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Black Confederates
phxnews ^ | January 8, 2004 | Charles Goodson

Posted on 01/08/2004 6:40:27 PM PST by stainlessbanner

Black Confederates Why haven't we heard more about them? National Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, "I don't want to call it a conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason-Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910" Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a "cover-up" which started back in 1865. He writes, "During my research, I came across instances where Black men stated they were soldiers, but you can plainly see where 'soldier' is crossed out and 'body servant' inserted, or 'teamster' on pension applications." Another black historian, Roland Young, says he is not surprised that blacks fought. He explains that "some, if not most, Black southerners would support their country" and that by doing so they were "demonstrating it's possible to hate the system of slavery and love one's country." This is the very same reaction that most African Americans showed during the American Revolution, where they fought for the colonies, even though the British offered them freedom if they fought for them.

It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, "saw the elephant" also known as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in the war. But in the ranks it was a different story. Many Confederate officers did not obey the mandates of politicians, they frequently enlisted blacks with the simple criteria, "Will you fight?" Historian Ervin Jordan, explains that "biracial units" were frequently organized "by local Confederate and State militia Commanders in response to immediate threats in the form of Union raids". Dr. Leonard Haynes, an African-American professor at Southern University, stated, "When you eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you've eliminated the history of the South."

As the war came to an end, the Confederacy took progressive measures to build back up its army. The creation of the Confederate States Colored Troops, copied after the segregated northern colored troops, came too late to be successful. Had the Confederacy been successful, it would have created the world's largest armies (at the time) consisting of black soldiers,even larger than that of the North. This would have given the future of the Confederacy a vastly different appearance than what modern day racist or anti-Confederate liberals conjecture. Not only did Jefferson Davis envision black Confederate veterans receiving bounty lands for their service, there would have been no future for slavery after the goal of 300,000 armed black CSA veterans came home after the war.

1. The "Richmond Howitzers" were partially manned by black militiamen. They saw action at 1st Manassas (or 1st Battle of Bull Run) where they operated battery no. 2. In addition two black "regiments", one free and one slave, participated in the battle on behalf of the South. "Many colored people were killed in the action", recorded John Parker, a former slave.

2. At least one Black Confederate was a non-commissioned officer. James Washington, Co. D 35th Texas Cavalry, Confederate States Army, became it's 3rd Sergeant. Higher ranking black commissioned officers served in militia units, but this was on the State militia level (Louisiana)and not in the regular C.S. Army.

3. Free black musicians, cooks, soldiers and teamsters earned the same pay as white confederate privates. This was not the case in the Union army where blacks did not receive equal pay. At the Confederate Buffalo Forge in Rockbridge County, Virginia, skilled black workers "earned on average three times the wages of white Confederate soldiers and more than most Confederate army officers ($350- $600 a year).

4. Dr. Lewis Steiner, Chief Inspector of the United States Sanitary Commission while observing Gen. "Stonewall" Jackson's occupation of Frederick, Maryland, in 1862: "Over 3,000 Negroes must be included in this number [Confederate troops]. These were clad in all kinds of uniforms, not only in cast-off or captured United States uniforms, but in coats with Southern buttons, State buttons, etc. These were shabby, but not shabbier or seedier than those worn by white men in the rebel ranks. Most of the Negroes had arms, rifles, muskets, sabers, bowie-knives, dirks, etc.....and were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederate Army."

5. Frederick Douglas reported, "There are at the present moment many Colored men in the Confederate Army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but real soldiers, having musket on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down any loyal troops and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government and build up that of the rebels."

6. Black and white militiamen returned heavy fire on Union troops at the Battle of Griswoldsville (near Macon, GA). Approximately 600 boys and elderly men were killed in this skirmish.

7. In 1864, President Jefferson Davis approved a plan that proposed the emancipation of slaves, in return for the official recognition of the Confederacy by Britain and France. France showed interest but Britain refused.

8. The Jackson Battalion included two companies of black soldiers. They saw combat at Petersburg under Col. Shipp. "My men acted with utmost promptness and goodwill...Allow me to state sir that they behaved in an extraordinary acceptable manner."

9. Recently the National Park Service, with a recent discovery, recognized that blacks were asked to help defend the city of Petersburg, Virginia and were offered their freedom if they did so. Regardless of their official classification, black Americans performed support functions that in today's army many would be classified as official military service. The successes of white Confederate troops in battle, could only have been achieved with the support these loyal black Southerners.

10. Confederate General John B. Gordon (Army of Northern Virginia) reported that all of his troops were in favor of Colored troops and that it's adoption would have "greatly encouraged the army". Gen. Lee was anxious to receive regiments of black soldiers. The Richmond Sentinel reported on 24 Mar 1864, "None will deny that our servants are more worthy of respect than the motley hordes which come against us." "Bad faith [to black Confederates] must be avoided as an indelible dishonor."

