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President Bush Proposes New Temporary Worker Program [Transcript]
The White House ^ | Jan 7, 2004 | President George W. Bush

Posted on 01/07/2004 1:59:53 PM PST by NonValueAdded

President Bush Proposes New Temporary Worker Program
Remarks by the President on Immigration Policy The East Room

2:45 P.M. EST

THE PRESIDENT: Thanks for coming, thanks for the warm welcome, thanks for joining me as I make this important announcement -- an announcement that I believe will make America a more compassionate and more humane and stronger country.

We must make our immigration laws more rational, and more humane. And I believe we can do so without jeopardizing the livelihoods of American citizens, said President Bush. White House photo by Paul Morse. I appreciate members of my Cabinet who have joined me today, starting with our Secretary of State, Colin Powell. (Applause.) I'm honored that our Attorney General, John Ashcroft, has joined us. (Applause.) Secretary of Commerce, Don Evans. (Applause.) Secretary Tom Ridge, of the Department of Homeland Security. (Applause.) El Embajador of Mexico, Tony Garza. (Applause.) I thank all the other members of my administration who have joined us today.

I appreciate the members of Congress who have taken time to come: Senator Larry Craig, Congressman Chris Cannon, and Congressman Jeff Flake. I'm honored you all have joined us, thank you for coming.

I appreciate the members of citizen groups who have joined us today. Chairman of the Hispanic Alliance for Progress, Manny Lujan. Gil Moreno, the President and CEO of the Association for the Advancement of Mexican Americans. Roberto De Posada, the President of the Latino Coalition. And Hector Flores, the President of LULAC.

Thank you all for joining us. (Applause.)

Many of you here today are Americans by choice, and you have followed in the path of millions. And over the generations we have received energetic, ambitious, optimistic people from every part of the world. By tradition and conviction, our country is a welcoming society. America is a stronger and better nation because of the hard work and the faith and entrepreneurial spirit of immigrants.

Every generation of immigrants has reaffirmed the wisdom of remaining open to the talents and dreams of the world. And every generation of immigrants has reaffirmed our ability to assimilate newcomers -- which is one of the defining strengths of our country.

During one great period of immigration -- between 1891 and 1920 -- our nation received some 18 million men, women and children from other nations. The hard work of these immigrants helped make our economy the largest in the world. The children of immigrants put on the uniform and helped to liberate the lands of their ancestors. One of the primary reasons America became a great power in the 20th century is because we welcomed the talent and the character and the patriotism of immigrant families.

The contributions of immigrants to America continue. About 14 percent of our nation's civilian workforce is foreign-born. Most begin their working lives in America by taking hard jobs and clocking long hours in important industries. Many immigrants also start businesses, taking the familiar path from hired labor to ownership.

As a Texan, I have known many immigrant families, mainly from Mexico, and I have seen what they add to our country. They bring to America the values of faith in God, love of family, hard work and self reliance -- the values that made us a great nation to begin with. We've all seen those values in action, through the service and sacrifice of more than 35,000 foreign-born men and women currently on active duty in the United States military. One of them is Master Gunnery Sergeant Guadalupe Denogean, an immigrant from Mexico who has served in the Marine Corps for 25 years and counting. Last year, I was honored and proud to witness Sergeant Denogean take the oath of citizenship in a hospital where he was recovering from wounds he received in Iraq. I'm honored to be his Commander-in-Chief, I'm proud to call him a fellow American. (Applause.)

As a nation that values immigration, and depends on immigration, we should have immigration laws that work and make us proud. Yet today we do not. Instead, we see many employers turning to the illegal labor market. We see millions of hard-working men and women condemned to fear and insecurity in a massive, undocumented economy. Illegal entry across our borders makes more difficult the urgent task of securing the homeland. The system is not working. Our nation needs an immigration system that serves the American economy, and reflects the American Dream.

Reform must begin by confronting a basic fact of life and economics: some of the jobs being generated in America's growing economy are jobs American citizens are not filling. Yet these jobs represent a tremendous opportunity for workers from abroad who want to work and fulfill their duties as a husband or a wife, a son or a daughter.

