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Senate majority leader confident immigration reform will be approved
AP ^ | January 7, 2004

Posted on 01/07/2004 4:48:31 PM PST by sarcasm

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:45:24 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said Wednesday he was confident U.S. President George W. Bush's immigration reform legislation would be approved by Congress.

Bush called for a major overhaul of America's immigration system Wednesday. The proposal would grant temporary legal status to millions of undocumented workers in the United States.


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1 posted on 01/07/2004 4:48:32 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Average citizen novacation confident we are screwed.
2 posted on 01/07/2004 4:50:31 PM PST by novacation
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3 posted on 01/07/2004 4:50:46 PM PST by Support Free Republic (I'd rather be sleeping. Let's get this over with so I can go back to sleep!)
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To: sarcasm
"Why am I confident?" Frist said. "Because it is a security issue." ..Well I am confidentin one thing~they have all lost their minds.....
4 posted on 01/07/2004 4:52:38 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004 Primary)
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To: sarcasm

"What?! This is an outrage! I had to have my slutty wife give Clintigula millions while these illegals get an amnesty for free?? Where's David Boies??"

5 posted on 01/07/2004 4:53:33 PM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: KantianBurke
We'll see. The House appears a lot less receptive to the idea than the more left leaning Senate.
6 posted on 01/07/2004 4:54:32 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: sarcasm
He added that concerns about "the dignity of the individual" would also spur action in Congress. "To keep (immigrants) in the shadows reflects a lack of compassion," he said.

Republicans sound just like their pandering, PC sellout DemRat counterparts. I've been voting GOP my entire life, as has my family for over 80 years.

That's over for me. These people are literal lying scumbags who seem to despise us. I don't care anymore if we get a Dem.

OUTRAGE!!!

7 posted on 01/07/2004 4:58:30 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: sarcasm
"Why am I confident?" Frist said. "Because it is a security issue."

Such a patent lie and mischaracterization. He's confident though, there must be big money flowing into the campaign coffers.

8 posted on 01/07/2004 4:58:37 PM PST by Shermy
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To: sarcasm
 

THAT'S IT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY LEFT ME!

 

9 posted on 01/07/2004 4:58:43 PM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: sarcasm
Bush called for a major overhaul of America's immigration system Wednesday. The proposal would grant temporary legal status to millions of undocumented workers in the United States.

Edited for AP and Bush administration lies:

Bush called for a major overhaul of America's immigration system increase in the transfer of third world populations to the USA Wednesday. The proposal would grant temporary permanent legal status, granted in 3-year increments, until the aliens, their attorney, or ethnic lobby find a route to permanent green card status to millions of undocumented workers illegal aliens with illegally obtained jobs and their non-working illegal alien family members in the United States NAFTA Central Zone.

10 posted on 01/07/2004 5:00:08 PM PST by dagnabbit (Suport Amnesty 2007 ! For illegals arriving after Bush's 04 amnesty. It's never too early to care.)
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To: sarcasm
What is Tom DeLay's position? That is the million dollar question.

But President Bush is smart, and despite the conventional wisdom today that 'Its just politics, he wins the Hispanic vote while Congress will never pass it', I think a bill will be passed. He isn't that shallow, and the last thing he wants to do allow others to paint him as just playing politics. Oh they'll try, but when he gets some kind of immigration reform passed, that'll fall flat once again.

No, I don't expect that the bill passed will be exactly like this proposal in its present form, because I think this is just a vehicle to get the discussion going. I would expect it to become much broader in scope, more reform-minded, and likely address some of the cost burdens that illegal immigration has imposed. Expect some addendums like Dana Rohrbacker's(sp) proposals to get incorporated. My hope(though it is only speculation) is that today's proposal was the first volley, positioning Bush on the high ground of compassion and compromise, from which Congress can then address the hard reforms that are needed, too. He probably is doing it this way to take away much of the ability of the media to shoot down any reforms with their usual refrain of 'their go those mean-spirited, evil, racist Republicans again.' You may not like that, but in the current climate, that may be the only way to get through some of the tougher measures that are needed. Or maybe it is a mistake. Maybe it is a good cop(Bush), bad cop(DeLay), but I doubt it. Time will tell.

