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Katherine Harris Planning US Senate Run
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Posted on 01/08/2004 8:42:04 AM PST by Bush Cheney

Edited on 01/08/2004 11:40:39 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Watch your makeup compact, Hillary, Florida's Katherine Harris may have her eyes on the United States Senate, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

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Against the apparent wishes of senior Bush strategists, Harris has decided in her heart and mind that she will seek the Republican nomination for the U.S. Senate seat, sources close to Harris tell DRUDGE.

"She wants it, wants it badly!" a top source said Thursday. "She'll make her decision public within the next week."

The source, who has daily contact with Harris, cautions the congresswoman still could hold back and not make the run, in deference to the president and his brother's wishes.

Sarasota County's GOP chairman, Tramm Hudson, said he spoke to Harris Tuesday night and that she seemed ready to run, according to reports. Harris continues to be one of the party's top fund-raisers.

Elsewhere, Texas Senator Kay Hutchison has reportedly advised her republican counterpart to "Go for it!"

If elected Harris would join a select group of women ever to serve in the United States Senate.

MORE Harris advisers dispel any notion that bad blood still runs in Florida over Harris's role in the 2000 election drama.

"Look, Governor Bush handily won re-election last year, after 2000, and the state's voters did not punish him," notes one top Harris strategist who asked not to be named.

"And they will not punish Katherine. The senate campaign will be on the issues, and electing the best person to represent Florida in the senate!"

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To: Bush Cheney; First_Salute
Seeing her certify the Florida election results in 2000 on TV and without comment was an emotional moment for me. The only sound was the scratching of the pen.

The rule of law in action.

251 posted on 01/08/2004 4:57:33 PM PST by snopercod (Wishing y'all a prosperous, happy, and FREE new year!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You're rhetoric is random crap.

First off, I'm no liberal, but since you do support the Bush proposal, I'd say you're showing your liberal or libertarian colors.

Secondly, PresBush is excusing an offense without exacting a penalty, by granting legal status to illegal aliens. That's called a pardon. Bush is the authority granting this pardon to a large group of individuals. That's called amnesty.

Your third point, I already answered.

I don't remember PresReagan coming out in support of PresBush`s proposal and for good reason.

252 posted on 01/08/2004 5:06:10 PM PST by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
Harris did very poorly in that district in that electoral climate. Harkening back to how Bush did in the same district in a Dem-leaning year in Florida is an irrelevancy and makes no point to support your argument. Governor Bush did considerably better than Harris there (same year, same voters). The fact the NRCC had to get involved to help her in that district doesn't say much for her campaign skills.

In a sense, I'd love to see Harris run and win concurrently with Bush in Florida. That'd certainly stick a needle in the eye of the liberals. But, it's not a very favorable scenario and not one I would risk.
253 posted on 01/08/2004 5:14:43 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Reagan Man
"I don't remember PresReagan coming out in support of PresBush`s proposal and for good reason."

That's funny, don't know how to get out of this one, do you?

There are lots of people reading this thread, just chuckling at your spinning around the question here.

If anything can actually be said about the Bush proposal, is that it is more modest, and less generous than the Reagan amnesty, in fact, Bush's is not an amnesty at all.

You call people who support Bush's plan idiots, and wear the name of the man after who Bush crafted this idea.

Reagan granted amnesty, and people who support amnesty are idiots according to you, so, in your opinion, Reagan is an idiot, and you call yourself Reagan Man.

1+1=2

254 posted on 01/08/2004 5:18:53 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
You're late to the party little kitty. We've already had this discussion. Your point has been discredited and your opinion is wrong.
255 posted on 01/08/2004 5:19:36 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: ClintonBeGone
Your point has been discredited and your opinion is wrong.

Not on this thread it hasn't been, if anywhere.

Choosing to ignore statistics doesn't mean they don't exist. Unless the numerical data was wrong, you haven't discredited anything. The facts are what they are.

