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Egypt Airliner CRASHED in Egypt - A final update on root cause analysis? Technical Fault Blamed
Various | 1/3/2004 | ME

Posted on 01/03/2004 4:50:17 AM PST by Gorons

Egypt Plane Crash Kills 148; Technical Fault Blamed

By Ruben Sprich Reuters Saturday, January 3, 2004; 7:15 AM

SHARM EL-SHEIKH, Egypt (Reuters) - An Egyptian Boeing 737 airliner carrying 135 mostly French tourists crashed into the Red Sea off the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh on Saturday and a rescue team member said there were no survivors.

"The initial indications are that it was a technical fault, but that is only preliminary," Civil Aviation Ministry Secretary-General Hassan Abo Ghanima told Reuters. He had said earlier: "There is no sign of terrorism."

The plane, operated by the Egyptian company Flash Airlines, disappeared from radar screens minutes after take-off from Sharm el-Sheikh airport at 0244 GMT and crashed into deep water a few miles to the southeast, official sources said.

The pilots did not report any problem and the weather was normal with good visibility, official sources said. The plane was heading for Cairo to refuel, change crew and take on more passengers before flying on to Paris.

A French diplomat based in Egypt said there were 135 passengers aboard, all but one French, and 13 Egyptian and Moroccan crew members.

The crash coincided with intense U.S. concern about possible attacks involving civilian airliners, which has led to the cancellation of seven U.S.-bound flights in just over a week.

Egyptian military aircraft and ships, helped by small boats from nearby diving centers, launched a rescue operation at first light. Eyewitnesses said they were finding pieces of human bodies but no complete corpses and no survivors.

"We have half of a body here, half a body there. But we don't have any body in one piece," said a rescue worker, speaking by telephone from one of the boats.

"There's lots of personal stuff, small bags and toys. We have collected very small pieces of the plane but the body of the plane has sunk," said another rescue worker, who asked not to be named.

Yasser Imam, a spokesman for the local authorities, said: "What they have picked up so far is just fragments of bodies. The chances of finding complete bodies look slim because of the force with which the plane hit the surface of the water."

DEEP WATER

The plane crashed in the Strait of Tiran, between the Sinai peninsula and Saudi Arabia, where the water is hundreds of meters (feet) deep -- too deep for divers to reach the flight recording devices, diving school managers said.

French President Jacques Chirac telephoned his Egyptian counterpart Hosni Mubarak to obtain details of the crash and expressed his "deepest shock" at the tragedy, his office said.

Eyewitnesses in Sharm el-Sheikh said the rescue operation was concentrating on an area about half a mile off Naama Bay, the site of many large hotels.

An Egyptian armed forces C-130 transport plane and two helicopters were taking part in the search, witnesses said.

Flash Airlines is an Egyptian charter airline company based in Cairo and flying to European cities. It flew two Boeing 737-300 planes manufactured in 1993, according to its Web site.

The plane was maintained regularly in Norway and there was no sign of any mechanical fault before its last flight, the official Egyptian news agency MENA reported.

French Transport Minister Gilles de Robien went to Charles de Gaulle airport, where distraught friends and relatives of passengers on the flight were being told of the crash.

An eyewitness speaking on Egyptian television said people heard a loud noise at the time of the crash but he interpreted this as the sound of the plane hitting the water. "In the morning we were surprised by a kind of slapping noise in the sea, a very loud noise," said the unidentified witness.

Sharm el-Sheikh, a major diving resort, is considered one of the most secure places in Egypt because of its isolation and Mubarak's frequent presence. Police man checkpoints on the only paved roads into the resort and check travelers' identities.

The last major crash by an Egyptian plane took place in May 2002, when a Boeing 767 of the state airline EgyptAir crashed near Tunis airport, killing 15 people.

In October 1999, an EgyptAir Boeing 767 dived into the sea off Nantucket, Massachusetts, killing all 217 people on board.

On Christmas Day, a Beirut-bound Boeing 727 smashed into the Atlantic after take-off from Benin, killing 138 people.

