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Bush's Ridiculous Speech About Immigration Reform
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Posted on 01/08/2004 1:10:01 PM PST by Happy2BMe

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To: AmericanInTokyo
"There is a WHOLE SLEW of things this retarded crew in the White House never considered before they went ahead with this."

I could write ten pages here on this but nobody would read it.....maybe you would:)


51 posted on 01/08/2004 2:26:54 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
""those who came illegally should have no more benefit over those that came through legally." There's a blaring inequity right there!


Beyond belief!!
52 posted on 01/08/2004 2:28:40 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: em2vn
so many of us warned of this four years ago about Bush on FREE REPUBLIC, that he would turn out to be one big RINO with a Conservative veneer. yep, "compassionate" conservatism. and he sure hasn't disappointed us in that regard. all the while, all we got from Bushbots at that time was "you gotta vote GOP! you gotta vote GOP! you gotta vote GOP!"

balderdash (for next time). we don't gotta do anything, 'cept vote patriot and vote our consciences, next time out.

i for one will not soon forget 7 January 2004

53 posted on 01/08/2004 2:28:43 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I argue as passionately on FR against ILLEGAL ALIENS as I would if Gore, not Bush were President.)
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To: Happy2BMe
GWB to USA: "Read my lips. No more illegals."
54 posted on 01/08/2004 2:28:53 PM PST by Visalia
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To: international american
I could write ten pages here on this but nobody would read it.....maybe you would:)

And the names they would call you, too! Sometimes it's best to just keep your opinions to yourself around here.

55 posted on 01/08/2004 2:29:14 PM PST by kevao
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To: Support Free Republic
I've got a proposal for Limbaugh and Hannity.

The next time you have a caller on the phone who thinks it's alright for these illegals to keep comming into this country, interrupt them after they have spoken only a few words. Then ask them to hang on while you take a call that just came in. When you return to them, repeat what you have just done and keep interrupting them and asking them to hang on while you take a call that just came in.

When they finally get pissed off and start letting you know about it, you can simply say "oh, I didn't think you had a problem with people jumping to the front of the line."

56 posted on 01/08/2004 2:30:07 PM PST by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: Happy2BMe
I wonder how we find the funding to enforce our current immigration laws? How much would cost to protect the thousand of miles of boarders between Canada and Mexico and all of our coastline?

I'm also curious as to how the American farming industry would recover from the major wage increases it would face when it had to pay average citizens higher wages plus benefits. Then of course I'm hoping someone could explain to me what would prevent the average consumer from turning away from expensive American produce when they could just purchase produce grown from some other country that would cost 1/3 to 1/2 less than the American grown produce????
57 posted on 01/08/2004 2:31:20 PM PST by Tempest
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To: Happy2BMe
Tom Tancredo IN ACTION !

Tom Tancredo is America's  "Numero Uno Point Man ! " in Congress on Illegal Immigration !

And a few of those hard working mexicans just working their fingers to the bone

And a super industrious car mechanic hard at it fixing a broken fan belt i bet !


58 posted on 01/08/2004 2:31:49 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Immigrants must adapt not Americans....And illegals must leave and start adapting legally)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Vote for feeble, or vote for evil.......barfmao....check my post on Petronas Towers, vis a vis skyjumping.

Best regards, IA

My condo over there is looking like a full time residence every day:)
59 posted on 01/08/2004 2:31:51 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: Visalia
GWB to USA: "Read my lips. No more illegals."
60 posted on 01/08/2004 2:32:39 PM PST by kevao
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To: Happy2BMe
"Some of the jobs being generated in America's growing economy are jobs American citizens are not filling."

Usually, with capitalism, the more dangerous, hard-to-fill and "undesirable" a job is, the more it pays. If no one here wants to dig ditches, then eventually people who need ditches dug, would pay premium wages...or just do it themselves.

With the fact that these illegals escape to Mexico for a month or so out of the year to escape paying income taxes, is proof enough they are looking for an easy dollar and could give a hoot less about America.

Now, many of the illegals are working at high paying jobs in construction, etc. You can't tell me that if there was an job opening in construction that there isn't an American anywhere who would fill it. The jobs would all get filled, IF the employer would make it worth their while...after all, minimum wage is better than no wage at all.
61 posted on 01/08/2004 2:32:52 PM PST by FrankR
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To: Happy2BMe
Now you understand!

Bush will deal with the illegals and those who fail to register, HARSHLY.

After the enactment of this policy, any remaining illegals will be considered to represent a potential security threat to our great nation.

