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What's Wrong With the Proposals for a New Guestworker Program?
fairus ^ | jan 04 | fairus

Posted on 01/07/2004 6:12:00 PM PST by VU4G10

Proposals for a massive new "guestworker" program would:

The politicians pushing a guestworker amnesty know that Americans staunchly oppose amnesty, and so they shy away from calling it what it really is, instead cloaking it in terms like "earned legalization" or "normalization of status."  They are deliberately misleading the American public.

THEY SAY that the overwhelming majority of people entering the country illegally pose no threat to our country and that if we allow them enter in a lawful manner, we will enhance our homeland security.

THE TRUTH is that there are an estimated 8-11 million illegal aliens in the United States, and it only took 19 to perpetrate the attacks of September 11.  Our immigration system has become overburdened and unmanageable due to mass illegal immigration.  As a result, there is little reason to feel confident that, absent a massive infusion of new resources, which is highly unlikely given current fiscal realities, anything approaching thorough background checks can be conducted on applicants for a guestworker program.  Even without the added burden of an amnesty, people like Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman, the blind Egyptian cleric who masterminded the first World Trade Center bombing, and Mohammed Atta, the leader of the September 11 attacks, managed to slip through the screening process.  There is every reason to believe that adding new responsibilities to an overtaxed system will make us less safe.

No one has yet explained how the millions of applicants would be given security checks or whether that’s even remotely feasible, given an already overburdened immigration enforcement system. Immigration officials would have to deal with hundreds of thousands of more applicants a year, to say nothing of how we would verify eligibility for any of the eight million potential applicants already here illegally, particularly with many of them armed with false identity documents.  When the immigration system can’t adequately perform its most essential mission, adding in the responsibility for security checks, tracking, and removal when necessary for millions of participants in a guestworker program will guarantee disaster.

THEY SAY that the legislation is not an amnesty, but that guestworkers who participate in the program will be eligible for permanent resident status.

THE TRUTH is that the proposal would be an amnesty with an “apprenticeship” provision.  Illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. would  be eligible to apply.  Thus, they would be excused for having violated our immigration laws in the first place, and then be rewarded again with permanent residency--thus making the law, in effect, a double amnesty.  Calling it something else does not change the reality that this proposal is a massive amnesty program.

THEY SAY the program will help regain control of the borders and stop illegal immigration.

THE TRUTH is that the proposal does nothing to discourage future illegal immigration or enforcement of our immigration laws, ensuring that any guestworker or illegal alien who wants to remain in the U.S. can and will.  In fact, about one-third of illegal aliens in the country right now arrived on legal visas and simply never went home.  In addition, it does nothing to strengthen border security to ensure that only guestworkers, and not terrorists, are being admitted.

THEY SAY that spouses and children of illegal aliens may also be eligible to participate in the visa program.

THE TRUTH is that this would be an amnesty not only for those who qualify for this “guestworker” program, but a simultaneous amnesty for their dependents, whether or not they are workers.  Aside from expanding the amnesty to include non-workers, it also grants a benefit to the dependents of illegal aliens that is not afforded to the families of other guestworkers who never violated the law.  Moreover, it undermines the stated – if flawed – purpose of a guestworker program:  that foreign workers come temporarily and then return home.  Employers would be able to utilize a virtually limitless supply of guestworkers at low wages, while the expense for services like education and health care for dependent family members would have to be picked up by taxpayers.

THEY SAY that an electronic job registry operated through the Department of Labor will allow employers to post jobs and American workers would have the first chance to apply.  Moreover, the jobs would have to be offered again at the end of the three-year period, and that workers’ visas would be renewed only if no Americans are willing to take them.

THE TRUTH is that in the estimation of the General Accounting Office and former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, the provisions in existing guestworker programs that are intended to ensure that American workers get first crack at jobs have been a complete failure.  Even if the political will existed to prevent employers from bypassing American workers in favor of foreign guestworkers – which there doesn’t – the Labor Department does not have the resources to monitor the hiring process.  A federal government that managed to fine a grand total of 13 employers nationwide in 2002 for violating employer sanctions laws cannot be counted on to enforce the provisions of a guestworker program either.