257 posted on 01/08/2004 5:32:30 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: snopercod
Not for those who had the misfortune of watching Dan Rather...from what I understand he was talking over it and saying "the votes are certified for Bush as the Republican secretary of state Katherine Harris sees it and decrees it."
258 posted on 01/08/2004 5:34:42 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
Apparently you feel you're entitled to your own set of facts. Is that a Kentucky thing? What was it that my hero Steve Spurrier said when the library at UK burned down? "Now what are they going to do with all those coloring books?"
259 posted on 01/08/2004 5:37:18 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: ClintonBeGone
Ok. Go back to your boss at the Betty Caster campaign and tell her you need a more complete education on elections before she sends you again to do battle with adults.

I realize this was in response to a remark you probably found to be innappropriate, but that aside, dismissing JohnnyZ's political analysis on this or other races as kids stuff is absurd. He knows his politics.

260 posted on 01/08/2004 5:38:54 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat; JohnnyZ
I realize this was in response to a remark you probably found to be innappropriate, but that aside, dismissing JohnnyZ's political analysis on this or other races as kids stuff is absurd. He knows his politics.

I think you're being ignorant. Johnnyz is a fraud. Not only was his analysis completely wrong and dismissed, he tried to scam us all by posting results for less than Harris's entire congressional district. That's not knowing your politics. That's being a fraud.

261 posted on 01/08/2004 5:43:40 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: ClintonBeGone
Apparently you feel you're entitled to your own set of facts.

So Jeb Bush didn't poll better in that district than Harris? The NRCC didn't step in? George W. Bush wasn't elected in 2000, it was 2002?

262 posted on 01/08/2004 5:47:21 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
I rest my case.
263 posted on 01/08/2004 5:56:49 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: Luis Gonzalez
>>>That's funny, don't know how to get out of this one, do you?

LOL There is nothing for me to get out of, Luis. You can spin this anyway you like and reach any convoluted conclusion you want. I could care less. When you get yourself all twisted up like this, you're impossible to talk to and you make yourself look downright foolish.

However, we do agree on one thing. Bush`s plan is not a blanket amnesty proposal, like Reagan's 1986 amnesty deal was. But the Bush proposal is built on handing out pardons and granting illegal aliens, legal status through a backdoor amnesty process. Americans oppose the President's proposals in overwhelming numbers. Every poll I've seen in tha last two days, indicate opposition in the 65%-70% range and that includes the FreeRepublic poll.

264 posted on 01/08/2004 6:01:01 PM PST by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: Republican Wildcat; ClintonBeGone
No no, I am clearly a fraud. That will change. I have decided to re-evaluate all of my analysis in light of the discovery that the United States faked the moon landing. I'm fairly sure now that the numbers will show that the most electable candidate is (you guessed it!) Larry Klayman.
265 posted on 01/08/2004 6:10:02 PM PST by JohnnyZ (I pity the fool who thinks Bush's proposal is the same as amnesty!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
As a possible Presidential candidate.
266 posted on 01/08/2004 6:10:21 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: ClintonBeGone
I think you're being ignorant. Johnnyz is a fraud. Not only was his analysis completely wrong and dismissed, he tried to scam us all by posting results for less than Harris's entire congressional district. That's not knowing your politics. That's being a fraud.

That's really, really stretching it, to say the least. Those other counties' populations are so small compared to the ones cited by JohnnyZ as to be statistically insignificant, but I'll total them up to make you happy and get back with you. Regardless, using that as a basis to discredit what he said is a less than stellar argument, to put it mildly.

267 posted on 01/08/2004 6:23:54 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: JohnnyZ
Actually, I am finding evidence in my research as I speak to support the allegation you are a fraud. You said above the vote totals you gave included 91% of the votes cast. You were wrong. It's about 92%.
268 posted on 01/08/2004 6:30:20 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat; ClintonBeGone
Yes, yes, I am evil, and I fraudulently asked CBG to add up his own midget counties if he wanted them, too.
269 posted on 01/08/2004 6:41:09 PM PST by JohnnyZ (I pity the fool who thinks Bush's proposal is the same as amnesty!)
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To: Republican Wildcat
That's really, really stretching it, to say the least.

Would you say that about the guy that does your bank statements, your mortgage or bags your groceries if he happened to forget to add a couple of things? LOL you Betty Castor fans are hysterical.