So let's see where DeLay stands. But one thing is for sure, President Bush is no dummy. So I'll bet that something does pass, and this year. I'll also bet he doesn't allow the Dems to turn it into a 'save American jobs' campaign to resurrect their Presidential hopes.
11 posted on 01/07/2004 5:01:07 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firethebcs.com, www.weneedaplayoff.com, www.firemackbrown.com)
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To: Shermy

"Ah this pardon business brings me back. Good for you Dubya!"

12 posted on 01/07/2004 5:01:47 PM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: novacation
You are living with millions of illegal aliens around you. Any proposal which gets them registered as visitors, paying taxes, and identified is worthy of discussion.

You can go to most other countries, if you're properly registered, and get a job. That's not even an issue.

The problem here is that we have let this get out of control. We don't have a guest worker program for unskilled labor, which is what the vast majority of illegal aliens are. We need one.

Whether the one the President outlined is the right one, I don't know. Congress will debate that. But I'm hearing way too much wailing that we've just turned America over to Mexico. But that's precisely what we've been doing for decades. It's time for a program that regulates who is here and for how long. That's progress. What was nonsense was refusing to talk about it for decades.

13 posted on 01/07/2004 5:02:41 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: sarcasm
I fear that in a few years there won't even be a border, which means there won't be an America.

One part of the "plan" that I liked was the "guaranteed" wages and benefits. How many places would hire them if they had to pay $15/hr. with insurance? Also--will these temporary workers have to pay taxes for the first few years?
14 posted on 01/07/2004 5:03:13 PM PST by Little Ed
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To: sarcasm
U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said Wednesday he was confident U.S. President George W. Bush's immigration reform legislation would be approved by Congress.

God help us all.

15 posted on 01/07/2004 5:05:00 PM PST by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: Dog Gone
"...Today, President Bush proposed a new temporary worker program to match willing foreign workers with willing U.S. employers when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs. The program would be open to new foreign workers, and to the undocumented men and women currently employed in the U.S...."

Probably there's other "sleepers" in this bill

16 posted on 01/07/2004 5:06:26 PM PST by Shermy
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To: sarcasm
What happens to the companies that are suddenly required to furnish documentation that they have a job for the folks who now want the new work permit? Wouldn't the fact that your company suddenly has numerous requests for work permits become a red flag implying that you had been paying "undocumented" folks for awhile? Any tax, civil or criminal liability there on the part of the company? Were it my business, I'd be inclined to tell the undocumented folks to go home until I knew the company was protected.
17 posted on 01/07/2004 5:06:47 PM PST by ProfoundMan (The owl flies far for a candy bar.)
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To: AAABEST
Thank god the Democrats are too stupid to go beg on bended knees to Sam Nunn to enter the primaries.
19 posted on 01/07/2004 5:07:19 PM PST by dwilli
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To: Dog Gone
Having seen anything from Tom DeLay on this, or know his position?
20 posted on 01/07/2004 5:07:25 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firethebcs.com, www.weneedaplayoff.com, www.firemackbrown.com)
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To: Dog Gone
It's stealth amnesty.They won't leave after the three years. They already don't care about immigration laws.It stinks that Jorge Arbusto is too spineless to enforce the laws of the country.
21 posted on 01/07/2004 5:09:23 PM PST by novacation
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To: Dog Gone
Oops, make that: Have you seen anything from Tom DeLay on this, or know his position?
22 posted on 01/07/2004 5:09:38 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firethebcs.com, www.weneedaplayoff.com, www.firemackbrown.com)
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To: sarcasm
To put it in the words of my father "we're f**ked" .....