THEY SAY that BSIIA would be a market-driven program that will negate the reasons why employers hire illegal aliens.

THE TRUTH is that under BSIIA, there would not even be a prevailing wage requirement, meaning that employers will be able to offer wages far below what most Americans would be willing to accept, thereby creating an artificial need for guestworkers.  In effect, the law would grant legal sanction to employers who want to hire workers at low wages and limited leverage.  One of the primary purposes of our immigration laws is to prevent employers from undermining wages and working conditions of American workers.

THEY SAY that the program would prevent abuse of foreign workers by affording them mobility and the ability to file grievances against abusive employers.

THE TRUTH is that the mobility of guestworkers would still be very limited and their ability to change jobs would depend on finding another employer who was willing to go through the procedure of posting a job and wading through the bureaucratic red tape.  The primary interest of the workers would be to hold a job for six years in order to qualify for permanent residency.  Moreover, at the end of the “apprenticeship” period, when the guestworker would be granted permanent residency and would gain bargaining power, there is no reason to expect that the employer would not seek another guestworker who is willing to work at below-market wages.

THEY SAY that the program would prevent deaths along the border.

THE TRUTH is that U.S. immigration laws are not responsible for the deaths along the border – it is the violation of our immigration laws that is  responsible.  If there is any culpability on the part of the American government, it is in its failure to deter illegal immigration by aggressively enforcing laws that prohibit illegal aliens from working here or accessing public benefits.  Sending a clear signal that illegal entry to the U.S. will not be rewarded would have the desired effect of dissuading people from placing their lives and safety into the hands of unscrupulous smugglers.  Besides, when the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (BICE) adopted a measure that demonstrably cut down the likelihood of border deaths – by repatriating illegal alien crossers who were apprehended in Arizona to border towns in Texas – the open borders lobby protested, charging that the program was unfair to illegal aliens.

THEY SAY the program will provide workers when and while they’re needed.

THE TRUTH is that when the economy takes a downturn, there will be millions of guestworkers in the U.S. without a job, without a home, without health care, and with no intention of returning to their home countries.  The guestworkers’ unemployment problems become the public’s burden.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; guestworkers; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; mexico; nationalsecurity
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1 posted on 01/07/2004 6:12:01 PM PST by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10

What's wrong with it is there are no provisions for turning off influx of illegals - they will do nothing to stem the tides at the borders

If they sealed the borders first, I'd support a guest worker program.

2 posted on 01/07/2004 6:15:26 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (The only good news for Democrats is they could save $$ by switching to Geico.)
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To: All
Hey, I don't mean to be nosey...
... but I'd really like some bacon,
or some help for FR.

3 posted on 01/07/2004 6:16:56 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Freepers post from sun to sun, but a fundraiser bot's work is never done.)
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To: VU4G10
Interesting comments, but, uhh, this ain't McCain's proposal, so I'm wondering why it's being posted in response to Bush's plan.
4 posted on 01/07/2004 6:17:40 PM PST by kingu
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To: Keith in Iowa
AND with the provision that any illegals here would have to return to their home country, and reapply for guest worker status. Any caught here after a certain date would be deported with NO CHANCE AT Guest worker status , or other visa. They also need to make sure that the guest worker program is tightly controlled with real teeth for violations.

But realistically, none of this is going to happen until we have a major catastrophe as a result of our lax border control and immigration policy. Then God help the responsible politicians when the populace vents it's wrath.
5 posted on 01/07/2004 6:20:27 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: VU4G10
Bend over and kiss "it" goodbye.

We're about to lose our sovreignty. Our definition of state. Our language. Our culture and our uniquely American way of life. The rule of law is about to become meaningless. I never thought that I'd live to see the day when a Republican president would commit such a heinous act and surrender our borders to criminals and alien ideals.