270 posted on 01/08/2004 6:56:52 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: JohnnyZ
I'm fairly sure now that the numbers will show that the most electable candidate is (you guessed it!) Larry Klayman.

Failure to disclose all the facts relevant to a discussion + Larry Klayman = Johnnyz? You be the judge.

271 posted on 01/08/2004 6:58:29 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis, between you holding off Reagan Man while I bounce JohnnyZ and the cat off each other. I feel like we're taking on the three stooges. LOL Glad you got my back!
272 posted on 01/08/2004 7:01:15 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: ClintonBeGone
Alrighty, here's the breakdown of those counties:

Manatee*:

Harris (R) 53,371, 56%; Schneider (D) 41,903, 44%
Bush (R) 60,544, 60%; McBride (D) 40,083, 40%

*A small portion of Manatee county is not included in Harris's district, so the total votes cast in the governor's race are slightly higher. However, it is telling that with a smaller voter pool, Harris' opponent outpolled Bush's by nearly 2,000 votes here.

Sarasota:
Harris (R) 73,680, 54%; Schneider (D) 63,931, 46%
Bush (R) 82,318, 60%; McBride (D) 55,503, 40%

Desoto:
Harris (R) 3,955, 55%; Schneider (D) 3,187, 45%
Bush (R) 3,951, 55%; McBride (D) 3,212, 45%

Hardee:
Harris (R) 3,267, 62%; Schneider (D) 2,000, 38%
Bush (R) 3,145, 59%; McBride (D) 2,182, 41%

A very small part of Charlotte County is in Harris' district:

Harris (R) 4,755, 56%; Schneider (D) 3,718 44%

Countywide, Bush got 36,385 (63%) to McBride's 22,540 (37%). Can't really use this for a comparison, though, because the county as a whole may be more Republican than the portion in Harris' district.

Anyway, that's the data...you can double check my stats and math if you wish. http://election.dos.state.fl.us/

That data from Sarasota County especially concerns me. She would need to do better there in a statewide race than that to counter Broward and Palm Beach.
273 posted on 01/08/2004 7:32:47 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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By the way, here's a map of the Congressional District:

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/maps/Congress/2002/map.asp?map=13
274 posted on 01/08/2004 7:34:07 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Reagan Man
I don't remember PresReagan coming out in support of PresBush`s proposal and for good reason.

While I don't support President Bush's proposal myself, this isn't a strong argument against it, I must say.

275 posted on 01/08/2004 7:35:44 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: ClintonBeGone
Would you say that about the guy that does your bank statements, your mortgage or bags your groceries if he happened to forget to add a couple of things?

Hardly comparable. C'mon, let's be serious about this. We can joke around on the ZOT threads.

276 posted on 01/08/2004 7:40:15 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
Hardly comparable. C'mon, let's be serious about this. We can joke around on the ZOT threads.

I am serious. You and your pal Jonnyz foul up the thread trashing Katherine Harris with these expert numbers and then I find out that Jonnyz' been playing Broward County and fudging the election results. You think a candidate would go for lopping off the election results of 20% of their district? Then you ask me to respect Jonny for his political and election expertise? Ha. In my opinion he's a nothing who has infested this thread with bogus claims, unsupported theories and fraudulent numbers. Is this who you want to be in bed with here?

277 posted on 01/08/2004 7:48:06 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: ClintonBeGone
You think a candidate would go for lopping off the election results of 20% of their district?

Now you are just lying.

278 posted on 01/08/2004 7:51:07 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
Thank you for posting the results. However, the statistics we compare (AGAIN) are President Bush's 2000 (%)results layed over Harris (%)results in her district in her 2002 race. We do this to disprove the theory that she would be a drag on GWB in 2004. Forget Jeb Bush, forget McBride. The trashing of Katherine Harris has been camoflaged behind this fear she'll harm GWB. It's not the case and the numbers bear that out.
279 posted on 01/08/2004 7:52:58 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: Republican Wildcat
Now you are just lying.

Lying? You yourself looked at the results. How many counties did Jonnyz 'forget' to include?

