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To Vote, Or Not To Vote That Is The Question
LewRockwell.com ^ | January 5, 2004 | Linda Schrock Taylor

Posted on 01/05/2004 4:30:20 PM PST by Federalist 78

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What have the RNC, heavily infiltrated by the DNC, done to achieve the goals of Free Republic?

Compare the goals of Free Republic to The Bush Record and then to anyone of these:

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 Will the conservative base continue to "lie back and enjoy it" or put Principle Before Party?

 In 1990 Clayton Williams was the Republican candidate for governor in the state of Texas. He was locked in a tight race with Democrat Ann Richards but seemed to be gaining momentum in the final weeks of the campaign. Then it happened. The brash millionaire opened his mouth and inserted his foot up all the way up to his knee.
Hoping to curry favor with the press, Williams invited several reporters for some informal "off the record" time at his ranch. In casual conversation, the subject of the weather came up. Williams could not resist the temptation to play meteorologist and commented that bad weather is sort of like rape: "as long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it."
 

11 Republican Senators, 41 Republican House Members and One Republican President Signed BCRA-2002

McConnell v. Federal Election Comm'n V. Amendment I (Speech and Press) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Virginia Declaration of Rights, sec. 12, 12 June 1776
12. That the freedom of the press is one of the great bulwarks of liberty, and can never be restrained but by despotick governments.

Dissent by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist:

"The court attempts to sidestep the unprecedented breadth of this regulation by stating that the `close relationship between federal officeholders and the national parties' makes all donations to the national parties `suspect.' But a close association with others, especially in the realm of political speech, is not a surrogate for corruption; it is one of our most treasured First Amendment rights. The court's willingness to impute corruption on the basis of a relationship greatly infringes associational rights and expands Congress' ability to regulate political speech..."

"No doubt Congress was convinced by the many abuses of the current system that something in this area must be done. Its response, however, was too blunt."

Dissent by Justice Antonin Scalia (news - web sites):

"This is a sad day for the freedom of speech. Who could have imagined that the same court which, within the past four years, has sternly disapproved of restriction upon such inconsequential forms of expression as virtual child pornography, tobacco advertising, dissemination of illegally intercepted communications, and sexually explicit cable programming, would smile with favor upon a law that cuts to the heart of what the First Amendment is meant to protect: the right to criticize the government..."

"The first instinct of power is the retention of power, and, under a Constitution that requires periodic elections, that is best achieved by the suppression of election-time speech. We have witnessed merely the second scene of Act I of what promises to be a lengthy tragedy."

Dissent by Justice Clarence Thomas (news - web sites):

"The chilling endpoint of the Court's reasoning is not difficult to foresee: outright regulation of the press... Media corporations are influential. There is little doubt that the editorials and commentary they run can affect elections. Nor is there any doubt that media companies often wish to influence elections. One would think that the New York Times fervently hopes that its endorsement of presidential candidates will actually influence people. What is to stop a future Congress from determining that the press is `too influential,' and that the `appearance of corruption' is significant when the media organizations endorse candidates or run `slanted' or `biased' news stories in favor of candidates or parties?"

Dissent by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy:

"The First Amendment underwrites the freedom to experiment and to create in the realm of thought and speech. Citizens must be free to use new forms, and new forums, for the expression of ideas. The civic discourse belongs to the people and Government may not prescribe the means used to conduct it. The First Amendment commands that Congress `shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech.' The command cannot be read to allow Congress to provide for the imprisonment of those who attempt to establish new political parties and alter the civic discourse. ... The Court, upholding multiple laws that suppress both spontaneous and concerted speech, leaves us less free than before. Today's decision breaks faith with our tradition of robust and unfettered debate."