This is sickening to me.

6 posted on 01/07/2004 6:27:09 PM PST by Thumper1960
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To: Keith in Iowa
"If they sealed the borders first, I'd support a guest worker program.".. they didn't seal them after the other amnesties.. national security didn't make them seal the borders.. the 9/11 attack didn't urge them to seal the borders..what makes you think that yet another amnesty will make them seal the borders?
7 posted on 01/07/2004 6:28:42 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004 Primary)
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To: Zipporah
>>...what makes you think that yet another amnesty will make them seal the borders?

Nothing. They don't have the testicular fortitude to do it. Neither party does.
8 posted on 01/07/2004 6:30:47 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (The only good news for Democrats is they could save $$ by switching to Geico.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
.. disheartening isn't it?
9 posted on 01/07/2004 6:31:19 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004 Primary)
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To: VU4G10
>THE TRUTH is that when the economy takes a downturn, there >will be millions of guestworkers in the U.S. without a >job, without a home, without health care, and with no >intention of returning to their home countries. The >guestworkers’ unemployment problems become the public’s >burden.

It is my understanding that if they aren't working, they have to go. With "illegal", it might be easier to deport.
10 posted on 01/07/2004 6:31:54 PM PST by sunryse
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To: Keith in Iowa
What's wrong with it is there are no provisions for turning off influx of illegals - they will do nothing to stem the tides at the borders

As wrong as that aspect of it is, I think what's even worse is that another amnesty will probably encourage even more illegal immigrants to become part of that tide.

11 posted on 01/07/2004 6:32:08 PM PST by Bob
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To: nutmeg
read later
12 posted on 01/07/2004 6:33:07 PM PST by nutmeg (Is the DemocRATic party extinct yet?)
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To: Thumper1960
coming to a neighborhood near you:


13 posted on 01/07/2004 6:34:24 PM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Keith in Iowa; Zipporah
I'm not just flaming out here... I'm genuinely interested in your approach: How do we "seal" 22,000 miles of border? Lots of people throw that out as if it were like locking a gate. But how is it actually done?

Checkpoints every few miles on every highway? Everybody carries a passport or other "papers" to prove they are a citizen?
14 posted on 01/07/2004 6:36:03 PM PST by Ramius
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To: KantianBurke
Coming?

Looks just like underneath the interstate on the edge of downtown Seattle...only it's white people living there.

15 posted on 01/07/2004 6:37:55 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: VU4G10
The author does not understand the proposal he is commenting on. Sad he wasted his time writing this.
16 posted on 01/07/2004 6:43:10 PM PST by thoughtomator ("I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid"-Qadafi)
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To: Thumper1960
I agree. This is not about immigration in my opinion, it is about "no borders." ANYWHERE expecting average Joe Blow to pay tab for all the foreign help, government programs and for any ramifications caused due to fall-out of this proposal. All for the good of the "world" and "economic" power. I don't believe it--it is for the power-players and profits no common man ANYWHERE in the world will benefit these low wages and I do not believe they are the ones the benefit is intended for. I CAN'T AFFORD ANY MORE OR I WILL HAVE TO GO ON THE TAKE AND YOU ALL WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR ME!! This is all wayyyyy tooooo scary for me on the cusp of retirement age...
17 posted on 01/07/2004 6:51:05 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Kozak
Then God help the responsible politicians when the populace vents it's wrath.

Amen to that statement. I surely thought that Dubya was smarter than he appeared today but I guess that he is, after all, just a politician looking for his next vote. This will bite him and the pubbies big time in years to come.

He was right on a number of points today, most importantly that our nation is a nation of immigrants. But he is having a problem distinguishing between 'legal' immigrants and 'illegal' immigrants.

GW said that jobs will be offered first to American citizens? Does that mean that there will be a published list of jobs for which I can compete prior to an illegal being placed in that job? I think not.

He also said that 'illegals' after being made legal, because they have an employer, would be able to change jobs at will? Between jobs they would have no employer sponsor and would become illegal again? Go figure?