280 posted on 01/08/2004 7:54:00 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: Republican Wildcat
You know what? I find I'm wasting a lot of time and going nowhere with you. We don't have a very productive chemistry. Feel free to say hi to me from time to time, but I think I'm done for the night here.
281 posted on 01/08/2004 7:55:27 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: ClintonBeGone
In my opinion he's a nothing who has infested this thread with bogus claims, unsupported theories and fraudulent numbers.

His theories are supported by accurate numbers. Your opinions are based on neither, and your 20% comment indicates you are either lying through your teeth or are commenting on things you have not bothered to research, which is no more honest. In either case, this discussion is over. Your side of the discussion is not serious, and thus any further discussion with you is a waste of my time. Good day.

282 posted on 01/08/2004 7:56:58 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
Now you are just lying.

Duh . . .

283 posted on 01/08/2004 7:57:40 PM PST by JohnnyZ (I pity the fool who thinks Bush's proposal is the same as amnesty!)
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To: JohnnyZ
I probably shouldn't have delved down to that low of a level in the discussion, but I don't think being called a fraud is any less insulting or demeaning. If he was trying to get on my nerves he has succeeded.

I posted the raw vote totals for all to see and still he insists those counties not being included were some huge deal and meant you were trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Heck, they even validate your percentages and you are still being called a fraud. I mean, one can have a different opinion based on the same data for political analysis, but to simply sit back and say "You're lying about the numbers" when you aren't doesn't exactly indicate his motivation was an honest discussion of the facts.

Maybe I'm wrong and we were all just miscommunicating, but reading back over the posts I don't see that. I don't recall ever getting into this kind of a conflict with this poster or him having a reputation for doing that, though, so this discussion is quite puzzling.

Anyway...I try to avoid carrying conflicts over to other threads, so perhaps the next meeting with CBG won't be so confrontational.
284 posted on 01/08/2004 8:24:57 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Sloth
Good Lord, that is one sexy woman!!!! I hear she's married though...oh well;)
285 posted on 01/08/2004 9:15:02 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Republican Wildcat
Maybe I'm wrong and we were all just miscommunicating

Nope. There was some one-sided something-or-other on someone's side. No names, no blame, of course.

286 posted on 01/08/2004 9:28:35 PM PST by JohnnyZ (I pity the fool who thinks Bush's proposal is the same as amnesty!)
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To: Republican Wildcat
>>>While I don't support President Bush's proposal myself, this isn't a strong argument against it, I must say.

LOL I didn't use it as an argument for opposing the Bush proposal. It was strictly a rhetorical comeback, against a desperate and convoluted personal attack. You took it out of context.

287 posted on 01/08/2004 9:44:32 PM PST by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: JulieRNR21
Thanks, Julie. Interesting.
288 posted on 01/08/2004 10:30:48 PM PST by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: HostileTerritory
I never said he wouldn't be. He's only 39. Give him time. I think he'll end up serving as governor after being in the Senate for 12 years or so. He'll be able to run for president then. He'd make a good VP in the future, no doubt. Judd Gregg would, too.
290 posted on 01/09/2004 6:40:49 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("Howard Dean is incontrovertible proof that God is on Bush's side in the 2004 election"- Dick Morris)
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To: Bush Cheney
"Texas Senator Kay Hutchison has reportedly advised her republican counterpart to "Go for it!"

Thus emphasizing that Kay Bailey is more a RINO than we'd like.

More to the point, could Katherine Harris run for Senate here in TEXAS?
We need a Senator with, how shall I put it? - "Huevos?"

291 posted on 01/09/2004 7:09:50 AM PST by Redbob (now to find a cure for global whining...)
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To: Reagan Man
The magic number is 60!

That's sad...and pathetic...but true.

292 posted on 01/09/2004 5:48:49 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: zbigreddogz
BS...people love her here. If she runs...she WILL win.
293 posted on 01/09/2004 5:51:31 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: MindBender26
The Prez needs more votes than the Republicans. He needs the undecides, and sorry to say, right now, Katherine drives them away in droves. Give her time, and she can win a Senate race, but in this Presidential year, it is poison for everyone.