Their search for a better life is one of the most basic desires of human beings. Many undocumented workers have walked mile after mile, through the heat of the day and the cold of the night. Some have risked their lives in dangerous desert border crossings, or entrusted their lives to the brutal rings of heartless human smugglers. Workers who seek only to earn a living end up in the shadows of American life -- fearful, often abused and exploited. When they are victimized by crime, they are afraid to call the police, or seek recourse in the legal system. They are cut off from their families far away, fearing if they leave our country to visit relatives back home, they might never be able to return to their jobs.

The situation I described is wrong. It is not the American way. Out of common sense and fairness, our laws should allow willing workers to enter our country and fill jobs that Americans have are not filling. (Applause.) We must make our immigration laws more rational, and more humane. And I believe we can do so without jeopardizing the livelihoods of American citizens.

Our reforms should be guided by a few basic principles. First, America must control its borders. Following the attacks of September the 11th, 2001, this duty of the federal government has become even more urgent. And we're fulfilling that duty.

For the first time in our history, we have consolidated all border agencies under one roof to make sure they share information and the work is more effective. We're matching all visa applicants against an expanded screening list to identify terrorists and criminals and immigration violators. This month, we have begun using advanced technology to better record and track aliens who enter our country -- and to make sure they leave as scheduled. We have deployed new gamma and x-ray systems to scan cargo and containers and shipments at ports of entry to America. We have significantly expanded the Border Patrol -- with more than a thousand new agents on the borders, and 40 percent greater funding over the last two years. We're working closely with the Canadian and Mexican governments to increase border security. America is acting on a basic belief: our borders should be open to legal travel and honest trade; our borders should be shut and barred tight to criminals, to drug traders, to drug traffickers and to criminals, and to terrorists.

Second, new immigration laws should serve the economic needs of our country. If an American employer is offering a job that American citizens are not willing to take, we ought to welcome into our country a person who will fill that job.

Third, we should not give unfair rewards to illegal immigrants in the citizenship process or disadvantage those who came here lawfully, or hope to do so.

Fourth, new laws should provide incentives for temporary, foreign workers to return permanently to their home countries after their period of work in the United States has expired.

Today, I ask the Congress to join me in passing new immigration laws that reflect these principles, that meet America's economic needs, and live up to our highest ideals. (Applause.)

I propose a new temporary worker program that will match willing foreign workers with willing American employers, when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs. This program will offer legal status, as temporary workers, to the millions of undocumented men and women now employed in the United States, and to those in foreign countries who seek to participate in the program and have been offered employment here. This new system should be clear and efficient, so employers are able to find workers quickly and simply.

All who participate in the temporary worker program must have a job, or, if not living in the United States, a job offer. The legal status granted by this program will last three years and will be renewable -- but it will have an end. Participants who do not remain employed, who do not follow the rules of the program, or who break the law will not be eligible for continued participation and will be required to return to their home.

Under my proposal, employers have key responsibilities. Employers who extend job offers must first make every reasonable effort to find an American worker for the job at hand. Our government will develop a quick and simple system for employers to search for American workers. Employers must not hire undocumented aliens or temporary workers whose legal status has expired. They must report to the government the temporary workers they hire, and who leave their employ, so that we can keep track of people in the program, and better enforce immigration laws. There must be strong workplace enforcement with tough penalties for anyone, for any employer violating these laws.

Undocumented workers now here will be required to pay a one-time fee to register for the temporary worker program. Those who seek to join the program from abroad, and have complied with our immigration laws, will not have to pay any fee. All participants will be issued a temporary worker card that will allow them to travel back and forth between their home and the United States without fear of being denied re-entry into our country. (Applause.)

This program expects temporary workers to return permanently to their home countries after their period of work in the United States has expired. And there should be financial incentives for them to do so. I will work with foreign governments on a plan to give temporary workers credit, when they enter their own nation's retirement system, for the time they have worked in America. I also support making it easier for temporary workers to contribute a portion of their earnings to tax-preferred savings accounts, money they can collect as they return to their native countries. After all, in many of those countries, a small nest egg is what is necessary to start their own business, or buy some land for their family.