Finally, it seems that we are just coming out of a major economic downturn (fabricated or not fabricated for political purposes) where American workers, 350,000+ of them are having a problem finding work? Does this announcement that Dubya made today mean that next weeks unemployment index will be zero?

18 posted on 01/07/2004 6:51:42 PM PST by eeriegeno
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To: Keith in Iowa
If they sealed the borders first, I'd support a guest worker program.

Exactly, but it's obvious that the feds have no interest in sealing up the border with Mexico. It would be so cost effective to put a 200 yard landmined buffer between the US and Mexico. Just have 10 ft high, razor wire fences on either side. AND it would actually save lives. No more illegals dying in the desert. It would take just one idiot to cross in and get blown to unrecognizable pieces and everyone would get the message.

19 posted on 01/07/2004 6:55:54 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: Trout-Mouth
They are pushing us. Pushing us hard. And, too far. It's got to stop. Now!
20 posted on 01/07/2004 6:56:04 PM PST by Thumper1960
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To: Ramius
How do we "seal" 22,000 miles of border

See post 19. If it's good enough for the Korean peninsula, hell it's good enough for us!

21 posted on 01/07/2004 6:58:05 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: sunryse
It is my understanding that if they aren't working, they have to go.

And you really think we will enforce this? We currently have people who enter the US on visitor, student or work visa's and violate the terms of the visa by overstaying or working. We don't deport them. We won't deport the guest workers either. By the way, when the "guest" workers have children here in the US, guess who is automatically a US citizen? How do you deport the "guest worker" then?
22 posted on 01/07/2004 6:59:43 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Thumper1960

LOL! I know you meant for it to be taken seriously and dramatic and all, but thanks for the chuckle all the same.

23 posted on 01/07/2004 7:04:48 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Ramius
Consider the present cost: The Congress has quietly approved the most open-door policy in history, allowing up to l0,000 immigrants per day.
The number of illegal immigrants now in the United States is 8.7 million, and the INS is unable to deport them. U.S. services and benefits given to legal and illegal immigrants cost American taxpayers $68 billion per year - and that number is growing. Then basically the entire population would be mobilized..
Bilingual education doubles the cost of schooling aliens. In the Southwest, a new school per day would have to be built to keep up.
English as our language is under assault - with driver's licenses, voting ballots and citizenship ceremonies offered in dozens of languages.
American history and achievements are being replaced in schoolbooks with political correctness, self-criticism and America as "oppressor."
400,000 foreigners now collect Social Security benefits without ever working a single day in America. Immigrants get Medicaid twice as often as native citizens.
Immigration costs U.S.-born workers $133 billion per year in job losses.
On Sept. 11, legal and illegal Muslim immigrant terrorists killed 3,000 innocent Americans and destroyed tens of billions of dollars in property.
Over 25 percent of federal prisoners are immigrants. Illegals commit 12 percent of felonies, 25 percent of burglaries and 34 percent of car thefts.
Non-citizens collect $7 billion per year in welfare, including medical assistance, food stamps and housing - courtesy of U.S. taxpayers, whose representatives in the Congress allow this to happen.
Two-thirds of U.S. population growth is due to our immigration policy. American cities, parks, roads, schools, beaches, hospitals and water supplies are straining under increasing pressure for more and more freebies.

A bounty of even $100 paid to report illegals that would "result in the deportation" which would amount to a billion dollars which would be a bargain compared to what we are now paying in tax dollars and maybe American firms would have to begin to offer reasonable wages so Americans would be employed in those jobs that "Americans won't take"..