Here's the plan, but remember, Bush inherited this mess, so while it isn't perfect, it is a great beginning. Follow along:

1. Provide a means for those aliens already working in legitimate jobs for American companies or private families, and who truly deserve an American future, to properly obey and respect our laws, and let us also be kind to their families too. These are the high-profile sympathy cases that could destroy the GOP presidency if lumped in with the worst of the aliens. These hard luck stories will otherwise fill the airwaves, and many GOP and independent voters will feel the legitimate pain and suffering of such refugees. Call them the "Elians";
2. Provide a more efficient means for the next wave of good people to apply legitimately for access before they too become illegals. Call them the "Pre-emptives";
3. Bear down HARD on the remaining illegals, and begin to treat them as that: ILLEGAL. Without remorse and without shame, get rid of them. Call them the "Osamas". For the first time, given the cover of a legitimate and efficient access pathway, THERE WILL BE NO EXCUSE FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR.

So, keep the Elians, work with the Pre-Emptives, and dump the Osamas.

Come now, Freepers, you can get there, if you try.
62 posted on 01/08/2004 2:33:21 PM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: kevao
I don't cower, neither do I engage in trashing the opposition....I try to win minds over by deductive logic....failing that, I am lost.
Best, IA
63 posted on 01/08/2004 2:34:11 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: FrankR
after all, minimum wage is better than no wage at all.

If by "no wage at all" you mean welfare, you might be wrong about that.

64 posted on 01/08/2004 2:35:25 PM PST by kevao
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Thanks ATOMIC_PUNK...keep the pictures coming.
65 posted on 01/08/2004 2:38:23 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: fightu4it; international american
"I've got a proposal for Limbaugh and Hannity. The next time you have a caller on the phone who thinks it's alright for these illegals to keep comming into this country, interrupt them after they have spoken only a few words. Then ask them to hang on while you take a call that just came in. When you return to them, repeat what you have just done and keep interrupting them and asking them to hang on while you take a call that just came in. When they finally get pissed off and start letting you know about it, you can simply say "oh, I didn't think you had a problem with people jumping to the front of the line."

Brilliant Yes, that's it.

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Immigrants, Lining up at US Embassy Overseas in Respect of Our Laws and Order

ILLEGAL Immigrants, Showing No Respect of Our Laws or Order

Now, WHICH ones do YOU respect and which ones should be given "rights." It clear which ones President Bush respects and has compassion for.

66 posted on 01/08/2004 2:40:41 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I argue as passionately on FR against ILLEGAL ALIENS as I would if Gore, not Bush were President.)
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To: All
Wait a minute.

What is this deafening array of yells from our extremists about "the failure to enforce our immigration laws"? What sense does this make from self proclaimed conservatives? How many employers providing work to these illegals are conservatives themselves? Since when did conservatives go begging to government to police themselves? Why are not employers complying with the laws? Are more tax evaders prosecuted than illegals deported? No. Why? Because the majority of Americans try to comply with the law.

This is absurd, this turning to the government to solve problems. Why not contact employers who are inviolation directly? If you have evidence of the violation, submit it to the Immigration service or your Congressman.

This is laughable that conservatives have chosen to look to the government to solve this problem. Aren't we supposed to solve most of our own? Why would conservatives want an expansion of bureaucracy to break into homes in the barrios to ship people with infant US citizens out of the country.

67 posted on 01/08/2004 2:42:08 PM PST by Owen
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To: AmericanInTokyo
It cost me 12,000 and 14 months to get my chinese wife over here. I am an anglo by the way. Also, she has a degree in nursing from a california university. The problem did not emanate from Bejing... it did from HERE!!
68 posted on 01/08/2004 2:45:40 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK; Happy2BMe
And a few of those hard working mexicans just working their fingers to the bone.

That picture of the mexicans hanging around on street corners can't be true...I thought they were all here to do JOBS AMERICANS WONT' DO.

69 posted on 01/08/2004 2:45:53 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: Owen
I think some of us should, just to see what happens, (and only if you see this) call an INS (Dept of Homeland Security Office) and tell them you have seen suspected illegal aliens, and you would like to report it. And what will they do.

In view of the President's speech, I wonder what their response will be.

See how he has screwed things up even more?! I'll bet local law enforcement is wondering, what the heck do we do now with illegals that we catch. Let them go? Refer them to INS? What a crazy situation. Not to mention this,

in the Mexican papers yesterday (top headline) literally inviting even MORE illegal border crossing. Sick.

70 posted on 01/08/2004 2:47:15 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I argue as passionately on FR against ILLEGAL ALIENS as I would if Gore, not Bush were President.)
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To: Happy2BMe
This needs to be hit hard!

Calls and Fax's to our representatives need to be made, but that is not enough.