Who are you...Dick Morris? This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Bush will win Florida...because it's a growing conservative state. Look at the trends for the last few elections.

294 posted on 01/09/2004 6:03:46 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Bush Cheney
I dont know much about this women but she sure does look good in that pic with the horse
295 posted on 01/09/2004 6:08:46 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: Republican Wildcat
That data from Sarasota County especially concerns me. She would need to do better there in a statewide race than that to counter Broward and Palm Beach.

What? So in your eyes she needs to score 60 to her opponents 40 to win. Hogwash. She'll carry the state because most of the state is conservative, AND conservatives vote. People are making far to many assumptions about polarizing the lazy Dems that don't vote. BTW, screw Broward and Palm Beach, they won't be able to pull their cheating crap again this year. The vote tallies will be more realistic this time.

296 posted on 01/09/2004 6:23:11 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope
Who are you...Dick Morris? This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Bush will win Florida...because it's a growing conservative state. Look at the trends for the last few elections.

Sorry, but it's RealPolitic.

Here are some realities.

Jeb should have walked over McBride, a lawyer who had never run for office before and realty didn'y want the job. It was much too close.

Pres is not a great public speaker, campaigner.

Media will help tighten race. They want close race to public will watch coverage and candidates will have to buy ads.

There have been experienced, skilled Dem operatives here since April.

Elections are about getting out the base vote, but more importantly, converting the middle 20%. Mz Harris would mobilize BOTH bases, AND drive away the middle ground. Never run a canaidate who moblizes the other side's base. Ask B-1 Bob Dornan.

When asking about someone like Mz Harris, don't ask our Conservative friends, ask the middle 20%.

Sorry, but not this time, not on a reminder tcket with the Prez.

His reelection is too important to be put at risk by the persoal needs of an 11 month Congresswoman. Personally, I love her, but as a Sen candidate, not now. Later, in an off year, she wins with 54%, but not now.

297 posted on 01/10/2004 4:50:15 AM PST by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, stay tuned to your local FReeper Network station)
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To: I got the rope; MindBender26
Who are you...Dick Morris? This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Bump for 'wisdom' and silly theories.

298 posted on 01/13/2004 7:33:42 AM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: MindBender26; ClintonBeGone
Jeb should have walked over McBride, a lawyer who had never run for office before and realty didn'y want the job. It was much too close.

56% to 43.2% is too close for you. LOL.

Pres is not a great public speaker, campaigner.

Hmmm. Let's see. He did win in 2000 didn't he? He also won in Texas twice. That in itself is amazing, because governors don't last very long in Texas. KH won statewide in Florida with nearly 54% in 98. What she did in 2000 is only going to help her based on the voting data for current Republicans. Take a look at the Florida Legislature...how many are dems and how many are republicans. This state is Republican and the only way she is going to lose is if a she is beaten in the primary by a more conservative Republican. Methinks she should come out against the anti-gun nuts and solidify her base voters. She needs to grab this conservative cause to "protect the women of Florida". Conservatives will flock to her like ants on honey.

Media will help tighten race. They want close race to public will watch coverage and candidates will have to buy ads.

Sure did work for McBride and Reno...didn't it? The media is overrated. Talk radio is working to their disadvantage.

Elections are about getting out the base vote, but more importantly, converting the middle 20%. Mz Harris would mobilize BOTH bases, AND drive away the middle ground. Never run a canaidate who moblizes the other side's base. Ask B-1 Bob Dornan.

20%...that is a demonrat pipedream. No way that is true by looking at the data. 53% to 54% of voters are republicans or conservative democrats. Bob Dornan btw was gerrymandered out I believe. He ran against a hispanic woman in a heavily hispanic district. There is no comparison.

299 posted on 01/13/2004 8:33:55 AM PST by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope; MindBender26
Thank you. Notice Mindbender is backing away from his prediction that she wont run; instead he's telling us all the reasons she SHOULDN'T run. Don't worry Mind, I promise to eat my words if you're right, but you wont be. She's in.
300 posted on 01/13/2004 9:03:29 AM PST by ClintonBeGone
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