New Conservative Magazine Declares Independence From GOP

Conservative Battleline Online To Speak For Limited Government Conservatives Against Big Government Right
Alexandria, VA - Donald Devine, a vice chairman of the American Conservative Union Foundation, announced the publication of a new online conservative journal of opinion to be called ConservativeBattleline, located at conservativebattleline.com.
Current features include: the Republican Party as the new welfare state party, the limits of the Bush plans for democracy in Iraq, the culture wars, the GOP sell out on Medicare and critiques of National Review, The Weekly Standard and The Wall Street Journal, among others.
"The $7 trillion unfunded liability of the new Medicare prescription drug bill created by a Republican Congress and signed by President George Bush this week is the straw that breaks the camel's back, as it is the largest expansion of non-defense discretionary spending since the Great Society. We are forced to act," Devine explained. "I had written a memo to conservative leaders six months ago explaining the drift of the GOP and the need for an independent voice but hesitated to make the break. But we are forced to act or see limited government conservatism become irrelevant. So we are now going forward with the magazine."
"The vote on the massive drug entitlement had one beneficial effect. It helped us sort the sheep from the goats. While only nine Senators and 25 House member stood firm for principle, these few did make their stand and we owe them our support, especially in the face of the threats from Congressional leaders and the White House staff. But the fact that so few did muster the courage of their convictions makes a revitalization of limited government conservatism essential from our point of view. Forty-two conservative activist groups and virtually all think tanks also stood for principle on this terrible bill--and they also deserve a new voice not tied to the defeatist tone of so much of mainstream 'conservative' journalism. ConservativeBattleline will speak for them too.
"ConservativeBattleline recreates online the original publication of the American Conservative Union. It will be housed at the ACU Foundation but it will be an independent voice. ACUF and its board of directors will not be responsible for its content, which will be my responsibility alone, as editor of the new journal. David A. Keene will be publisher. Contributions will be solicited from the conservative community at large.
"Revitalizing limited government conservatism will be a long term undertaking but it might as well start now, right here in the first edition of ConservativeBattleline Online," Devine concluded.

 

1 posted on 01/05/2004 4:30:20 PM PST by Federalist 78
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2 posted on 01/05/2004 4:31:31 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Happy New Year)
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To: Federalist 78
I always vote! Otherwise .. I have given up my rights .. willingly and willfully not supporting the Constitution which rules my country.

IS THE GOVT PERFECT .. absolutely not! If people are expecting it to be so .. they have deceived themselves.

And .. even if you cannot stomach either of the Presidential candidates .. then at least vote for the other candidates you believe will try to make a difference.
3 posted on 01/05/2004 4:57:48 PM PST by CyberAnt (America is the greatest force for good on the planet ..!!)
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To: Federalist 78
Well, if you (Linda Schrock Taylor) feel that bad about it, you could always vote for a write-in candidate, Lew Rockwell for instance.
4 posted on 01/05/2004 5:36:12 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Federalist 78
If you are considering not voting, I would strongly recommend voting the third party option as a better solution.

However, an even better solution in my opinion is proportional representation for the House of Representatives. I would leave the Senate winner take all.

I would even accept instant run-off plurality elections for the President/VP election.

Here is an article on proportional representation at the national level.

5 posted on 01/05/2004 5:46:32 PM PST by optimistically_conservative (Got saddled with a shi**y personality and I'm not afraid to use it.)
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To: Federalist 78
If the GOP loses, what are the Democrats going to do for you?
6 posted on 01/05/2004 6:04:50 PM PST by Consort
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To: Federalist 78
Why do these common sense , potentially high intensity discussion threads get such little participation? Too much stress for the girls?

Have the "stand in line" sheeples forgotten they have the right to criticize our government. Have they truly refused to see that our elected officials from both parties are guiding America on a downhill slope.

I assume being afraid that one might lose a few 'friends' for speaking their mind is considered too great a risk for too many on this website. Do friends they'll probably never meet in person count for more than the grandkids future? Eunuch,coward and sissie come to mind too frequently when reading their "follow the crowd" posts.

As we race to the bottom, our rights and liberties are being swept off to the side. Our court justices are legislating new laws from the bench. Socialism and various social engineering processes are being supported by both parties.

Oh well, when the Stars and Stripes is replaced with a Big Blue one world UN flag the grandkids won't mind. They'll have been indoctrinated not to resist government changes long beforehand.

7 posted on 01/06/2004 3:01:22 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: Consort
"The Republicans will do less damage to the Constitution than the Democrats will – and besides, what other choice is there?" argument doesn't carry water too far anymore.

Have you noticed "President George W. Bush has presided over a dramatic increase in the size, cost, scope, and power of the federal government that would be the envy of even the most radical socialist. He has stated his support of the clearly- unconstitutional Clinton gun ban and has vowed to sign a replacement into law (the current law has a sunset provision that expires in 2004) should it reach his desk. His Attorney General has made it his personal crusade to get ever-greater power for the government to snoop into the private lives of citizens. Bush has used the military to invade a sovereign nation that had no realistic chance of threatening America, while at the same time encouraging a flood of illegal third-world immigrants across our borders. Yet many conservatives continue to support this administration. Why?"

