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Eighteen Illegal Alien solutions that are better than any Amnesty
January 7th, 2003 | Sabertooth

Posted on 01/07/2004 8:25:32 AM PST by Sabertooth

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Revised and updated for today's announcement.

Feel free to add your own!


1 posted on 01/07/2004 8:25:34 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
mega bump! you da man Saber :>
2 posted on 01/07/2004 8:28:53 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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3 posted on 01/07/2004 8:29:26 AM PST by Sabertooth
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5 posted on 01/07/2004 8:31:25 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: Sabertooth
Hear, Hear!! I like the way you think.
6 posted on 01/07/2004 8:31:50 AM PST by RiflemanSharpe (An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
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To: Sabertooth
"Mexico must open up to American investment by allowing the sale of real estate to us and guaranteeing property our rights. Getting Mexico to fix its economy is crucial. "

I always put this first. It's such a basic reciprocal item.
Heck, they'd probably have to limit immigration of Americans if we could buy land there.

7 posted on 01/07/2004 8:35:31 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: Righter-than-Rush
You may want to change your screen name to Righter-than-Genghis.
8 posted on 01/07/2004 8:37:35 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Sabertooth
4: Beef up Border Security with manpower, resources, and a Volunteer Reserve, if necessary. No troops, and no messing with posse comitatus, this should be a civilian effort.

The Legislature has a Constitutional power to provide for calling forth the militia to repel invasions, per Article I Section 8, and the Federal government has a Constitutional duty to protect each of the states from invasion under Article IV Section 4.

Why does this need to be a civilian effort given these facts? It seems to me that the State of Arizona should file a suit against the US Government under Article IV Section 4.

9 posted on 01/07/2004 8:38:33 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Sabertooth
Agree with your suggestions for fixing the problem -- they need to be sent to all of our Congressmen and Senators IMO. Since Congress has the final say, every Freeper should be sending these and their own comments to their Congressional people.
10 posted on 01/07/2004 8:39:02 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: Sabertooth
If we really started cracking down I dont think there is alot of employers who would be willing to risk jail or losing their businesses. Maybe we should throw in a bounty to illegals who turn in their own employers as well.
11 posted on 01/07/2004 8:39:45 AM PST by PuNcH
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Why does this need to be a civilian effort given these facts?

"Invasion" has a specific meaning in law, particularly with respect to international borders.

Unless you are saying that this is an actual invasion being conducted by the Mexican government, it's a civil law enforcement issue, and the Posse Comitatus Act forbids the use of the military for civil law enforcement.

12 posted on 01/07/2004 8:41:50 AM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: Sabertooth
Karl Rove is Grima Wormtongue.
Is President Bush King Theoden?
Will Tom Tancredo accept the role of Gandalf?
Ron Paul as Aragorn?
AAARRRGGGGHHHH!!! Sauroman has poisened the RNC's tiny weak brain!!
13 posted on 01/07/2004 8:42:40 AM PST by Xthe17th ("What is the use of being elected or re-elected unless you stand for something?" - Grover Cleveland)
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To: mvpel
The Legislature has a Constitutional power to provide for calling forth the militia to repel invasions, per Article I Section 8, and the Federal government has a Constitutional duty to protect each of the states from invasion under Article IV Section 4.

Why does this need to be a civilian effort given these facts? It seems to me that the State of Arizona should file a suit against the US Government under Article IV Section 4.

Because the invasion is civilian, not military, and because we civilians are perfectly capable of accomplishing the task.

Troops on the borders and walls on the borders are examples of unrealistic, unnecessary, and counterproductive rhetorical overkill. We can solve the problem of Illegals asymmetrically.

The biggest problems with border enforcement are in the interior, not at the border. Enforce the law beyond the border, and the border will become more secure, as the incentive of a safe zone for Illegals will be removed.


14 posted on 01/07/2004 8:43:42 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Revised and updated for today's announcement. Feel free to add your own!
I don't think there is anything to add. Nice post, thanks.
15 posted on 01/07/2004 8:43:54 AM PST by wjcsux (DemocRATS, out of touch with America, out of touch with reality.)
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To: Sabertooth
Thouughtless people on both sides of the debate jawbone about silly ideas like building a wall at the Mexican border, or house to house searches, as though they were viable solutions, or the only alternatives to Amnesty ore the status quo.

Exactly! Even if those ideas worked, there are much easier ways to stop this attack on our borders and our sovereignty.

This invasion of our country could have been stopped years ago, easily.

But unfortunately, the political elite in DC have no desire to implement these solutions. It' not part of their agenda, not part of their plan.

16 posted on 01/07/2004 8:44:20 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: mrsmith
Of course Mexico stole property from Americans
in 1934.
They nationalized all American assets in Mexico.
FDR did nothing about this, in fact he would have
nationalized American land and companies if he had
dared.
17 posted on 01/07/2004 8:44:43 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (A little knowledge is dangerous.-- I live dangerously::))
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To: Sabertooth
I have one:
 
SABERTOOTH FOR PRESIDENT!!!
 

Owl_Eagle

" WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH"


18 posted on 01/07/2004 8:45:32 AM PST by South Hawthorne (Fly Eagles Fly, On the Road to Victory! Fly Eagles Fly, Score a Touchdown One Two Three!)
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To: Sabertooth
With you all the way on this. You could append #12 by saying that no child born in this country will automatically become a citizen of the U.S. unless one of the parents is themselves a citizen. The other parent must at minimum legally able to reside here. If not, then the child reverts to the citizenship status of the non citizen parent.
19 posted on 01/07/2004 8:45:34 AM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: Sabertooth
Yesterday's White House press release was posted here in Illegals proposal focuses on work as reported in the Washinton Times. That thread has gotten little attention so I'll post my replies to the White House here.

Illegal immigrants who can prove they have jobs can stay in the country legally for three years.

And those who can't will just keep doing what they are doing.

In that period, they can bring family members to the United States and enjoy rights now reserved for Americans and for foreigners with permanent-resident status, including Social Security benefits.

They already bring their family members and legal status means paying taxes. This will be a step down for them.

"It will protect the rights of illegal workers who now live in the shadows and are fearful of coming out of the shadows for fear of deportation," a White House official said yesterday.

With only 130,000 deportations a year these 10 million illegals have little to fear and they don't live in the shadows.

Mr. Bush's guest-worker proposal, which Congress must approve, would be "temporary in nature. One must go home upon conclusion of the program."

Sounds like a major disincentive to sign up for the program. But wait ...

During the three-year period, the aliens would have permission to leave the country and come back as needed, and could renew their three-year involvement in the program, the official said.

I see; so they'll be permanently temporary!?!

But the official said the two programs -- temporary-work status and permanent residence -- essentially will be "two separate doors" foreign workers must walk through.

No problemo. They are already skilled at jumping fences to avoid walking through doors.

"The temporary-worker program is a way to work here legally short of the United States citizenship, under a certain set of conditions. ... And then door number two is the normal naturalization process, which includes permanent legal status. We're trying not to blur those two things together."

You're doing a bangup job of it for not trying.

While acquiring a green card can take as long as six years, the official said illegal aliens can re-enroll for the new Bush program, which means that many will be able to remain in the United States until they get permanent-resident status.

Ahh! Now I see why you say you're not blurring the line. You're obliterating it!

Illegal aliens who enroll in the program will have no fear of deportation and can come and go between the United States and their country of citizenship "as they wish," a White House official said.

They already do. I think this White House official needs to take a walk and clear his head.
May I suggest Ft. Marcy Park?


20 posted on 01/07/2004 8:47:47 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
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