This is an election year!
I strongly encourage everyone who wants to see this travesty fail to get involved with the formal party structure.

The party depends on it's grassroots organizations.
Most states will be having their county precinct meetings very soon.
If you attend you can submit and vote on items for the party platform.
Attendance may also make you eligible to attend the state party convention, where you get to vote on what stays in the platform.

You see where I am headed here?

The national platform is compiled from the state platforms.
If enough state platforms contain a strong plank against this "amnesty" by that or any other name, the national platform should do the same.
If we can get that plank passed conservatives in congress will have to take note of it, which should insure certain defeat for any amnesty bill.

We must become more active in the party structure in order to move it back toward honest conservatism. This amnesty is not honest, of conservative!

I am tired of being taken for granted, I feel like I am being given a choice between a broken arm and a broken leg, with the party telling me I have to support them no matter what they do in order to avoid two broken legs later!

And yes, I am attending my local republican party precinct meeting tonight.
71 posted on 01/08/2004 2:47:51 PM PST by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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To: Stallone
#1.= Amnesty

#2.= Make it eaiser for them to immigrate.

#3.= See #1.

72 posted on 01/08/2004 2:47:54 PM PST by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: Owen
"Why not contact employers who are inviolation directly? If you have evidence of the violation, submit it to the Immigration service or your Congressman."

You must be joking. The employers know they have nothing to fear, and haven't had for 18 years. You might as well shoot yourself in the foot!!
73 posted on 01/08/2004 2:48:53 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: Owen
>>Why are not employers complying with the laws?

Why should they? When was the last time you saw the head of MArriott or Hilton doing a perp walk for hiring illegals?
74 posted on 01/08/2004 2:50:29 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I have no compassion or respect for those who break the law.
75 posted on 01/08/2004 2:50:38 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: Richard-SIA
Good.

And, if you have a GOP Congressman, call his/her office in a neutral tone, and ask what his position is on the President's immigration plan. If waffling or positive, give 'em the shaft, if opposed, tell them you will get EVERY ONE OF YOUR VOTING FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO RETURN THEM TO CAPITOL HILL ON ACCOUNT OF IT.

Not only political platforms (which mean nothing when it comes to policy) but also the reelection fortunes of the congresscritters. Key.

76 posted on 01/08/2004 2:50:53 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I argue as passionately on FR against ILLEGAL ALIENS as I would if Gore, not Bush were President.)
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To: Owen
Ever try to turn in an illegal? Ever try to call the cops when you witnessed phony ss and dl lic? You are the criminal, and you are under scrutiny.
77 posted on 01/08/2004 2:51:14 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Illegal, what does it mean....to me it means Illegal, to Bush and friends it means something else.....I voted for George and likely will again but this is about as bad as it gets.....Illegal is illegal.
78 posted on 01/08/2004 2:51:28 PM PST by JamesA (Stand up, stand together or die as one.)
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To: Blzbba
Amen. Principles over Party.
Too many people here seem to give Bush
a blank-check/endorsement of anything the man does,
simply because he's Republican or because he's
"not Clinton". Meanwhile, Bush's increased
gov't spending and size increases
make him less & less of a fiscal conservative.

Amen again there Blzbba !
The similarities between Clintonoids
and BushBots , here ,
has been Hilarious at times !
I've pointed it out a time or two myself ,
only to be hooted at by the NeoCons here .

......THUNDER.....

79 posted on 01/08/2004 2:51:54 PM PST by THUNDER ROAD
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Not sick...immoral.
80 posted on 01/08/2004 2:52:08 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: hunter112
I've posted in the past that I believe there should be a "guest worker" program

We already have 4 types of guest worker program's and one of them is for agricultural. That is why this whole deal bunk.

81 posted on 01/08/2004 2:52:15 PM PST by org.whodat (Someone turn Bush over he's done.)
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To: theFIRMbss
>>To my eyes, by far,
most immigrants are decent
and play by the rules.
<<

You mean most *illegal* immigrants play by the rules? Is this what you mean? Surely I'm misunderstanding.
82 posted on 01/08/2004 2:55:24 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: Richard-SIA
"And yes, I am attending my local republican party precinct meeting tonight."

I await a full report (honestly).

The timing is perfect - please let us know what the general consensus on this is.

Grass roots BUMP!

84 posted on 01/08/2004 2:57:17 PM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: international american
"Ever try to turn in an illegal? Ever try to call the cops when you witnessed phony ss and dl lic? You are the criminal, and you are under scrutiny."

I know what you mean but the truth of the matter is that the County Sheriff is the highest law officer within any given county. If he doesn't arrest illegals and hold them until the INS comes and picks them up, he is negligent in his duties as sheriff. The residents of the county should demand that he do his duty.