Some temporary workers will make the decision to pursue American citizenship. Those who make this choice will be allowed to apply in the normal way. They will not be given unfair advantage over people who have followed legal procedures from the start. I oppose amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship. Granting amnesty encourages the violation of our laws, and perpetuates illegal immigration. America is a welcoming country, but citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America. (Applause.)

The citizenship line, however, is too long, and our current limits on legal immigration are too low. My administration will work with the Congress to increase the annual number of green cards that can lead to citizenship. Those willing to take the difficult path of citizenship -- the path of work, and patience, and assimilation -- should be welcome in America, like generations of immigrants before them. (Applause.)

In the process of immigration reform, we must also set high expectations for what new citizens should know. An understanding of what it means to be an American is not a formality in the naturalization process, it is essential to full participation in our democracy. My administration will examine the standard of knowledge in the current citizenship test. We must ensure that new citizens know not only the facts of our history, but the ideals that have shaped our history. Every citizen of America has an obligation to learn the values that make us one nation: liberty and civic responsibility, equality under God, and tolerance for others.

This new temporary worker program will bring more than economic benefits to America. Our homeland will be more secure when we can better account for those who enter our country, instead of the current situation in which millions of people are unknown, unknown to the law. Law enforcement will face fewer problems with undocumented workers, and will be better able to focus on the true threats to our nation from criminals and terrorists. And when temporary workers can travel legally and freely, there will be more efficient management of our borders and more effective enforcement against those who pose a danger to our country. (Applause.)

This new system will be more compassionate. Decent, hard-working people will now be protected by labor laws, with the right to change jobs, earn fair wages, and enjoy the same working conditions that the law requires for American workers. Temporary workers will be able to establish their identities by obtaining the legal documents we all take for granted. And they will be able to talk openly to authorities, to report crimes when they are harmed, without the fear of being deported. (Applause.)

The best way, in the long run, to reduce the pressures that create illegal immigration in the first place is to expand economic opportunity among the countries in our neighborhood. In a few days I will go to Mexico for the Special Summit of the Americas, where we will discuss ways to advance free trade, and to fight corruption, and encourage the reforms that lead to prosperity. Real growth and real hope in the nations of our hemisphere will lessen the flow of new immigrants to America when more citizens of other countries are able to achieve their dreams at their own home. (Applause.)

Yet our country has always benefited from the dreams that others have brought here. By working hard for a better life, immigrants contribute to the life of our nation. The temporary worker program I am proposing today represents the best tradition of our society, a society that honors the law, and welcomes the newcomer. This plan will help return order and fairness to our immigration system, and in so doing we will honor our values, by showing our respect for those who work hard and share in the ideals of America.

May God bless you all. (Applause.)

END 3:07 P.M. EST


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Let the games begin.
1 posted on 01/07/2004 1:59:53 PM PST by NonValueAdded
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To: PhiKapMom
Indexing ping
3 posted on 01/07/2004 2:01:43 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: NonValueAdded
I have e-mailed both my Republican Senators and my Republican Congressman to this effect. If you pass this trashing of American citizenship, you will erode your base. I will not vote Democrat, but I will simply stay at home and not vote in November.
4 posted on 01/07/2004 2:02:56 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: NonValueAdded
Hey, I hadn't heard about this.
5 posted on 01/07/2004 2:03:44 PM PST by Huck (This space available--monthly rates---great exposure)
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To: Malesherbes
The horse is out of the barn.
6 posted on 01/07/2004 2:04:27 PM PST by Huck (This space available--monthly rates---great exposure)
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To: NonValueAdded
Hmm. 10,000 border patrol people protecting, uhh, how many tens of thousands of miles of border?

Thanks, Bush. Got some interesting ideas there, but how about kicking out the illegals and closing the borders to them. THEN we can talk about your little jobs program.
7 posted on 01/07/2004 2:05:50 PM PST by kingu
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To: NonValueAdded
Fourth, new laws should provide incentives for temporary, foreign workers to return permanently to their home countries after their period of work in the United States has expired.