© 2004 Reuters


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I find it suspect they've achieved root cause with 12 hours of sifting through debris.

Anyone else feel the same way?

1 posted on 01/03/2004 4:50:18 AM PST by Gorons
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To: Gorons
yes.
3 posted on 01/03/2004 4:52:58 AM PST by hershey
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To: Gorons
I find it suspect they've achieved root cause with 12 hours of sifting through debris.

The article clearly states the findings are "preliminary". Your conclusions are suspect.

4 posted on 01/03/2004 4:53:16 AM PST by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: Gorons
The Islamic calendar which predicted the 911 Atrocities months in advance.


5 posted on 01/03/2004 4:57:39 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Gorons
As someone posted on another thread:

Following is a chronology of major airline crashes since 2001.

July 3, 2001 -- A Russian Tupolev-154 plane crashed near the Siberian city of Irkutsk, killing 136 passengers and nine crew members on board.

Oct. 4, 2001 -- A Russian Tupolev-154 jet flying from Israel plunged into the Black Sea, killing all 78 on board, after it was hit by a stray Ukrainian missile during live-fire exercises in the Crimean peninsula.

Oct. 8, 2001 -- At least 114 people were killed when a Scandinavian Airlines System (SAS) airliner and a small plane collided in heavy fog at Milan's Linate airport.

Nov. 12, 2001 -- An American Airlines Airbus A300 bound for Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic, crashed into New York's Queen's district minutes after take off, killing at least 265 people.

Jan. 28, 2002 -- A Boeing 727 belonging to Ecuadorian carrier TAME with 92 passengers and crew on board crashed into Colombia's Cumbal volcano, killing all on board.

Feb. 12, 2002 -- An Iran Air Tours TU-154 passenger plane flying from Tehran to Khorramabad crashed near the western city, killing all 119 people on board.

April 15, 2002 -- An Air China Boeing 767 passenger aircraft traveling from Beijing to Pusan in South Korea crashed into a mountain. Of the 166 on board 38 survived. It was Air China's first crash in nearly 50 years.

May 4, 2002 -- A Nigerian EAS Airlines' BAC 1-11-500 with 105 people on board crashed in the northern Nigerian city of Kano, killing at least 148 people.

May 7, 2002 -- A China Northern MD-82 jet fell into the sea off Dalian in northeast China, killing all 112 passengers and crew on board.

July 1, 2002 -- A Bashkirian Airlines Tupolev 154 passenger plane carrying Russian children to a holiday in Spain collided with a German cargo Boeing 757 near Lake Constance in southwestern Germany, killing 71 people, including 52 children.

Feb. 19, 2003 -- An Iranian military plane crashed near Kerman in southeastern Iran. Iran said all 276 soldiers and aircrew aboard were killed.

March 6, 2003 -- An Algerian flag carrier Boeing 737-200 crashed shortly after take-off from Tamanrasset airport, killing at least 102 passengers and crew.

May 26, 2003 -- An Ukrainian YK-42 passenger plane heading to Spain crashed near the Trabzon Airport in northeastern Turkey, killing 74, including 62 Spanish soldiers returning from their peacekeeping mission in Afghanistan.

July 8, 2003 -- A Sudanese Boeing 737 crashed shortly after taking off from Port Sudan airport, killing 105 passengers and 11 crew members. The head of the Sudan's defense forces and at least seven foreigners were among the dead.

Dec. 25, 2003 -- A Boeing 727 owned by Union des Transports Africains (UTA) crashed en route Beirut over the coastal capital of Cotonou, Benin, with 151 passengers and 10 crew members on board. By the end of Dec. 31, the death toll has risen to 139.

Jan. 3, 2004 -- An Egyptian charter plane Boeing 737 crashed into the Red Sea early on Saturday shortly after taking off from the resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, killing all the 135 passengers and six crew members aboard.

Copyright 2004 XINHUA NEWS AGENCY
6 posted on 01/03/2004 5:02:14 AM PST by weegee
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To: Gorons
they collected all the parts and reassemled them, studied the thing for weeks and have declared a cause?? in a few hours??

oh please.

