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Dean's Jesus talk is ringing false in the South
Tallahassee Democrat ^ | 8-Jan-2004 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 01/08/2004 6:14:57 AM PST by stainlessbanner

Dr. Howard Dean's God problem is like his Confederate flag problem. The more he tries to explain himself, the worse it gets and the further from political grace he strays.

First Dean swears he's committed to Jesus
Christ, then says he'd rather not talk about it. Except in the South, where he promises he'll be saying more and more about religion.

Which doesn't come easily to him, he reminds us, because he's from the Northeast where people don't wear their religion on their sleeves, as do those good folks down yonder.

But, well, when in Rome - Georgia, that is - praise Jesus and pass the grits.

From the boys in pickup trucks with Confederate flag stickers to the Bible-thumping Jesus bloc, one wonders what's next? Beauty queens, golfers and deer hunters? Look for Dean in camo, teeing off at Myrtle Beach with Miss South Carolina while tailgating on venison stew. Better make it an SUV, Bubba.

Dean's latest problem, however, isn't really about religion. It's not about whether he can accurately quote scripture or knows to which Testament the book of Job belongs. Recently Dean said Job was his favorite book in the Bible and placed it in the New Testament.

No, Dean's problem is far more complicated, and potentially more politically crippling, than the measure of his Christian content. The elephant in his front parlor is class. When he starts talking about Jesus to Southern religious folk, Dean betrays his upper-class dimness and insults the less privileged he hopes to attract.

Dean saying he's uncomfortable talking about religion because he's from the Northeast and his people don't talk openly about religion only reminds Southerners that he's from "off." And, let's face it, it underscores that he knows as much about poor people as he does about Job.

Personally, I have no problem with rich people. I don't think humble origin makes one more qualified for any job or that poverty endows greater virtue.

It's admirable when people make it on their own, to be sure. We love that in America. But given that we all strive to improve our lives materially, and hope that our children fare even better, it's contradictory to issue demerits to those who prove the American dream true.

Besides, only a generation or two separates the rich from the poor in the United States. As Joan Didion once wrote, it's not as though Americans have been gazing down 600 years of rolled lawns. We're all cut from the same cotton duck.

I also don't think Dean deserves to be beaten up for misplacing Job in the New Testament. Speaking extemporaneously is tricky, especially after months on the road, and slips of the tongue are both expected and forgivable.

But Dean's biblical slip, which merely underscored his awkward foray into the religious realm, damages most for casting light on his blinding insincerity. One day he scolds the South for casting votes around guns, God and gays. A few weeks later, he confesses to devotion to Christ and starts invoking the Lord.

He's like the carnival barker who says what potential suckers want to hear: "You want Jesus? Have we got Jesus!"

What Dean doesn't seem to "get" - and perhaps this is owing to his privilege - is that out-front religion in the South is often as much a function of social class as it is of faith. Among many poor blacks and whites, church is the cocktail party without the booze, the social club without the pedigree.

You don't find Southern Episcopalians, who prefer Chardonnay with their communion wafers, standing on street corners imploring passersby to prepare to meet Jesus. They're as lock-jawed and emotionally taut as any Park Avenue Yalie.

In other words, Dean's New England excuse is just another backhand to the poor voters he courts.

Here's what I've noticed having lived much of my life in the Bible Belt: Southerners have a bird dog's nose for artifice. And one sure-fire ticket to damnation, regardless of faith or denomination, is to be a fake.

That's why George Bush and Joseph Lieberman can talk about their faith with impunity. Faith is part of who they are rather than something they dust off at election time. The same was true of Jimmy Carter, but not of Bill Clinton, who brought out the Bible only when his tear ducts needed priming.

Dean would have fared far better had he stuck to his true grit, rather than his Southern impression. Religion is personal, he might have said, and even Southerners could understand that. What they can't understand, and are less likely to forgive, is a man who bears false witness.

Proverbs. Old Testament.


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KEYWORDS: 2004; christian; confederate; dean; deanschristianity; dixie; dixielist; god; howarddean; kathleenparker; south; southernstrategy
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To: nepdap
Moses' and 'bearing false witness' is indeed Exodus 20:16, but I guess I over-abbreviated my post.

Bearing fasle witness as a phrase does not have its origins in Proverbs, but rather with Moses receiving the 9th commandment from God. That was my first point.

Second point was about Solomon's wisdom going back to mankind's original perfect relationship with God -- in Genesis.

I can see how my post implied error. I'll be more precise in the future. ;-)
41 posted on 01/08/2004 7:42:15 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: RebelBanker
When someone saves your life and is the center of your life, then you don't just "talk" about HIM...Jesus is VITAL to me like blood is to my heart pumping - for Dean to try and "put on Jesus" is beyond an insult - but then, he'll have to face Jesus someday and that will be Dean's biggest problem...
42 posted on 01/08/2004 7:48:05 AM PST by princess leah
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To: stainlessbanner
Professing themselves to be wise
they became fools

Romans 1.22
44 posted on 01/08/2004 7:56:10 AM PST by tubebender (Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see...)
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To: Arkie2
Just gotta ask yourself how much more of his Crap is his base going to take...

