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N.J. 'smart gun' research may get $1.1 million boost
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Jan. 07, 2004 | Steve Strunsky (AP)

Posted on 01/08/2004 3:37:50 PM PST by neverdem

NEWARK - New Jersey-based research to develop safer handguns will get a $1.1 million boost from the federal government if a grant contained in a national spending bill is approved.

Gov. McGreevey joined U.S. Sens. Frank Lautenberg and Jon Corzine and U.S. Rep. Robert Menendez, all New Jersey Democrats, in announcing the grant yesterday. The money is contained in an $800 billion appropriations bill that cleared the House last month and awaits action by the Senate.

The grant would go to the New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark, which has been working on prototype "smart gun" technology.

The money would be earmarked for refinements in the technology, which is being developed with a $1.5 million state grant. That grant jump-started smart-gun research after the Legislature enacted the nation's first smart-gun law.

According to the most recent timetable, New Jersey's smart-gun law could go into effect in five years.

Under the law signed by McGreevey a year ago, smart-gun technology would be required on all new handguns sold in New Jersey three years after the state attorney general certified that smart guns were available in the marketplace.

The technology refers to weapons equipped to be fired only by authorized users. Proponents say such technology would reduce suicides, accidental shootings, and handgun abuses, particularly among children.

The New Jersey Institute of Technology's prototype fails to correctly distinguish between authorized and unauthorized users once every 100 to 1,000 pulls of the trigger, those working on the research say.

Experts at the institute are aiming to reduce the failure rate to 1 in 30,000 pulls, adapt the technology to handguns, and bring smart guns to the marketplace within two years, Timothy Lang, an electrical engineer and professor who is working on the technology, said yesterday.

In addition to securing the state grant, the school has signed agreements with two companies to bring its patented "dynamic grip recognition" technology to marketable weapons. The technology uses sensors mounted in a gun's handle to recognize an authorized user's grip.

Other manufacturers are likely working on their own versions of smart guns.

"Every day, a million children live and play in homes where there are loaded guns that they have access to," said Menendez, who inserted the grant into the federal spending bill.

There is no federal requirement for smart-gun technology, and New Jersey is the only state to have approved a smart-gun law, said Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association in Washington.

The NRA opposes the New Jersey law, Arulanandam said, because of what it regards as bugs in smart-gun technology.


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KEYWORDS: antigun; bang; banglist; guncontrol; hiddenagenda; smartgun; smartguntechnology
The US taxpayer should not be subsidizing technology that law enforcement agencies will reject. New Jersey has to inflict its loony obsession on the rest of the country.
1 posted on 01/08/2004 3:37:51 PM PST by neverdem
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2 posted on 01/08/2004 3:39:33 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: neverdem
Even if you could snap your fingers and invent perfect technlogy - how long would it take to penetrate the marketplace 100% - 80 years? I would look to anti-gunners to insist that all non-smart guns be turned in as soon as the allegedly smart ones hit the market.
3 posted on 01/08/2004 3:40:27 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right, never in doubt!)
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To: neverdem
Wouldn't it be better for the person holding the gun to be smart? I never trust any technology to make decisions for me. I trust it only to follow my orders. And with "smart guns," that trust is lost.

That's why I'll never own a "smart gun."
4 posted on 01/08/2004 3:40:46 PM PST by Prime Choice (Americans are a spiritual people. We're happy to help members of al Qaeda meet God.)
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To: neverdem
Oink Oink
5 posted on 01/08/2004 3:41:59 PM PST by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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To: All
Off topic but--- I am searching and cannot find the article posted earlier today about the murder kidnappings today in Georgia. Anybody got a link?
6 posted on 01/08/2004 3:42:32 PM PST by Holly_P
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To: neverdem
New Jersey has to inflict its loony obsession on the rest of the country.

It's part of their incremental objective moving toward a total gun ban. I wonder if the cops would use such a system after they get blasted by quicker bad guys because of delays in the recognition system?