24 posted on 01/07/2004 7:08:22 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004 Primary)
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To: Thumper1960
The "they" in your statement to me means both Dims and Repubs. Dims are $breaking$ the worker and Repubs are breaking labor (wages) while wanting more money for the cause--but what is the cause?? I wonder why these countries that our corporations are rushing to don't demand their people be paid the same as the countries the corporations left. Then I would believe it was about people bettering themselves rather than power being the only benefactor in this economic struggle. Are we really fighting for jobs at McDonalds? My pea brain must not understand!!
25 posted on 01/07/2004 7:14:00 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Cultural Jihad
Which part was humorous?
26 posted on 01/07/2004 7:14:05 PM PST by Thumper1960
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To: Trout-Mouth
I'm beginning to wonder if there is a difference between Socialists and One Worlders.
27 posted on 01/07/2004 7:16:04 PM PST by Thumper1960
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To: Thumper1960
Wait until the "world tax" hits us!!
28 posted on 01/07/2004 7:18:10 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: All
Why doesn't EVERYONE just step back and take a breath.
Why does it make sense to just "write off" our president after only a few hours of this "suggestion", which is all it is.
In the days to come, there will be much intelligent and not-so-intelligent discussions of this issue, I'm sure we will all learn a lot.
We should be open to listen and learn before making a decision in 3 or 4 hours after.
Even the politicians most likely discuss and learn about an issue before making decisions, we can be at least as good as they or even more intelligent in our decisions.
There are so many things that will adapt or change this embryo.
29 posted on 01/07/2004 7:21:14 PM PST by oreolady (Wanted: new tag line)
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To: Ramius
How do we "seal" 22,000 miles of border?

      22,000 miles?  The land border of the US is 12034 km (or 7478 miles), including the Alaska - Yukon border. Add a coastline of 19,924 km (or 12380 miles), and you get up to 19858 miles.  The Coast Guard does a decent job of patrolling the coasts already.  CIA World Factbook

Checkpoints every few miles on every highway?

      No.  Just 1 (one) per highway - at the border. 
30 posted on 01/07/2004 7:21:37 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: thoughtomator
The author does not understand the proposal he is commenting on.

      And what part does he not understand?
31 posted on 01/07/2004 7:26:15 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Ramius
Oh and in addition, I didn't address the cost of family reunification according the the CIA website re Mexico
Total fertility rate: 2.53 children born/woman (2003 est.)

.. consider that a spouse would come to the US in addition to those 2.53 children... consider multiplying 10,000 times (the numbers of illegals admitted to) those children & spouse.

32 posted on 01/07/2004 7:28:34 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004 Primary)
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To: Celtman
So maybe I'm off by a little. Whatever.

I was in the USCG for a time... we estimated that we caught about 2% of the illegal traffic into the country. Maybe that's good enough to "seal" those borders. All we need is to be 50 times more effective.

The entire USCG is still smaller than the NYPD.

Some illegals will *always* get past the border. The only way to catch them is to put checkpoints in place all over the country.
33 posted on 01/07/2004 7:29:03 PM PST by Ramius
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To: eeriegeno
."our nation is a nation of immigrants".. name one country that is a nation of immigrants.
34 posted on 01/07/2004 7:29:43 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004 Primary)
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To: Zipporah
I wish you were right. Really, I do.

I only wish we had the workforce here in the U.S. lining up for those jobs picking lettuce, at any wage. That would solve any unemployment problem now and forever.

But it seems that people just don't wanna pay five bucks a head for lettuce or whatever it would cost once the unions got their fingers in it. Is... a puzzlement.
35 posted on 01/07/2004 7:33:20 PM PST by Ramius
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To: eeriegeno
..sorry I meant to ask: "name one country that is not a country of immigrants...
36 posted on 01/07/2004 7:33:22 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004 Primary)
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To: Zipporah
Yawn! A "country of immigrants" is not the point. "Controlled immigration" is.
37 posted on 01/07/2004 7:37:54 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Thumper1960

All of it.

38 posted on 01/07/2004 7:40:27 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Ramius
How ?