This doesn't make sense. If they wanted to stay in their home countries, they wouldn't come to the USA in the first place.

8 posted on 01/07/2004 2:08:12 PM PST by cruiserman
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It seems that the most controversial part of his speech is the proposed temporary working permits.

Temporary working permits, or "blue cards," will be issued to temporary workers.

A person can become a temporary worker by:

1. Applying for the permit while living abroad and having a job offer from an American employer, or

2. Applying for the permit while living illegally in the US, paying a fine (fee), and having a current job.

The "blue card" will not give the immigrant automatic permanent residency or US citizenship.

Instead the "blue card" holder will have to apply for his "green card" [permanent resident card] using the current immigration laws.

9 posted on 01/07/2004 2:08:47 PM PST by george wythe
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To: Malesherbes
I wonder why liberals are so angry at President Bush. From what I can tell Bush with his Amnesty Program, CFR, Education Bill and 500 Billion Dollar Medicare Bill is being a much better liberal than Bill Clinton ever dreamed.
10 posted on 01/07/2004 2:10:20 PM PST by jsbankston
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To: NonValueAdded
Some temporary workers will make the decision to pursue American citizenship. Those who make this choice will be allowed to apply in the normal way. They will not be given unfair advantage over people who have followed legal procedures from the start. I oppose amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship. Granting amnesty encourages the violation of our laws, and perpetuates illegal immigration. America is a welcoming country, but citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America. (Applause.)

This is NOT what I have been hearing on the threads. Thanks for posting the transcript.

11 posted on 01/07/2004 2:10:58 PM PST by ladyinred (W/04)
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To: cruiserman
If they wanted to stay in their home countries, they wouldn't come to the USA in the first place.

Many temporary workers just want to save enough money to start their own business back in their motherlands, or buy some land to build a farm.

After all, in many of those countries, a small nest egg is what is necessary to start their own business, or buy some land for their family.

12 posted on 01/07/2004 2:12:04 PM PST by george wythe
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To: NonValueAdded
Remind me what the incentive is to ensure you come into this country legally? Illegal entry is now being rewarded with legal status and a job. This will only serve as an incentive for additional illegal immigration.

How can one administration be so good on foreign policy, and so awful on the domestic side?

13 posted on 01/07/2004 2:12:58 PM PST by NittanyLion (E-A-G-L-E-S...Eagles!)
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To: ladyinred
You're right. This speech bears no resemblence to the wild claims being made all over this site today by so many Freepers. Mass hysteria.
14 posted on 01/07/2004 2:13:36 PM PST by alnick
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To: William Creel
Makes perfect sense.....it's politics in its rawest form.
15 posted on 01/07/2004 2:14:38 PM PST by Dog
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To: alnick
You're right. This speech bears no resemblence to the wild claims being made all over this site today by so many Freepers. Mass hysteria.

So you think this amnesty is a good idea?

16 posted on 01/07/2004 2:15:02 PM PST by NittanyLion (E-A-G-L-E-S...Eagles!)
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To: NonValueAdded
Once again, FReepers have underestimated President Bush and freaked out before his plan was layed out. He has said all along that he wanted to implement a "guest worker" program, and that he was against Amnesty. And once again, he is doing what he said he would do. This is an honest solution to the illegal alien problem. However, what I did not see in the transcript is what action the HSA will take against those illegal immigrants already here who do not apply for the guest worker program. If they are to be deported, then this plan may actually work. If not, the plan solves nothing.
17 posted on 01/07/2004 2:15:41 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: NonValueAdded
For the first time in our history, we have consolidated all border agencies under one roof to make sure they share information and the work is more effective. We're matching all visa applicants against an expanded screening list to identify terrorists and criminals and immigration violators. This month, we have begun using advanced technology to better record and track aliens who enter our country -- and to make sure they leave as scheduled. We have deployed new gamma and x-ray systems to scan cargo and containers and shipments at ports of entry to America. We have significantly expanded the Border Patrol -- with more than a thousand new agents on the borders, and 40 percent greater funding over the last two years. We're working closely with the Canadian and Mexican governments to increase border security. America is acting on a basic belief: our borders should be open to legal travel and honest trade; our borders should be shut and barred tight to criminals, to drug traders, to drug traffickers and to criminals, and to terrorists.