85 posted on 01/08/2004 3:00:39 PM PST by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: international american
What has any of this to do with the abject failure of conservatism to solve the problem. Saying . . . I can't turn anyone in because then I am suspected of being a criminal . . . that's just further looking to the government to solve a problem.

There is no escaping this. Our extremists are posturing in self righteous anger because, while they spend most of their time posting about their distaste for government action, they didn't hear Bush announce a greater magnitude of government action.

Think of how absurd this logic is.

86 posted on 01/08/2004 3:00:40 PM PST by Owen
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To: RolandBurnam
A great speech, a great idea, a great president.
87 posted on 01/08/2004 3:01:26 PM PST by zook
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To: RolandBurnam
I think this is a master stroke... might win new mexico, arizona and give him a chance in caleeeforneea ... at least he is on offense!

On the contrary, it reminds me of the final years of the Roman Empire, which increasingly relied on non-Romans. The result will be the same.

88 posted on 01/08/2004 3:02:33 PM PST by arm958
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To: Tempest
I'm also curious as to how the American farming industry would recover from the major wage increases it would face when it had to pay average citizens higher wages plus benefits

A guest farm worker program has been in effect for years. These illegals are not farm workers. Do you really know the issue?

89 posted on 01/08/2004 3:02:57 PM PST by org.whodat (Someone turn Bush over he's done.)
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To: Stallone
>>3. Bear down HARD on the remaining illegals, and begin to treat them as that: ILLEGAL. Without remorse and without shame, get rid of them.<<

Do you honestly think this is the goal, when the laws we ALREADY HAVE are not being enforced? I don't see it happening. Maybe I'm wrong.
90 posted on 01/08/2004 3:04:14 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: arm958
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On the contrary, it reminds me of the final years of the Roman Empire, which increasingly relied on non-Romans. The result will be the same.
>

What does this mean? America by genetic management?
91 posted on 01/08/2004 3:04:44 PM PST by Owen
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To: Owen
Owen, I will presume that you are a decent person. But if you live in California you know damn well what i AM TALKING ABOUT.
92 posted on 01/08/2004 3:06:05 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: Happy2BMe
He lost my vote.
93 posted on 01/08/2004 3:06:40 PM PST by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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To: SerpentDove
> >>3. Bear down HARD on the remaining illegals, and begin to treat them as that: ILLEGAL. Without remorse and without shame, get rid of them.<<

Do you honestly think this is the goal, when the laws we ALREADY HAVE are not being enforced? I don't see it happening. Maybe I'm wrong. >

What does this mean? Is this another outcry at the horror of allowing a human born in the US to be a citizen, as opposed to undoing that law and managing the population on the basis of genetics?

This would trash all respect for US territoriatlity. Humans born here are Americans. Shipping Americans south and condemning them to 3rd world care is as unAmerican a thing as can be imagined.

Way too many people here are trying to elect a Democrat.

94 posted on 01/08/2004 3:07:48 PM PST by Owen
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To: Happy2BMe; Spiff
No, our immigration laws don't work or make us proud. You know why? Because we don't make an effort to enforce them. It's like telling your kid to clean his room, having him watch TV instead, and then having him look you in the eye and say, "you know the system we're using to get my room cleaned up just isn't working".

Excellent analogy. Using an abundance of words, Bush essentially backed down from enforcing the law (current visa requirements).

95 posted on 01/08/2004 3:08:24 PM PST by The_Eaglet
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To: AmericanInTokyo
>> I'll bet local law enforcement is wondering, what the heck do we do now with illegals that we catch.<<

I don't know what it's like where you live, but local law enforcement here is actually prohibited from getting involved with immigration issues. They can pull someone over who is an illegal, and cannot report them to INS. I kid you not.

This is absolute insanity. Anyone who says that the laws are being enforced doesn't know what they are talking about.
96 posted on 01/08/2004 3:10:24 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: PuNcH
bravo
97 posted on 01/08/2004 3:11:36 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Happy2BMe
"Pandering at the expense of security".

-- Michael Savage

98 posted on 01/08/2004 3:12:27 PM PST by sigarms
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
In other words, the
we are getting here is based on the
we got a long time ago!

Great post, now I see how some here in Nevada can contend that the
that Nevada got when the Lincoln administration made Nevada's surrender of her public lands a condition of statehood is constitutional.

They simply engage in the same sort of selective memory you have illustrated.
99 posted on 01/08/2004 3:13:43 PM PST by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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To: Richard-SIA
Thanks for info.
100 posted on 01/08/2004 3:14:38 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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