into our family.

"But I do that to spread the word about wildlife, about our
passion for wildlife.

"Now I'm really questioning if that's the right way to go."

40 posted on 01/03/2004 4:32:08 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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