7 posted on 01/08/2004 3:46:35 PM PST by demlosers (Light weight and flexible - radiation shielding is solved.)
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To: *bang_list
Bang
8 posted on 01/08/2004 3:48:28 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: neverdem; All
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58120
I'm the Smart Gun Police
9 posted on 01/08/2004 3:51:42 PM PST by backhoe
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To: Holly_P
Google Georgia+kidnap or Georgia+kidnapping
10 posted on 01/08/2004 3:54:22 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: backhoe
That's a great board.
11 posted on 01/08/2004 3:54:50 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: aomagrat
Just some New Jersey Pork hidden in a much larger bill , nothing new here.
12 posted on 01/08/2004 3:55:32 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: neverdem
Police, of course, will be exempted from this "life saving" technology. Go figure.
13 posted on 01/08/2004 4:01:07 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: backhoe
Thanks for the link.
14 posted on 01/08/2004 4:03:19 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: facedown
That's a great board.

Indeed it is- I'm johnr there, as I was on the Firing Line.

15 posted on 01/08/2004 4:04:53 PM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: neverdem
Thanks for looking... I just want nothing to do with a weapon that may display on its tiny screen

"Abort, Retry, or Fail?"

Gives new meaning to The Blue Screen of Death...

16 posted on 01/08/2004 4:07:19 PM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: neverdem
Oxymoron--" Smart gun reasearch sponsored by two of New Jersey's stupidest liberals"
17 posted on 01/08/2004 4:11:35 PM PST by Renegade
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To: neverdem
"Every day, a million children live and play in homes where there are loaded guns that they have access to," said Menendez, who inserted the grant into the federal spending bill

I'd like to know the source of that 'data'.

18 posted on 01/08/2004 4:17:36 PM PST by paul51
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To: neverdem
more pork for commies
19 posted on 01/08/2004 4:19:54 PM PST by spunkets
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To: neverdem
Exactly how many law enforcement agencies are going to adopt smart gun technology? I gauruntee you, zero. Why? Because cops know that the technology is dangerous and can render a gun useless in an emergency, self defense situation. Sweaty palms and a jittery hand will give prints rejected by nearly every fingerprint biometric device out there.
20 posted on 01/08/2004 4:28:32 PM PST by Fun Bob
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
I would look to anti-gunners to insist that all non-smart guns be turned in as soon as the allegedly smart ones hit the market.

Yikes. What's harrowing about your comment is how easy it is to imagine. That would be the law that finally brought the 2nd amendment to the SCOTUS. Pray that the dingbat woman O'Connor is replaced with a conservative before that happens. I can hear that grating voice of hers...

"Well, it doesn't say you have the right to bear any arms at all.

21 posted on 01/08/2004 4:49:04 PM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: Fun Bob
IIRC, the folks a NJIT are working on a technology that senses the supposedly unique grip of each persons hand. It doesn't recognize fingerprints.

That's problematic from a few examples:
1. It assumes very little variation holding the weapon each time it's fired.
2. It assumes that there's no difference from being at the range and being in a self-defense situation when the adrenaline is flowing.
3. In the latter situation, what happen's when a right handed person has to shoot left handed or the reverse.
4. Does the impression of the grip change when firing a handgun single handed versus supported single hand?
5. What if someone's hand is bandaged or wearing gloves?

IIRC, I posted the story not long ago. I'll try to find it.
22 posted on 01/08/2004 5:47:11 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Fun Bob
The day that the president's security detail is exclusively armed with "smart guns" I'll consider buying one.

Until then it is a customized Colt 1911 for me.
23 posted on 01/08/2004 5:51:37 PM PST by IGOTMINE (All we are saying... is give guns a chance!)
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To: Fun Bob
Well ah, I thought I posted one. I hope this will do.

http://www.news12.com/NJ/topstories/article?id=88980

NJIT members help develop new electronic gun safety device

(08/31/03) NEWARK - Guns could be safer thanks to new "smart gun" technology developed in New Jersey. Members of the Australian gun manufacturer Metal Storm and the New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) have teamed up to make an electronic gun safety device.