Bush presented a well-thought out incentive program that will help us get a handle on uncontrolled immigration and potential terrorists within our borders. It recognizes reality, does not reward illegal behavior and has political side benefits.

18 posted on 01/07/2004 2:16:06 PM PST by OESY
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To: NittanyLion
Remind me what the incentive is to ensure you come into this country legally?

Temporary working permits can be obtained abroad without the hefty fee (fine) that illegal workers have to pay to get the blue cards in the US.

Furthermore, legal temporary workers will save $1,000s in coyote's fees.

19 posted on 01/07/2004 2:16:10 PM PST by george wythe
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To: NonValueAdded
I have often wondered, in my naivete, why these 'jobs that Americans won't fill' can't be filled by those on welfare, unemployment or prison worker release programs.
20 posted on 01/07/2004 2:16:46 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: NittanyLion
. Granting amnesty encourages the violation of our laws, and perpetuates illegal immigration. America is a welcoming country, but citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America. (Applause)

This is not amnesty..

21 posted on 01/07/2004 2:16:46 PM PST by Dog
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To: NonValueAdded
Bookmarked...
22 posted on 01/07/2004 2:17:11 PM PST by TomServo ("She wouldn't have me on a silver platter." "How about on an air mattress slathered with butter?")
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To: NittanyLion
Why are you mischaracterizing what I said?
23 posted on 01/07/2004 2:17:22 PM PST by alnick
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To: OESY
It recognizes reality, does not reward illegal behavior and has political side benefits.

Illegals currently here will have an opportunity to become legal. That sounds like rewarding illegal behavior to me...

24 posted on 01/07/2004 2:17:40 PM PST by NittanyLion (E-A-G-L-E-S...Eagles!)
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To: alnick
Why are you mischaracterizing what I said?

I was asking you a question. Based on your comments I couldn't tell whether you supported this plan, or merely thought it isn't as bad as represented on FR.

25 posted on 01/07/2004 2:18:32 PM PST by NittanyLion (E-A-G-L-E-S...Eagles!)
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To: alnick
This speech bears no resemblence to the wild claims being made all over this site today by so many Freepers. Mass hysteria.

That's why I refused to comment on those threads until I saw the President's speech.

Furthermore, President Bush is proposing only broad principles, but the devil's in the details.

Now we have the chance to lobby Congress to shape the legislation as close to our wishes as possible.

The game has just begun.

26 posted on 01/07/2004 2:19:18 PM PST by george wythe
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To: NonValueAdded
An understanding of what it means to be an American is not a formality in the naturalization process, it is essential to full participation in our democracy. My administration will examine the standard of knowledge in the current citizenship test. We must ensure that new citizens know not only the facts of our history, but the ideals that have shaped our history. Every citizen of America has an obligation to learn the values that make us one nation: liberty and civic responsibility, equality under God, and tolerance for others.

YEAAAAAA!!!

27 posted on 01/07/2004 2:21:43 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader-Have you donated yet?)
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To: NittanyLion
If I am reading it right, the illegals will have no advantage over people who remain in their own country and apply, in terms of achieving citizenship.
28 posted on 01/07/2004 2:22:03 PM PST by GROOVY
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To: NittanyLion
So you think this amnesty is a good idea?

Hmm... I thought it was a Guest Worker Program, and that the following paragraph explains the difference.

"Some temporary workers will make the decision to pursue American citizenship. Those who make this choice will be allowed to apply in the normal way. They will not be given unfair advantage over people who have followed legal procedures from the start. I oppose amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship. Granting amnesty encourages the violation of our laws, and perpetuates illegal immigration. America is a welcoming country, but citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America."