Neither France nor Egypt can afford this to be terrorism, even if it is.

7 posted on 01/03/2004 5:02:29 AM PST by GeronL (The French just can't stop being French.)
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To: Gorons
I am finding the LACK of meaningful news coverage of this crash this morning (even on FoxNews) a sign that perhaps something is being hidden (terrorism). I saw this kind of thing before after Ft. 587, at OKC, and after other "accidents". This smells. I wonder how the French feel about this.
8 posted on 01/03/2004 5:02:46 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: Gorons
"We have half of a body here, half a body there. But we don't have any body in one piece," said a rescue worker, speaking by telephone from one of the boats

sounds like a bomb.

In their rush to call this an accident they are making this look more and more suspicious.

9 posted on 01/03/2004 5:04:19 AM PST by GeronL (The French just can't stop being French.)
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To: Gorons
The initial indications are that it was a technical fault

I suspect they will try to portray this as the root cause although they probably will know the actual root cause very soon...if not already.

10 posted on 01/03/2004 5:04:25 AM PST by evad (This tagline from will1776 has been timed to best benefit George W. Bush)
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To: Gorons
Here's what I'm thinking - I think terrorism is involved, but that the French will find a way to blame us because they will say that the U.S. actually committed this act to make the French get on board with the plan to rid the world of terrorism.

Any bets here?

11 posted on 01/03/2004 5:07:26 AM PST by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: weegee; billorites; Lazamataz; Straight Pipes; Conspiracy Guy; woodyinscc; Incorrigible; ...
I am finding the LACK of meaningful news coverage of this crash this morning (even on FoxNews) a sign that perhaps something is being hidden (terrorism). I saw this kind of thing before after Ft. 587, at OKC, and after other "accidents". This smells. I wonder how the French feel about this.

FoxNews just read all the news on the hour, and didn't even mention it. What's this about?

I'm smelling 'shoulder launcher'.

12 posted on 01/03/2004 5:08:02 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: thesummerwind
See my reply at number 11.
13 posted on 01/03/2004 5:08:46 AM PST by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: M. Peach
You're most likely right!!!
14 posted on 01/03/2004 5:09:27 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: thesummerwind
I am finding the LACK of meaningful news coverage of this crash this morning (even on FoxNews) a sign that perhaps something is being hidden (terrorism). I saw this kind of thing before after Ft. 587, at OKC, and after other "accidents". This smells. I wonder how the French feel about this.

That, and the lack of any large peices of wreckage. If it was terrorism, what do you think the French will do or say?

15 posted on 01/03/2004 5:10:45 AM PST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: M. Peach
They have not mentioned this on FoxNews for at least 40 minutes. I am nearly sure the coverup for this is being put together by all governments concerned. Remember the plane crash in Russia......same thing! Very sure. This should be the # 1 story!!!!
16 posted on 01/03/2004 5:11:53 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: Glenn
If you read this thread that I started on this topic originally, in fact specifically this subject, you'll understand why I am suspicious:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1050751/posts?page=206#206

Regarding the Pittsburgh 737-300 crash;

The jet that crashed outside Pittsburgh was a Boeing 737-300, a model nicknamed the "Quichewagon."

It's called that because it has computers that let the plane practically fly itself. Pilots who rely on the high-tech devices are less macho. They are "quiche-eaters."

The stubby two-engine plane has all the sex appeal of a four-door sedan. Other jets have mean-sounding nicknames like Mad Dog, Mega-Dog and Yard Dart, but the 737 names are wimpy: Fat Albert, Guppy, Fat Little Ugly Fellow, or FLUF.

It is dull but efficient, the world's most widely used airliner. As you read this, more than 700 are in the air. The plane accounts for 40 percent of the flights from Tampa International Airport, far more than any other plane.

The question facing Haueter was whether the Fat Little Ugly Fellow had a hidden flaw, a gremlin that had gone undetected since the first 737s began flying 30 years earlier. If there was a flaw, it would be like Russian roulette: Countless 737s could fly without a problem, but some day, another one would go down.