Take them sunglasses off, there's a cliff up ahead!

8 posted on 01/06/2004 3:09:09 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: Cicero
"you could always vote for a write-in candidate, Lew Rockwell for instance."

How about Tancredo and Keyes for write ins?

9 posted on 01/06/2004 3:10:27 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: Federalist 78
I hope everyone that is considering voting for a third party candidate considers Arrow's paradox.

It provides a mathematical basis for the common sense idea that voting for a third party candidate in a plurality vote system (like ours) is equivalent to voting for the front runner you like the least.

10 posted on 01/06/2004 3:15:30 AM PST by hedgie
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To: Federalist 78
To Vote, Or Not To Vote That Is The Question

That's not even a question.

You either vote or lose your right to b!tch about the government.

You may cast your vote any way you want but to not vote at all is not an option, IMO.

11 posted on 01/06/2004 3:16:15 AM PST by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Federalist 78
Option 4 is what we believe to be the best choice at this point. The objective is to show that there are votes available that the Republican Party will not get until they change their ways. The objective is not to find and support a third party candidate who can win an election. For the foreseeable future, that just is not going to happen. Instead, the objective is to demonstrate to the Republican Party that voters will leave the party if they are not represented by that party. The working assumption by the Republican Party has always been that conservatives have nowhere else to turn, and that they are pragmatic enough to not "waste their vote" by voting for a third party. Our objective is to show that assumption to be false.

EXACTLY! Third party is the way to vote *this election*.

And there are more good reasons to do it, which will become clearer as the election approaches.

12 posted on 01/06/2004 3:19:15 AM PST by Yeti
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To: B4Ranch
If the GOP loses, what are the Democrats going to do for you?
13 posted on 01/06/2004 4:57:02 AM PST by Consort
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To: Federalist 78
Great article!

The US Constitution party is the only remaining hope to free America from the tyranny of the Republican/ Democrat hegemony.
14 posted on 01/06/2004 6:07:53 AM PST by jimkress (America has become Soviet Union Lite)
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To: Consort
If the GOP loses, what are the Democrats going to do for you?

Get us to the same loss of Liberty to which the Republicans will get us if we vote for them, again.

15 posted on 01/06/2004 6:09:37 AM PST by jimkress (America has become Soviet Union Lite)
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To: jimkress
And what will the US Constitution party do for you, and on what experience with them do you base it?
16 posted on 01/06/2004 6:14:38 AM PST by Consort
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To: Consort
You haven't heard? Dean is going to repeal all of Bush's spending!

And further into their melo-dramatic dream, they will "send a message", and all will be well in their perfect world.
17 posted on 01/06/2004 6:24:04 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: B4Ranch; dighton; aculeus; general_re; L,TOWM; Constitution Day; hellinahandcart; Poohbah; ...

LEW ROCKWELL ALERT!!!

By all means ... vote for whoever you want. Vote for the Libertarian Party if you want wide-open borders and no restrictions on immigration. Vote for the Constitution Party or any of those other "garage-band" parties; since they've never had power, you are buying a pig-in-a-poke (round and round she goes, where she stops, nobody knows).

"Oh well, when the Stars and Stripes is replaced with a Big Blue one world UN flag the grandkids won't mind. They'll have been indoctrinated not to resist government changes long beforehand."

Take the children and yourself
and hide out in the cellar.
By now the fighting will be close at hand.
Don't believe the church and state
And everything they tell you;
Believe in me, I'm with the High Command.

Can you hear me,
can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running,
can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me,
can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running,
can you hear me calling you?

There's a gun and ammunition
just inside the doorway;
Use it only in emergency.
Better you should pray to God,
The Father and the Spirit,
Will guide you and protect from up here.

Can you hear me,
can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running,
can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me,
can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running,
can you hear me calling you?

Swear allegiance to the flag,
Whatever flag they offer;
Never hint at what you really feel.
Teach the children quietly,
For someday sons and daughters
Will rise up and fight while we stood still.

Can you hear me,
can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running,
can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me,
can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running,
can you hear me calling you?

Silent Running
(Mike and the Mechanics)

18 posted on 01/06/2004 6:26:01 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: BlueLancer
I smell ozone in the distance...
19 posted on 01/06/2004 8:36:17 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: Consort
Read this and you'll see where I stand. Changing Our Country
20 posted on 01/06/2004 9:16:32 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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