23 posted on 01/07/2004 5:10:33 PM PST by richtig_faust
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To: KantianBurke
What's up with Bill these days? No more post-presidency victory touring?
24 posted on 01/07/2004 5:13:09 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Diddle E. Squat
From another article.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who will have a lot of say in what type of bill comes to the House floor for a vote, said guest worker programs can curb illegal immigration, grow the economy, provide homeland security and create jobs.

But he differed with the president on who should participate.

"I applaud the president for addressing this complex and important issue but I have sincere reservations about allowing illegal immigrants into a U.S. guest worker program, because it has the potential to reward illegal behavior and I am skeptical that it constitutes sound public policy," said DeLay, R-Sugar Land.

25 posted on 01/07/2004 5:13:13 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: dwilli
I would vote for him, he's one of the handful of dems that I like. He's infinitely more conservative and honorable than Bush.

He, Zell Miller and Trafficant (goofy as he is) are more in touch with us than most Republicans.

26 posted on 01/07/2004 5:13:34 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Diddle E. Squat
No, I haven't heard a thing from DeLay on this yet. My guess is that he'll support legislation which gets the illegal population registered and documented, but craft a tough bill which gets any visa-holder kicked out of the country for even committing a misdemeanor.

Bush didn't come up with this policy in a vaccuum. DeLay knew about it in advance, I'm sure. But DeLay is not afraid to come up with a different solution than the President, and getting this particular proposal through Congress is going to be tough.

The main concern I have is that there could be significant defections on the GOP side, meaning significant Democrats would have to support it in order for it to pass. That gives the Democrats the leverage to make it far more friendly to Mexicans than the President proposed.

It's still awfully early to handicap what will happen. There's no bill to look at yet.

27 posted on 01/07/2004 5:17:27 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: richtig_faust
Senate Judiciary Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, praised Bush for opening the debate and said that a new immigration policy should "extend a welcoming hand to those whose presence will benefit our nation and our economy."
28 posted on 01/07/2004 5:18:38 PM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: COEXERJ145
We'll see. The House appears a lot less receptive to the idea than the more left leaning Senate.

Doesn’t matter. They are much more forgiving than I am. I sat out GHWB. I sat out Dole. I’ll sit out GWB. The beatings will continue until morale improves… or something along those lines. At any rate, take a dry-run through the backup plan…

It won’t be the end of the world in any case, IMO.

29 posted on 01/07/2004 5:18:45 PM PST by Who dat?
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To: sarcasm
The Republican Party is no longer the conservative party, the GOP treats conservatives the same way the Demons treat blacks.
30 posted on 01/07/2004 5:22:06 PM PST by GeronL (Ah daunt yous spiel cheekier ether)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Having seen anything from Tom DeLay on this, or know his position?
31 posted on 01/07/2004 5:22:32 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
Your right, the GOP just takes conservative votes for granted.... didn't you hear Sean Hannity?? "who else ya gonna for ?? HUH??"
32 posted on 01/07/2004 5:23:40 PM PST by GeronL (Ah daunt yous spiel cheekier ether)
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To: novacation
I was at work today and didn't hear the speech. I've only read news reports of it.

From what I've read, nothing in the proposal will INCREASE illegal immigration, and it's like to decrease it. At a minimum, we'll know who is here, and we'll greatly eliminate the underground economy.

Now, I'm not sure why that's a bad thing.

33 posted on 01/07/2004 5:24:24 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
tHEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY no INTENTION of actually enforceing our borders. never. Thats just to get some support.

scumbags!!!

34 posted on 01/07/2004 5:25:19 PM PST by GeronL (Ah daunt yous spiel cheekier ether)
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To: sarcasm
Thanks for selling us out Bill!