29 posted on 01/07/2004 2:23:35 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: ladyinred
Thanks, your post is the reason I put up the transcript. I don't want to hijack the live thread and there is lots of commentary over there. However, it is important to have the actual words available for reference and reflection once the heat dies down (say in 2005 or so). I'd sugest bookmarking this thread and reading it again in a month or so and see if the perspective changes.
30 posted on 01/07/2004 2:24:15 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: NittanyLion
Illegals currently here will have an opportunity to become legal. That sounds like rewarding illegal behavior to me...

They have to pay a fine in order to do so...

Or, they can go home, and apply from Mexico without the fine.

31 posted on 01/07/2004 2:24:45 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: Dog
Amnesty is a governmental pardon. These illegal immigrants are being granted amnesty by virtue of the fact that they will not be prosecuted or deported for the crime of entering this country illegally. Calling it by another name does not change the fact that it is amnesty.
32 posted on 01/07/2004 2:24:49 PM PST by CalKat
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To: NonValueAdded
When his Daddy broke his no new tax pledge, it was a punch in the gut to those who elected him. Somehow I feel the son just delivered a punch in the gut to me and many others who helped to elect him and in that election more than any other we the individuals voters feel he would not have been elected if not for our individual vote. Well, he may be able to afford to punch some voters in the gut if he were assured that Dean would be his opponent. But ol' Wesley Clark is more wily than angry and Clark could be a formidable candidate. Clark represents the proverbial choice of the devil we don't know. There are many Americans who might choose the devil that they don't know.
33 posted on 01/07/2004 2:24:49 PM PST by Biblebelter
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To: CalKat
These illegal immigrants are being granted amnesty by virtue of the fact that they will not be prosecuted or deported for the crime of entering this country illegally.

Actually, they are still illegal aliens if they do not apply for the program. And if they apply for the program, they have to pay a fine in order to get the blue card. I suspect that many current illegals will go home and apply from Mexico.

34 posted on 01/07/2004 2:26:29 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: SunStar; Dog
Right you both are. Kind of.

This is amnesty in the traditional sense of the word. Millions of current illegals will be granted pardon and allowed to remain. Their previously illegal behavior has been rewarded by this program.

In the political sense, amnesty has come to be associated with granting citizenship. I should probably have refrained from using the word, knowing the context in which it generally appears.

35 posted on 01/07/2004 2:27:12 PM PST by NittanyLion (E-A-G-L-E-S...Eagles!)
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To: Biblebelter
When his Daddy broke his no new tax pledge, it was a punch in the gut to those who elected him. Somehow I feel the son just delivered a punch in the gut to me and many others who helped to elect him and in that election more than any other we the individuals voters feel he would not have been elected if not for our individual vote.

The difference is that this President didn't break a pledge. He's been saying since the 2000 campaign that he supported a guest worker program. If you voted for him thinking otherwise, it was your mistake.

36 posted on 01/07/2004 2:27:27 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: NonValueAdded
I propose a new temporary worker program that will match willing foreign workers with willing American employers, when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs.

Right now, no Americans can be found to fill the jobs because the jobs are offered under the table, with no taxes or benefits paid, which is why illegals can take home $10 an hour and still be hired over Americans taking home $7 or less per hour. And there are Americans who would be willing to work for even less, but here in Washington State, thanks to a minimum wage of $7/hr that applies only to American citizens, they have to become destitute rather than find employment.

You think millions of illegals are going to flock to be legalized, and thereby be subjected to the same taxes as the rest of us -- and thereby become as unemployable as the rest of us? No, I can assure you the only ones who'll sign up for this program are the ones planning to go back to Mexico soon and now we'll give them full Social Security benefits as they head out the door! The utter cluelessness of this proposal reflects George W. Bush's lack of contact with the real world of working people.

By saying, "There are some jobs that Americans will not do," he is directly insulting the work ethic of millions of hard-working American citizens. Quite an arrogance for someone who has never held a real job -- unless you count shaking hands of potential investors for a group of business partners at a time when your father just happens to be President of the United States.