A lot was riding on the investigation: the safety of passengers boarding 737s every day; the fate of the airplane itself; the fortunes of USAir and Boeing; and the reputation of the NTSB.

Most crashes are solved within a few weeks, but this one would defy explanation. It would become one of the greatest mysteries in the history of aviation.

Haueter's detective work would require a combination of amazing science and luck. His team would explore everything from whether a hydraulic gadget failed to whether a terrorist blew up the plane to whether it crashed because a fat passenger stepped through the floor.

Finding the truth would be especially difficult because of the raw politics that intruded on the investigation. Boeing, in particular, would play hardball to keep the government from blaming its airplane.

It took 28 seconds for the plane to flip out of the sky and crash into the hill in Hopewell. It would take more than four years for the NTSB to decide if it could explain why.

* * *

The plane's black boxes – the voice and flight recorders that really are bright orange – were found a few hours after the crash and flown to Washington.

Technicians in the NTSB lab pried open the battered flight data recorder, transferred the data into a computer and zapped it back to the Holiday Inn in Pittsburgh within a few hours. The first person to see it was John Clark, a silver-haired NTSB engineer. He sat on the floor, studying the numbers on his laptop computer.

The newest recorders take more than 100 measurements of a flight, but the box in the USAir plane took only 11 basic measurements, giving only a rough picture of what happened to Flight 427. Still, the box gave Clark an important clue. The numbers for compass heading showed that at 6,000 feet above Hopewell, the nose of the 737 had abruptly moved left, like a car starting to skid sideways on wet pavement.

Many things can make a plane do that, but one was most likely: a sudden move by the rudder.

"There is something going on here with the yaw," Clark told Haueter. "It looks like this airplane had some type of rudder event."

It was an encouraging lead. But NTSB investigators have an old saying: Never believe anything you hear in the first 48 hours. The first few theories about a crash – the causes du jour – typically don't pan out.

Back in Washington, the voice recorder team was meeting in one of the safety board's listening rooms, replaying the final words of pilots Emmett and Germano. The rooms have thick walls and insulated ceilings so screams and dying words won't be overheard by people passing in the hallway.

The tape from the USAir plane made one thing clear: The pilots never understood what was going wrong.

The engineers played the recording over and over. And over and over came Germano's dying words: "What the hell is this?"
17 posted on 01/03/2004 5:12:57 AM PST by Gorons
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To: cardinal4
The French will say (at least under their breath) we did it to get them into the fray!!!
18 posted on 01/03/2004 5:13:01 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: Gorons
I guess the "no sign of terrorism" means no one was carrying a sign saying this aircraft is targeted by terrorist. I know the French families of the dead accept this moronic statement.
19 posted on 01/03/2004 5:13:24 AM PST by boomop1
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To: Glenn
For the rest of the Pittsburgh story read here:

Sorry about that!

For the rest of the story about the Pittsburgh 737-300 story, and the plight of that model Boeing overall, there is much more information to be found here:

http://www.sptimes.com/28-seconds/index.html

28 seconds - The mystery of USAir flight 427

This is a copyrighted website with lots of information.

20 posted on 01/03/2004 5:14:04 AM PST by Gorons
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I don't think the French will blame us - that would be too ridiculous even for them. But they will be very quiet about the real causes of this.

Remember, just yesterday, at "evening prayers," the Iranians were screaming "Death to the French" because of the headscarf ban. (The only religion I know in which "prayers" consist of screaming "Death to [fill in the blank].")

In any case, the French tried to suck up to the Islamics, but have found that it's not possible, and they are now on the Muslim hit-list just like the rest of the West.
21 posted on 01/03/2004 5:14:29 AM PST by livius
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To: thesummerwind
I saw this kind of thing before after Ft. 587, at OKC, and after other "accidents". This smells.

ALL products of an over-active imagination fueled by a never-ending litany of conspiracy theories offered up on the slimmest of 'evidence' and un-linked factors ...