35 posted on 01/07/2004 5:26:00 PM PST by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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To: Dog Gone
Aww. You believe that tripe. How cute!
36 posted on 01/07/2004 5:26:44 PM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: sarcasm
The only folks I've heard say this is a good idea are some Senators and the Prez. They must be on the take.
37 posted on 01/07/2004 5:27:25 PM PST by JoeGar
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To: Who dat?
I won't be voting either. I see no-one who deserves to win an election
38 posted on 01/07/2004 5:28:41 PM PST by GeronL (Ah daunt yous spiel cheekier ether)
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To: Dog Gone
Thanks for the common sense. It's sorely lacking here. There was an anger directed at immigrants in many of today's posts on the subject that is second only to the anger I've seen Freepers direct at criminals awaiting execution.
39 posted on 01/07/2004 5:28:42 PM PST by madprof98
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To: COEXERJ145
Thanks for the quick reply.

So, reading between the lines(which risks making the wrong interpretation) it looks like at least the two sides that matter seem content to address the issue, increasing the odds that some form of bill(s) will be passed. Bush is now positioned to play the middle, instead of the Dems, in the shaping of the bill(s). That is the political gain, not the shallow idea of simply making a proposal would be enough. He'll also likely end up making compromises to the conservative side, resulting in a better bill(s), but from a position that the swing voters are more likely to endorse/view him as on their side. And just as important, the Senate will probably be in that position, too. Meanwhile the Dems are the ones who get frozen out as extreme.

I hope that we will remember the long goal, we must win the presidency and more seats in the Senate to save the judiciary and be in a position to actually pass more conservative measures.
40 posted on 01/07/2004 5:28:44 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firethebcs.com, www.weneedaplayoff.com, www.firemackbrown.com)
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To: sarcasm
Forgive me if I've missed something, but it seems to me that the reason companies hire illegal aliens is that they're willing to work 'off the books'. If illegal aliens had to be 'on the books' in order to stay here, there would be little incentive for companies to hire them.

While I find the notion of 'amnesty' to be outrageous, I find myself wondering if Bush and company are using "strategery" here. If there's a lawful and reasonable-seeming way for illegal aliens to make their existence in this country at least temporarily lawful, that may make it politically much more feasible to go after those who continue to be here illegally.

41 posted on 01/07/2004 5:28:56 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: VU4G10
Hatch and Ron paul have always been open border. so they're both idiots on one subject... Point?
42 posted on 01/07/2004 5:29:35 PM PST by richtig_faust
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To: Dog Gone
Bush didn't come up with this policy in a vaccuum.

Exactly.

43 posted on 01/07/2004 5:29:44 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firethebcs.com, www.weneedaplayoff.com, www.firemackbrown.com)
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To: Who dat?
I sat out GHWB. I sat out Dole. I’ll sit out GWB.

So you are admitting, that in the votes that mattered the most, you did nothing to advance conservatism.

44 posted on 01/07/2004 5:31:18 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firethebcs.com, www.weneedaplayoff.com, www.firemackbrown.com)
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To: Dog Gone
Take a few minutes and read the transcript.....

President Bush Proposes New Temporary Worker Program [Transcript]

45 posted on 01/07/2004 5:31:27 PM PST by deport (..... DONATE TO FREEREPUBLIC......)
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To: AAABEST
Outrageous.
46 posted on 01/07/2004 5:32:03 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: AAABEST
Thanks for the quick link to the article.
47 posted on 01/07/2004 5:33:30 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firethebcs.com, www.weneedaplayoff.com, www.firemackbrown.com)
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To: Diddle E. Squat; Dog Gone
Having seen anything from Tom DeLay on this, or know his position?

I wish he would use his hammer on those who refuse to enforce current immigration laws.

48 posted on 01/07/2004 5:35:34 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: Dog Gone
We don't have a guest worker program for unskilled labor, We need one

What are you talking about? Hundreds of thousands of legal aliens are here on working visas.

49 posted on 01/07/2004 5:35:56 PM PST by Republic If You Can Keep It
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Supporting moderates and moving the GOP to the left does not advance conservatism
50 posted on 01/07/2004 5:37:24 PM PST by GeronL (Ah daunt yous spiel cheekier ether)
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