37 posted on 01/07/2004 2:27:52 PM PST by JoeSchem
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To: SunStar
They have to pay a fine in order to do so...Or, they can go home, and apply from Mexico without the fine.

I guess we'll wait and see what the fine is. But I highly doubt they're going to do as you suggest and leave the country in order to come back.

38 posted on 01/07/2004 2:28:21 PM PST by NittanyLion (E-A-G-L-E-S...Eagles!)
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To: NittanyLion
Their previously illegal behavior has been rewarded by this program.

Not really... If they go home, they get the reward of the FREE blue card. That's an incentive to "deport" themselves.

39 posted on 01/07/2004 2:28:24 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: NittanyLion
But I highly doubt they're going to do as you suggest and leave the country in order to come back.

If not, they pay the fine, get their blue card, and then are required to leave (or renew) after three years.

40 posted on 01/07/2004 2:29:25 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: SunStar
The program will offer legal status to the millions who are here illegally, but they will have to pay a fee. Bush specifically calls it a fee, not a fine. I don't think it's unreasonable to require the illegal aliens to complete some paperwork and pay a fee to receive their amnesty.
41 posted on 01/07/2004 2:29:44 PM PST by CalKat
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To: SunStar
Not really... If they go home, they get the reward of the FREE blue card. That's an incentive to "deport" themselves.

We'll wait and see, but I suspect that contention is nonsense.

42 posted on 01/07/2004 2:29:50 PM PST by NittanyLion (E-A-G-L-E-S...Eagles!)
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To: Biblebelter
That might be one of the reasons behind the strategerie of tackling this now. The more this is thrashed out in the forum of public opinion, the less of a nebulous campaign issue it will be.
43 posted on 01/07/2004 2:30:00 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: CalKat
These illegal immigrants are being granted amnesty by virtue of the fact that they will not be prosecuted or deported for the crime of entering this country illegally.

That's your interpretation.

The illegal alien will have to pay a fine or fee to obtain a blue card, while the alien abroad can obtain the blue card for free.

The illegal alien has to make a choice of whether to return to his country and obtain the blue card for free, or whether to apply in the US and pay the fine.

Furthermore, the blue card does not lead to US citizenship. Period.

The amnesty given by President Reagan lead to million of new US citizens.

44 posted on 01/07/2004 2:31:00 PM PST by george wythe
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To: SunStar
I don't think most voters equated a guest worker program with granting amnesty to the millions of illegal aliens already here. I think's that's where the feeling of betrayal may be coming from.
45 posted on 01/07/2004 2:31:40 PM PST by CalKat
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To: NittanyLion
This is amnesty in the traditional sense of the word. Millions of current illegals will be granted pardon and allowed to remain. Their previously illegal behavior has been rewarded by this program.

You either didn't read the speech above or you didn't understand what you read. Amnesty is a pardon granted to anyone who applies. This is a guest worker program good for 3 years and then you have to return home. You do not get to automatically apply for citizenship and if you want to apply, you have to go to the back of the line. If you want to stay here and apply for the permit you must pay a fee and you MUST be employed. If you are not employed, you go home. See the difference?

46 posted on 01/07/2004 2:32:44 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader-Have you donated yet?)
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To: george wythe
Amnesty does not requre citizenship.
47 posted on 01/07/2004 2:32:49 PM PST by CalKat
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To: NonValueAdded
CAN ANYONE SAY 3RD PARTY CANDIDATE!!!!!!!
48 posted on 01/07/2004 2:33:32 PM PST by FrontlinesofFreedom (Pax Americanus)
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To: McGavin999
Amnesty is a governmental pardon to a group of people who have broken the law. That's exactly what this is, unless you go to extremes to twist the meaning of amnesty (as you appear to be doing here).
49 posted on 01/07/2004 2:34:15 PM PST by NittanyLion (E-A-G-L-E-S...Eagles!)
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To: JoeSchem
McCain explained that part of the program on the radio last night. You must advertise the job (in the paper or internet) and if ANY American applies you can not give the job to a guest worker.
50 posted on 01/07/2004 2:34:29 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader-Have you donated yet?)
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