Landmines and a 20 foot high Concrete Wall on the southern border. . .
39 posted on 01/07/2004 7:43:11 PM PST by Salgak (don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
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To: VU4G10
bump
40 posted on 01/07/2004 7:45:04 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Trout-Mouth
I'm not saying that I buy into the 'country of immigrants' argument.. I am saying ALL countries in the world are populated by immigrants, ours only being more recent.
41 posted on 01/07/2004 7:50:18 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004 Primary)
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To: Salgak
Boats.
42 posted on 01/07/2004 7:52:26 PM PST by Ramius
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To: eeriegeno
The announcement made today is just a precursor to the giveaway of America.

He is traveling to the Summit of the Americas next week. In addition to the amnesty Mr. Bush will give away more American tax dollars through the wealth redistribution scheme called the Millenium Challenge Account.

"Finally, Noriega reminded his audience that the White House has proposed an initiative to provide incentives for, and reward, good governance and social investments which "are critical to the future of the Americas." The initiative, known as the Millennium Challenge Account, aims to provide funds "to those countries that govern justly and honestly, uphold the rule of law, fight corruption, invest in their people, and promote economic freedom," he said."
--Ambassador Roger Noriega



43 posted on 01/07/2004 7:53:42 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Zipporah
The open-border types love the "nation of immigrants" platitude, though the USA is more accurately described as a nation of settlers, fortified by several assimilated waves of immigration.

Waves, of course, have a beginning and an end, unlike today's model of open-ended extended family chain migration and winked-at illegal migration. So now's there's no wave, just an endless torrent, which helps make assilation passe because there's no lull in migration, and the numbers are great enough to basically set up colonized areas (additionally multiculturalism holds that assimilation is akin to racism).

44 posted on 01/07/2004 7:54:50 PM PST by dagnabbit (Tell Bush not to abolish the USA - Vote for or write in someone else in your GOP primary)
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To: VU4G10
THEY SAY that the overwhelming majority of people entering the country illegally pose no threat to our country and that if we allow them enter in a lawful manner, we will enhance our homeland security. THE TRUTH is that there are an estimated 8-11 million illegal aliens in the United States, and it only took 19 to perpetrate the attacks of September 11.

See, this is exactly what's wrong with the argument about this. Somehow people who merely want to work for a living in a land of opportunity are conflated with terrorists. That's an incendiary charge. It basically amounts to a slander against many people.

We also see this confusion between somet How is increasing *legal* immigration a bad thing if the real problem is *illegal* immigration? Or is it anti-any-immigration that is going on?

Our documentation security and border security is indeed enhanced if we can find a way to disincentivize the massive law-breaking so the PROBLEM OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION BECOMES SMALLER. The guest worker program is an "out" and a way to track the illegal immigrants. Combined with documentation verification provisions and ways to more truly enforce laws against non-complying employers, and we could indeed 'drain the swamp' of illegal immigration. But you need carrot as well as stick techniques; sadly, niether side is willing to try both.

"THEY SAY that the overwhelming majority of people entering the country illegally pose no threat to our country" is indeed correct wrt national security.

Someone else here said: "The author does not understand the proposal he is commenting on. Sad he wasted his time writing this." ... I agree.

45 posted on 01/07/2004 7:54:50 PM PST by WOSG
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To: VU4G10
Michelle Malkin


The criminal raid on Social Security





My eight-week-old son's Social Security card recently arrived in the mail. On the back, there's a stern warning: "Improper use of this card or number by anyone is punishable by fine, imprisonment or both." Welcome to the world of government theft and selective enforcement, my boy.


While innocent babes who have yet to earn a penny are threatened with jail time for misusing Social Security cards, the Bush administration appears set this week to turn the ailing government pension program into an international relief fund for illegal alien workers who used counterfeit Social Security cards and stolen numbers to secure illegal jobs.


Unlike the bedtime stories I tell at night, I am not making this up.


This belated gift to the open-borders lobby and President Mexican Vicente Fox is part of a larger amnesty plan that has been in the works since before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. So, why exactly are we rewarding a country that has been obstinately opposed to the War on Terror? Go ask Mr. Brilliant, Karl Rove. This I do know: It couldn't have come at a worse time from either a fiscal or national security standpoint.