22 posted on 01/03/2004 5:16:37 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Gorons
If you read this thread that I started on this topic originally, in fact specifically this subject, you'll understand why I am suspicious:

I live in Hopewell. I drive past the flowers on nearly a daily basis. What has one got to do with the other?

23 posted on 01/03/2004 5:16:40 AM PST by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: Glenn
In the other thread people automatically jumped to conclusions it was terrorist related.

In reality it took years to unravel a flaw rudder design.
24 posted on 01/03/2004 5:18:25 AM PST by Gorons
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To: hershey
This article from Germany's "Die Welt" says the plane tried to turn around....


ecerpt....

Authorities indicate a technical breakdown as cause

Reason for the crash is presumably a technical breakdown. The airplane had a "problem" shortly after the start, said deputy French Minister of Transportion Dominique Bussereau in Paris. In the attempt to return to the airport at Scharm el Scheich the plane crashed into the Red Sea. The Egyptian authorities also spoke of a technical problem. French radio reported, referencing the Egyptian aviation agency, there hadn't been any explosion on board.

"Die Welt"....Ägyptische Boeing ins Rote Meer gestürzt - 148 Menschen tot

Translated by longjack

25 posted on 01/03/2004 5:19:07 AM PST by longjack
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To: thesummerwind
I am nearly sure the coverup for this is ...

Oh brother - give us a break! Let's get some actual facts in hand before 'jumping to confusion'!

26 posted on 01/03/2004 5:19:36 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: thesummerwind
You can take it to the bank that some in France will believe that. Remember that there was an author in France who had TWO bestsellers alledging that NO PLANE flew into the Pentagon on 9.11.2001.
27 posted on 01/03/2004 5:19:40 AM PST by weegee
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To: longjack
This begs the question then;

If they were 7 miles beyond the airport, why no communication with the tower?
28 posted on 01/03/2004 5:21:17 AM PST by Gorons
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To: Gorons

"There is no sign of terrorism!"

(Oh, and BTW, the Muslim Brotherhood has attacked Western tourists on a number of occassions, and Egypt depends on foreign tourism for a large percentage of their foreign exchange)

29 posted on 01/03/2004 5:22:33 AM PST by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: M. Peach
In light of our terror alert status, recently cancelled flights, flights searched after landing, folks hitching rides in wheelwells, and al Qaeda threatening terror via planes, it seems one must, at least, consider terrorism as a cause in this crash.
30 posted on 01/03/2004 5:22:37 AM PST by Quilla
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To: cardinal4
The French would be too embrrassed to admit it was terrorism, the Egyptians depend on tourism, its HALF their economy!!

Neither will allow this to be terrorism.

31 posted on 01/03/2004 5:23:23 AM PST by GeronL (The French just can't stop being French.)
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To: weegee
Remember that there was an author in France who had TWO bestsellers alledging that NO PLANE flew into the Pentagon on 9.11.2001.

How did that nitwit explain the downed -hit by the airliner- light poles along the highway there -

- or the NUMEROUS eyewitnesses who saw this occur -

- or the several calls from Barbara Olsen to her husband Ted Olsen working in the Bush Justice Department?

32 posted on 01/03/2004 5:24:08 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: longjack
The German phrase Technische Panne is probably better translated to 'mechanical breakdown' here. "technical breakdown" is the literal translation, i didn't catch that right away when I edited the machine translation.

Sorry.

Also, ecerpt, of course, should be excerpt.

longjack

33 posted on 01/03/2004 5:25:51 AM PST by longjack
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To: Gorons
If they were 7 miles beyond the airport, why no communication with the tower?

Avigate - navigate - communicate ... in that order -

- they were probably (most often they are!) TOO busy fighting a problem to 'radio in' the specific problem ...

34 posted on 01/03/2004 5:26:04 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: thesummerwind
Of course it would be a "technical fault", and therefore not newsworthy. A reprise of Egyptian Flight 990, when the "Former Occupant of the Oval Office, 1993-2001" would have found it "inconvenient" to indicate the trip to Glory Land was anything but drifting off course.
35 posted on 01/03/2004 5:27:36 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: Quilla
In light of our terror alert status, recently cancelled flights, flights searched after landing, folks hitching rides in wheelwells, and al Qaeda threatening terror via planes, it seems one must, at least, consider terrorism as a cause in this crash.

