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Siberian Graveyard's Secret (More Redheads)
International Herald Tribune ^ | 1-8-2003

Posted on 01/08/2004 9:41:32 AM PST by blam

Siberian Graveyard's Secrets

YEKATERINBURG, Russia In a medieval Siberian graveyard a few miles south of the Arctic Circle, Russian scientists have unearthed mummies roughly 1,000 years old, clad in copper masks, hoops and plates - burial rites that archaeologists say they have never seen before. .

Among 34 shallow graves were five mummies shrouded in copper and blankets of reindeer, beaver, wolverine or bear fur. Unlike the remains of Egyptian pharaohs, the scientists say, the Siberian bodies were mummified by accident. The cold, dry permafrost preserved the remains, and the copper may have helped prevent oxidation. .

The discovery adds to the evidence that Siberia was not an isolated wasteland but a crossroads of international trade and cultural diversity, Natalia Fedorova of the Ural branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences said in an interview in her office in this central Russian city. Among the artifacts discovered at the site were bronze bowls from Persia, dated by style from the 10th or 11th century. .

William Fitzhugh, chairman of the department of anthropology and director of the Arctic Studies Center at the Smithsonian, who in 1997 took part in the first expedition to the site, said the findings filled "a gap we really need to know a lot about." .

The medieval cemetery, named Zeleniy Yar after a nearby village, is at the base of a peninsula called "the end of the earth" by the native Nenets people.
Archaeological surveys in 1976 uncovered ceramic remains suggesting an ancient settlement. On the 1997
expedition, Fedorova, Fitzhugh and their colleagues dug up a male in a wooden coffin with an iron combat knife, a silver medallion and a bronze bird figurine, from the seventh to ninth century. .

Later digs turned up still more graves. Eleven of the 34 remains had shattered or missing skulls and chopped skeletons. This may have been done right after death, "to render protection from mysterious spells believed to emanate from the deceased," Fedorova said in a report, or it may have been a result of ancient grave robbing. .

Another researcher, Dmitri Razhev, said that added evidence of what contemporary societies of the area consider "protective magic" include leather straps wrapped tightly around the bodies, as well as beads or chains and humanoid or birdlike bronze figures broken into pieces at the time of burial. .

The legs of the dead all point toward the nearby Gorny Poluy River, a position that Fedorova said might have had religious significance. Nearly all the graves have traces of coffins made of logs or boat parts. Several were apparently warriors buried with iron knives; others apparently died in battle, as suggested by arrowheads lodged in eye sockets and stab wounds in their backs. .

In 2000, the archaeologists found their first copper-shrouded mummy, a child with a face masked by copper plates. Three more copper-masked infant mummies were found in 2001, each bound with four or five copper hoops two inches wide. In the remains of a metalworking shop, the researchers excavated a wooden sarcophagus with the best-preserved mummy of all, a red-haired man covered chest to foot in copper plate and laid out with an iron hatchet, well-preserved furs and a bronze bear's head buckle. .

The researchers are continuing digs on another Siberian settlement south and west of Zeleniy Yar. .

Niels Lynnerup, director of the Laboratory of Biological Anthropology at the University of Copenhagen, who is not connected with the research, said in a telephone interview that the findings were remarkable.
"Archaeology is most important in those places where you don't have good written records," Lynnerup said. "So here, archaeology is terribly important." .

He added: "Often we find skeletons and nothing else. Here we have not only very detailed human remains, but excellent preservation of all their materials." .


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1 posted on 01/08/2004 9:41:35 AM PST by blam
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2 posted on 01/08/2004 9:44:58 AM PST by donozark
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3 posted on 01/08/2004 9:45:39 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Freepers post from sun to sun, but a fundraiser bot's work is never done.)
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To: farmfriend; RightWhale
Another article about other red-headed mummies.

The Curse Of The Red-Headed Mummy

Also, I read recently that the incident of red-headedness in Libya is the same as it is in Ireland. (strange)

4 posted on 01/08/2004 9:46:39 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
So, this would have happened during the Medieval Warm Period, when the Vikings' SUV's triggered global warming?
5 posted on 01/08/2004 9:51:28 AM PST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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To: blam; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; abner; Alas Babylon!; Andyman; annyokie; bd476; BiffWondercat; ...
Gods, Graves, Glyphs
List for articles regarding early civilizations , life of all forms, - dinosaurs - etc.

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6 posted on 01/08/2004 9:54:30 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
What about Phoenicians? Any red-heads among them?
7 posted on 01/08/2004 9:55:07 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: blam
My daughter has a red-headed mummy. :)
8 posted on 01/08/2004 9:58:25 AM PST by Constitution Day (Iraqi blogger to President Bush: "The bones in the mass graves salute you, Avenger of the Bones.")
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To: colorado tanker
"So, this would have happened during the Medieval Warm Period, when the Vikings' SUV's triggered global warming?"

Apparently they've been there for a while.