Discretionary spending growing at a rate 3 times faster than under Clinton (Over 10% growth per year)

$480 Billion deficits.

A $400 Billion (projected, actual costs will probably be closer to $4 trillion) over 10 years, brand spanking new entitlement program.

Campaign Finance Reform.

Billions in new Federal spending on Education.

Amnesty for 10 million+ Illegals (did the speech with the Mexican Gov't officials on stage make you want to puke as well?)
45 posted on 01/08/2004 7:57:49 AM PST by Guillermo (All Puns Intended)
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To: princess leah
...but then, he'll have to face Jesus someday and that will be Dean's biggest problem...

I wholeheartedly agree, but must point out that the general election is likely to be a somewhat more immediate problem for him even if it does pale in comparison.

BTW, I am not sure I follow the connection from my post to yours. I do not mind at all, but must admit that you seem to have thrown me a bit of a non-sequitor.

46 posted on 01/08/2004 7:57:56 AM PST by RebelBanker (Deo Vindice)
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To: PistolPaknMama; stainlessbanner
"he ain't from around here."

Thats the truth. The more he talks,,,the worse it gets.

47 posted on 01/08/2004 8:01:22 AM PST by SCDogPapa (In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
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To: Guillermo
I've already said on this forum that I have no intention of voting for Bush. At best he's Dem light. I do think however that his reelection is pretty much a done deal.
48 posted on 01/08/2004 8:08:15 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Blueflag
Total agreement on both of your points -- we're on the same side here! :-)
49 posted on 01/08/2004 8:31:13 AM PST by nepdap
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To: Arkie2
I am with you Arkie2.

As sick as it may be I am actually considering voting Democrap this time as GWB has proved that he is a 100 times more liberal than any demofilth.

So far his tax cut & excellent handling of the Iraq event are the only thing he has done that I agree with.

Just like Clinton he is selling out the American people for his own personal advancement. IMHO GWB is a truly evil person and even though I voted for him in 2000 it will not happen again.
50 posted on 01/08/2004 8:44:52 AM PST by Cardini
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To: Cardini
You're definitely not with me. I wouldn't vote Democrat if someone were holding a gun to my head. It's either Libertarian or I won't be voting at all.
51 posted on 01/08/2004 9:31:50 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Arkie2
No I am still with you. I would rather be dead than a Democrap.

Just my anger with GWB spilling over.

Best of Luck!
52 posted on 01/08/2004 9:47:17 AM PST by Cardini
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To: Dutchgirl
Catholics are exempt! Didn't you know?...*Grins*

Am still waiting to hear how Dean contemplated the Seminary, and started healing early on in life.

The problem with most of the Democratic candidates is that they have reviled A belief in God, or those that choose to follow God rather than the almighty government for an awful long time, and their getting in touch with their "Jesus" side is sounding pretty hollow.

Dean must be a "Metro-man".

53 posted on 01/08/2004 10:02:01 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( Freedom needs a soldier...)
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To: kinghorse
"As soon as John Q Southern Voter steps into the booth and contemplates "President Clark" he/she will think Democrat but vote Republican. Even Arkansans will vote Bush over Wesley unless they are true democrats, meaning Govt supported leeches." If bush keeps giving away Southern jobs to third world countries and continues his policy of open (illegal) immigration, then John Q Southerner won't be voting at all, let alone for bush.
54 posted on 01/08/2004 10:18:36 AM PST by chronotrigger (yoquierotacobell)
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To: chronotrigger
you sound like a liberal. blame others.
55 posted on 01/08/2004 10:28:06 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: stainlessbanner
Jesus said:

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. -- Matthew 7:22-23


56 posted on 01/08/2004 11:20:26 AM PST by ppaul
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To: stainlessbanner
BTTT
57 posted on 01/08/2004 11:33:27 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Arkie2
"misunderestimate"

Is that really a word now?

58 posted on 01/08/2004 4:56:13 PM PST by perfect stranger (No tag line text found. ERROR 7c240000-10e36. This application will be terminated.)
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To: chronotrigger
Oh and I would probably have not enjoyed my 17 year (and counting) run with the company I'm at without NAFTA. You lose jobs, you gain jobs. The jobs you lose are low paying dead end ones and the jobs you gain are high end ones. We have a company down in Mesco selling refinery equipment like there's no tomorrow. If those folks didn't have a demand for oil there wouldn't be an expansion going on. There's a demand for oil because they are working and consuming.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

NAFTA was smart thinking and free trade in general is smart thinking. Painful for some to be sure but the majority gain.
59 posted on 01/09/2004 2:12:58 PM PST by kinghorse
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To: perfect stranger
it's a play on Bush-isms.
60 posted on 01/09/2004 2:13:56 PM PST by kinghorse
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