It would be a far *wiser* move to get the relevant facts in hand *before* postulating a pet 'theory' too ...

36 posted on 01/03/2004 5:28:00 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
I said 'nearly'. I've seen this before. NOW, it is over a full hour that FoxNews hasn't even mentioned this crash. I've seen this before. You will see, and your little play on words (jumping to confusion) is less than brilliant and childish!
37 posted on 01/03/2004 5:28:14 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: _Jim
ALL products of an over-active imagination fueled by a never-ending litany of conspiracy theories offered up on the slimmest of 'evidence' and un-linked factors ...

Don't argue the point. That just makes you a part of the plot.

Don't you see? The officials said it's not a conspiracy, so it must be a conspiracy!

38 posted on 01/03/2004 5:28:15 AM PST by Toskrin (No world leader has been caught in a hole that size since Bill Clinton.)
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To: longjack
of course it tried to turn around, it was supposed to turn around to head to Cairo!
39 posted on 01/03/2004 5:29:01 AM PST by GeronL (The French just can't stop being French.)
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To: thesummerwind
Fox News is not owned by the Egyptian or French government. Here's a simple explanation - they don't think it's worth reporting until they get more facts.
40 posted on 01/03/2004 5:30:43 AM PST by Toskrin (No world leader has been caught in a hole that size since Bill Clinton.)
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To: Gorons
The crash occured at 4:44 AM German time. It did not show up on any German sites I was monitoring until 8:30 AM. I read about here on FR long before I saw it on a German site.

Does any one know if that is SOP?

Didn't the first reports say there was no indication from the plane that there was a problem?

longjack

41 posted on 01/03/2004 5:31:19 AM PST by longjack
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To: _Jim
ALL products of an over-active imagination fueled by a never-ending litany of conspiracy theories

OK, 'single bullet/Vince died in the park- _Jim'.

42 posted on 01/03/2004 5:31:23 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: Gorons
"There is no sign of terrorism."

Other than a crashed plane....
43 posted on 01/03/2004 5:32:22 AM PST by Tycobb
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To: longjack
someone even mentioned the weather.... but there wasn't any.
45 posted on 01/03/2004 5:33:02 AM PST by GeronL (The French just can't stop being French.)
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To: GeronL
A few years ago, Egyptian Jihadists opened fire on German tourists south of Cairo.(The name of the city escapes me)They killed 50+ people. It was right around the time Egyptair 990 crashed into the sea. There is speculation that it was a suicide act of the first officer, in the name of Jihad. Its sounds like Mr Mubarek had better be careful; he could wind up bleeding untidily like his predecessor, Sadat.
46 posted on 01/03/2004 5:34:04 AM PST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: thesummerwind
NOW, it is over a full hour that FoxNews hasn't even mentioned this crash.

IT'S been mentioned on Fox - it's been documented here - IT'S ALL OVER GOOGLE NEWS:

news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=egypt+airliner&sa=N&tab=wn

WHAT are you looking for anyway - personal reassurance via a phonce call from Prez Bush on this?

Geesh.

47 posted on 01/03/2004 5:34:27 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Quilla
It was an exploding guy in the wheel well....
48 posted on 01/03/2004 5:35:01 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: GeronL
of course it tried to turn around, it was supposed to turn around to head to Cairo


Bei dem Versuch, zum Flughafen Scharm el Scheich zurückzukehren,

"in the attempt to return to the airport at Scharm el Scheich"

longjack

49 posted on 01/03/2004 5:35:10 AM PST by longjack
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To: seamole
The flight had a problem on takeoff and tried to turn back when it crashed, Bussereau said during a press conference at Charles de Gaulle airport

First I heard of this.

50 posted on 01/03/2004 5:35:11 AM PST by GeronL (The French just can't stop being French.)
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