Early Hominids In Siberia?(300,00 years)

"Diring Yuriakh was discovered in 1982 by Russian archaeologist Yuri Mochanov, who has argued that it is 1.8 to 3.2 million years old.--ANDREW L. SLAYMAN "

9 posted on 01/08/2004 9:59:56 AM PST by blam
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To: RightWhale
"What about Phoenicians? Any red-heads among them?"

I've read here on FR from FReepers that Phoencian is a Greek word that means 'red-headed.'

10 posted on 01/08/2004 10:01:50 AM PST by blam
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To: Constitution Day
It took me a minute!!
11 posted on 01/08/2004 10:05:26 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Constitution Day
"My daughter has a red-headed mummy. :)"

Hmmmm.

Redheads 'Are Neanderthals'

12 posted on 01/08/2004 10:05:41 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
When those Celts finally got to the rain-soaked bogs, they must have thought they were in Heaven...
13 posted on 01/08/2004 10:08:58 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: blam
Too funny!!

I rememeber sending Mrs. CD the link to that very thread just before I signed up here at FR.

14 posted on 01/08/2004 10:09:33 AM PST by Constitution Day (Iraqi blogger to President Bush: "The bones in the mass graves salute you, Avenger of the Bones.")
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To: Constitution Day
"remember", even.
15 posted on 01/08/2004 10:10:25 AM PST by Constitution Day (Iraqi blogger to President Bush: "The bones in the mass graves salute you, Avenger of the Bones.")
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To: blam
Also, I read recently that the incident of red-headedness in Libya is the same as it is in Ireland. (strange)

I think the native (pre-Arabic) language of North Africa is related to Gaelic and Breton.

Some proto-Celts probably wound up in N. Africa.

16 posted on 01/08/2004 10:10:44 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble
"When those Celts finally got to the rain-soaked bogs, they must have thought they were in Heaven..."

2,000 year old Bog People

17 posted on 01/08/2004 10:13:29 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
The name comes from the same root as phoenix, the bird that is reborn in fire. Ever wonder how the Phoenicians came to be called that? Wouldn't have anything to do with surviving a volcanic eruption, would it?
18 posted on 01/08/2004 10:16:04 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Jim Noble
"Some proto-Celts probably wound up in N. Africa."

I've read that at one time all of North Africa and the Middle-East was dominated by blonde and red-headed people. I don't know.

They may have been related to the Gaunches on the Canary Islands too.

19 posted on 01/08/2004 10:19:05 AM PST by blam
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To: RightWhale
"Wouldn't have anything to do with surviving a volcanic eruption, would it?"

I'm the only one allowed to make wild unfounded speculations on this thread, lol. Could be?

20 posted on 01/08/2004 10:21:19 AM PST by blam
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To: RightWhale
Archaeologists Mistake 1940s Patio For Viking Village

"After all our efforts you can imagine how silly we felt."

21 posted on 01/08/2004 10:44:01 AM PST by blam
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To: farmfriend
Add me please. Thanks
22 posted on 01/08/2004 10:50:00 AM PST by Textide
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To: Textide
Consider yourself added. If you ever change your mind, or I get you on the wrong list, just let me know.
23 posted on 01/08/2004 10:52:30 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
bttt
24 posted on 01/08/2004 10:52:49 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: blam
I'm the only one allowed to make wild unfounded speculations

Could these be the same guys that showed up in CA and NV and terrorized the locals for a few years? Or part of "The Red Headed Mummy Curse"?

25 posted on 01/08/2004 11:00:03 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Proud member - Neoconservative Power Vortex)
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To: blam
I guess the area's been popular for a long time.

"Oh, show me round your snow-peaked mountains way down south, Take me to your daddy's farm, Let me hear your balalaikas ringing out, Come and keep your comrade warm."

26 posted on 01/08/2004 11:02:43 AM PST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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To: Mike Darancette
Probably related somewhere way back...
27 posted on 01/08/2004 11:04:14 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Eleven of the 34 remains had shattered or missing skulls and chopped skeletons

This may have been due to canabalism which was not unhear of in Asia. [Kuru, a prion disease [like mad cow] among humans in New Guinea, is spread by eating brain material from other humans.]

28 posted on 01/08/2004 11:24:25 AM PST by curmudgeonII (On a winter's day, like this, I don't need much more information from Siberia.)
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To: Constitution Day
I had a red-headed mummy!
29 posted on 01/08/2004 12:28:05 PM PST by EggsAckley
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To: curmudgeonII
" [Kuru, a prion disease [like mad cow] among humans in New Guinea, is spread by eating brain material from other humans.]"

Yup. They thought that by eating the brains of their dead that they could retain the wisdom, etc. of that person.

30 posted on 01/08/2004 4:01:38 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Have you ever seen any follow-up info on the ''Early Hominids in Siberia?'' article?
31 posted on 01/08/2004 5:17:24 PM PST by elli1
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To: elli1
You may like this thread about Siberia posted in July, click here.
32 posted on 01/08/2004 5:25:06 PM PST by blam
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To: Professional Engineer
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33 posted on 01/08/2004 8:33:10 PM PST by msdrby (US Veterans: All give some, but some give all.)
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To: blam
the incident of red-headedness in Libya is the same as it is in Ireland. (strange)

Berbers.