The safety system is based on they way someone squeezes the gun while pulling the trigger. By putting pressure measurement devices on the grip of the gun, the mechanism is able to determine whether it is a grip pattern that was stored in, an authorized user or an intruder. It is in that process, during the moment of trigger pull, where the mechanism enables or disables the gun from firing.

NJIT officials say the biometric grip recognition system is potentially compatible with a conventional mechanical firearm. The new guns should be available in two to three years.

Many folks think the new technology is a good idea. Those against the "smart gun" technology say it does nothing to impact the 192 million firearms already in U.S. circulation.
24 posted on 01/08/2004 6:17:45 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
What an amazing pile of steamy horses**t.

Hey, New Jersey.............a state that always chest-thumps about how tough you are, etc., etc., yada yada.................why do you put up with this barnyard matter?

25 posted on 01/08/2004 6:20:44 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: demlosers
"I wonder if the cops would use such a system after they get blasted by quicker bad guys because of delays in the recognition system?"

Actually, cops have been exempted from being forced to use handguns with this technology. The reason is because no cop would ever take a chance with his life with such "technology". So if the cops don't have to use "smartguns" for fear of malfunction, then why should private citizens?

Answer(s):

1 - Because this is just another step towards eliminating private handgun ownership.
2 - The trial lawyers are going to make a mint suing the firearms manufacturers when these "smartguns" fail and people begin to sue.
3 - Because if there is an electronic way to enable these "smartguns" to fire, then there is most certainly an electronic way to prevent these "smartguns" from firing. Imagine if the police (or criminals) got their hands on a device that can shut off your handgun?
26 posted on 01/08/2004 6:56:47 PM PST by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
"Police, of course, will be exempted from this "life saving" technology. Go figure."

Of course they are exempt, despite the fact that many cops are killed in the line of duty with their own firearms. The cops may need this technology, but your average American does not.
27 posted on 01/08/2004 6:59:12 PM PST by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: paul51
"Every day, a million children live and play in homes where there are loaded guns that they have access to,"

Really? How can that many children have been living in such households for years without them all dying off?

28 posted on 01/08/2004 7:45:36 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: IGOTMINE
The day that the president's security detail is exclusively armed with "smart guns" I'll consider buying one

Good strategy. That's why I bought my Sig P229

29 posted on 01/08/2004 10:33:31 PM PST by paul51
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To: neverdem
My comment remains the same. You go to a gun shop, buy an electronic gun that 'fingerprints' your grip pattern standing there in the shop. I would not trust that device to be 100% reliable under a high stress life or death situation. Not for a second.

Like someone astutely observed. The day the Presidents security detail carry these weapons is they day I might consider it too.
30 posted on 01/09/2004 6:34:10 AM PST by Fun Bob
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To: neverdem
Exactly. All excellent points.

So does that mean once we have smart guns, we will be allowed to conceal carry in NJ? I doubt it. If this were a compromise to allow concealed carry, that would be one thing. But this smart gun BS is a limit on any gun sold in the state. As is, I refuse to buy handguns in NJ. Why? You need to obtain a permit to BUY. That requires fingerprinting and a 3-6 month processing time. Then the permit is good for 30 days. If you want to buy a new gun, back to refingerprinting and another 3-6 month processing. Screw that, I'll drive to Scranton and buy one.
31 posted on 01/09/2004 6:37:57 AM PST by Fun Bob
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To: Prime Choice
Wouldn't it be better for the person holding the gun to be smart?

Amen! If the Brady group and others really wanted to save lives, they would be crusading for mandatory sobriety test ignition lockouts installed on all new cars.

But they don't want to save lives, they want to get rid of their own personal boogey man, the gun. They are driven by irrational fear, not logic.

32 posted on 01/09/2004 6:52:44 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Beelzebubba
You are rapidly becoming the JH2/Kattracks of gun stories! Good work!


33 posted on 01/09/2004 7:10:29 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Constitutional Patriot
Popular Mechanics agrees.

smart guns are a Dumb Idea

http://popularmechanics.com/outdoors/firearms/2003/7/smart_guns/
34 posted on 01/09/2004 3:39:14 PM PST by Fun Bob
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