According to Rep. Clay Shaw (R-Fla.), chairman of House Ways and Means subcommittee on Social Security, benefits paid to retirees will exceed revenues in just 15 years. The pay-as-you-go system could go belly up as early as 2030. These projections don't take into account the economic impact of the Bush proposal, which would allow untold millions of illegal aliens from Mexico to collect full cash benefits for themselves and their families from their home country — without having to work the required number of years that law-abiding American citizens must work to be eligible for payouts.


JWR columnist Joel Mowbray, who first exposed this treachery a year ago, noted that this raw deal may well cost overburdened U.S. taxpayers $345 billion over the next 20 years. Probably much more. As we know from experience, Social Security projections are notoriously off the mark.


The bureaucrats call this scheme "totalization." Try total prostration. The proposed agreement is nothing more than a transfer of wealth from those who play by the rules to those who willingly and knowingly mock our own immigration and tax laws. What are we doing promising lifetime Social Security paychecks to day laborers in Juarez when we can't even guarantee those benefits to workers here at home?







Unbelievably, the White House is trying to convince us to embrace this global ripoff because it "rewards work." No, it rewards criminal behavior. The plan will siphon off the hard-earned tax dollars of American workers who may never see a dime of their confiscated earnings and fork it over to foreigners guilty of at least four acts of federal law-breaking: crossing the border illegally, working illegally, engaging in tax fraud, and using bogus documents.


Giving money to scam artists will simply result in more fraud — not only by Mexican agricultural workers, but also by Middle Easterners such as Youssef Hmimssa, who provided fake Social Security numbers and fraudulent drivers' licenses to members of an accused terrorist cell in Detroit. "If you have the right connection, you can get anything," he testified before the Senate last fall.


The door is now open for all illegal aliens to collect retirement benefits using bogus Social Security cards. What's next: survivors' benefits for the families of the nineteen Sept. 11 hijackers?

46 posted on 01/07/2004 7:57:10 PM PST by fatso
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To: KantianBurke
We already have 8 million illegals so those shantytowns would already be here.
47 posted on 01/07/2004 7:57:23 PM PST by WOSG
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To: VU4G10
BTW the statement that an employer must show no us citizen wants the job is pretty much the US law now. Just now it is for skilled labor not unskilled.
48 posted on 01/07/2004 8:00:21 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Ramius
Joseph Stalin did a pretty good job of it. It isn't that hard. Just put a sentry road along the border and man it. Do the math; it doesn't take that many people (or just ask Stalin).
49 posted on 01/07/2004 8:04:42 PM PST by ableChair
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To: VU4G10
THEY SAY that the legislation is not an amnesty, but that guestworkers who participate in the program will be eligible for permanent resident status. THE TRUTH is that the proposal would be an amnesty with an “apprenticeship” provision. Illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. would be eligible to apply. Thus, they would be excused for having violated our immigration laws in the first place, and then be rewarded again with permanent residency--thus making the law, in effect, a double amnesty. Calling it something else does not change the reality that this proposal is a massive amnesty program.

This guy is lying. The proposal quite clearly continues to control the 'green card' status through the same channels as before, and so the number of people getting permanent residency would increase. So there cant be a huge amnesty unless the number of green card approvals - currently in the 140,000 range is massively increased. Even if it were doubled to 280,000 it would take *40 years* to have all 8-11 million illegals get green cards. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN UNDER THIS PLAN.

This is a plan to divert illegals into 3 streams: US citizen wannabes, revolving door workers, and *deportees*.

I think the program would be a total FLOP if there were no documentation & enforcement elements. Why? Then the illegals would have little incentive to get into this program, it is just a trap to track them. OTOH, it would instead be a swamp-drainer if combined with greater enforcement. Then any illegal would jump into the program rather than risk deportation. Carrot & stick would work to drain the swamp of illegal immigration.

50 posted on 01/07/2004 8:05:33 PM PST by WOSG
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