Remember that North Africa was invaded by Arabs and already had an indegeonous population that is/was Caucasian.

34 posted on 01/08/2004 8:33:30 PM PST by happygrl
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To: happygrl
"Remember that North Africa was invaded by Arabs and already had an indegeonous population that is/was Caucasian.

Who were these Caucasians?

35 posted on 01/08/2004 9:20:16 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
I've read here on FR from FReepers that Phoencian is a Greek word that means 'red-headed.'

In the bible, the children of Esau (a redhead) are called "Edom" which is Hebrew for red. You find a fair number of Jews with red hair.

36 posted on 01/08/2004 9:36:45 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: blam
Right on!

Oh, this is interesting...

37 posted on 01/08/2004 9:40:25 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: ChicagoHebrew
"You find a fair number of Jews with red hair."

I suspected as much. I read that some people believe the Northern Tribes were proto-Celtics...what is your 'take' on that?

38 posted on 01/08/2004 9:52:03 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
I suspected as much. I read that some people believe the Northern Tribes were proto-Celtics...what is your 'take' on that?

Absolute total garbage. There is no genetic or linguistic connection between Jews and Celtics.

I believe the Northern Tribes mostly settled in Afganistan/Kurdistan/Pakistan. There are strong linguistic, genetic, and cultural matches between Jews and Parthans (and other groups) in Afganistan/Pakistan. Genetically, Kurds are the closest people to Jews in the world. The remainder of the Norhtern Tribes either returned and assimilated into Judah, or dispersed throughout the nations.

39 posted on 01/08/2004 10:15:35 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: blam
Also, I read recently that the incident of red-headedness in Libya is the same as it is in Ireland. (strange)

The Vikings were EVERYWHERE.

40 posted on 01/08/2004 10:20:11 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: ChicagoHebrew
"Genetically, Kurds are the closest people to Jews in the world."

Isn't the area of the present day Kurds the area where the Assyrians took the Northern Tribes...I think Mosul is the same as Nineveh(sp). Your ideas?

41 posted on 01/08/2004 10:29:37 PM PST by blam
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
"The Vikings were EVERYWHERE."

Nah, who-ever were the red-headed folks, they infiltrated the Vikings too.

42 posted on 01/08/2004 10:31:01 PM PST by blam
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Origin Of The Kurds

"Modern-day Kurds themselves trace their origin to the Medes, an Indo-European tribe that descented from Central Asia into the Iranian plateau around 614 B.C. as one of the principal pre-isramic iranian dynasties."

Wasn't it around 614BC that the Assyrians took the Northern Tribes captive and moved them into this area?

43 posted on 01/08/2004 10:47:24 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Isn't the area of the present day Kurds the area where the Assyrians took the Northern Tribes...I think Mosul is the same as Nineveh(sp). Your ideas?

It's the same general area. I haven't heard that Ninevah is Mosul, but I wouldn't be suprised.

The genetic connections between Kurds and Jews are strong-- but Kurdish bares no relation to Hebrew or Aramaic, and you don't find many cultural markers linking the two groups. So I personally think it's more likely that the genetic connection arises because Kurds originate from the same area as Abraham-- i.e. Abraham was likely a proto-Kurd before he became the first Hebrew.

Still, given the genetics, it's far more likely that the Kurds would be descended from the "lost" tribes than the Celts or any Europeans.

44 posted on 01/08/2004 10:49:46 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: blam
Wasn't it around 614BC that the Assyrians took the Northern Tribes captive and moved them into this area?

Yeah, about that time exactly.

45 posted on 01/08/2004 10:50:42 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: blam
Oh... might as well add that my parental grandfather (origin Southern Russia) and my maternal great-uncle (origin Belarus) both have red hair. I think I and my brother wound up with recessive genes-- we've got brown hair (mine's darker than his) but grow reddish beards.
46 posted on 01/08/2004 10:57:17 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Are Kurds Descended from the Medes?
47 posted on 01/08/2004 11:06:26 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; SunkenCiv
Blam! you scoundrel!
Why wasn't I pinged?
48 posted on 01/08/2004 11:07:52 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: ChicagoHebrew
"Oh... might as well add that my parental grandfather (origin Southern Russia) and my maternal great-uncle (origin Belarus) both have red hair."

So, where did you get your red-headed genes?

Maybe from some of the folks in the article below?

The Curse Of The Red-Headed Mummy

(They were all over Russia and Belarus in ancient times)Ref: Victor Mair, The Tarim Mummies.

49 posted on 01/08/2004 11:12:29 PM PST by blam
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To: ValerieUSA; farmfriend
"Blam! you scoundrel!"

"Why wasn't I pinged?"

LOL! Hey, we have delegated responsibilities around here. FReeper 'farmfriend' is in charge of the ping list. Please ask her to put you on the GGG ping list.

50 posted on 01/08/2004 11:16:05 PM PST by blam
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