11. In March 1865, Judah P. Benjamin, Confederate Secretary Of State, promised freedom for blacks who served from the State of Virginia. Authority for this was finally received from the State of Virginia and on April 1st 1865, $100 bounties were offered to black soldiers. Benjamin exclaimed, "Let us say to every Negro who wants to go into the ranks, go and fight, and you are free Fight for your masters and you shall have your freedom." Confederate Officers were ordered to treat them humanely and protect them from "injustice and oppression".

12. A quota was set for 300,000 black soldiers for the Confederate States Colored Troops. 83% of Richmond's male slave population volunteered for duty. A special ball was held in Richmond to raise money for uniforms for these men. Before Richmond fell, black Confederates in gray uniforms drilled in the streets. Due to the war ending, it is believed only companies or squads of these troops ever saw any action. Many more black soldiers fought for the North, but that difference was simply a difference because the North instituted this progressive policy more sooner than the more conservative South. Black soldiers from both sides received discrimination from whites who opposed the concept .

13. Union General U.S. Grant in Feb 1865, ordered the capture of "all the Negro men before the enemy can put them in their ranks." Frederick Douglass warned Lincoln that unless slaves were guaranteed freedom (those in Union controlled areas were still slaves) and land bounties, "they would take up arms for the rebels".

14. On April 4, 1865 (Amelia County, VA), a Confederate supply train was exclusively manned and guarded by black Infantry. When attacked by Federal Cavalry, they stood their ground and fought off the charge, but on the second charge they were overwhelmed. These soldiers are believed to be from "Major Turner's" Confederate command.

15. A Black Confederate, George _____, when captured by Federals was bribed to desert to the other side. He defiantly spoke, "Sir, you want me to desert, and I ain't no deserter. Down South, deserters disgrace their families and I am never going to do that."

16. Former slave, Horace King, accumulated great wealth as a contractor to the Confederate Navy. He was also an expert engineer and became known as the "Bridge builder of the Confederacy." One of his bridges was burned in a Yankee raid. His home was pillaged by Union troops, as his wife pleaded for mercy.

17. As of Feb. 1865 1,150 black seamen served in the Confederate Navy. One of these was among the last Confederates to surrender, aboard the CSS Shenandoah, six months after the war ended. This surrender took place in England.

18. Nearly 180,000 Black Southerners, from Virginia alone, provided logistical support for the Confederate military. Many were highly skilled workers. These included a wide range of jobs: nurses, military engineers, teamsters, ordnance department workers, brakemen, firemen, harness makers, blacksmiths, wagonmakers, boatmen, mechanics, wheelwrights, etc. In the 1920'S Confederate pensions were finally allowed to some of those workers that were still living. Many thousands more served in other Confederate States.

19. During the early 1900's, many members of the United Confederate Veterans (UCV) advocated awarding former slaves rural acreage and a home. There was hope that justice could be given those slaves that were once promised "forty acres and a mule" but never received any. In the 1913 Confederate Veteran magazine published by the UCV, it was printed that this plan "If not Democratic, it is [the] Confederate" thing to do. There was much gratitude toward former slaves, which "thousands were loyal, to the last degree", now living with total poverty of the big cities. Unfortunately, their proposal fell on deaf ears on Capitol Hill.

20. During the 50th Anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg in 1913, arrangements were made for a joint reunion of Union and Confederate veterans. The commission in charge of the event made sure they had enough accommodations for the black Union veterans, but were completely surprised when unexpected black Confederates arrived. The white Confederates immediately welcomed their old comrades, gave them one of their tents, and "saw to their every need". Nearly every Confederate reunion including those blacks that served with them, wearing the gray.

21. The first military monument in the US Capitol that honors an African-American soldier is the Confederate monument at Arlington National cemetery. The monument was designed 1914 by Moses Ezekiel, a Jewish Confederate. Who wanted to correctly portray the "racial makeup" in the Confederate Army. A black Confederate soldier is depicted marching in step with white Confederate soldiers. Also shown is one "white soldier giving his child to a black woman for protection".- source: Edward Smith, African American professor at the American University, Washington DC.

22. Black Confederate heritage is beginning to receive the attention it deserves. For instance, Terri Williams, a black journalist for the Suffolk "Virginia Pilot" newspaper, writes: "I've had to re-examine my feelings toward the [Confederate] flag started when I read a newspaper article about an elderly black man whose ancestor worked with the Confederate forces. The man spoke with pride about his family member's contribution to the cause, was photographed with the [Confederate] flag draped over his lap that's why I now have no definite stand on just what the flag symbolizes, because it no longer is their history, or my history, but our history."


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To: U S Army EOD
I didn't say they broke into Bastone, they were the first to push the Germans back.

Bastogne.

Here's what you wrote;

"They were the first to break through the German lines with the 4th Armored following through their successes and getting all the credit and glory for it."

4th AD broke into Bastogne.

Lt. Col Abrams was the C.O. of the unit that broke in.

How odd you bounced on his knee and didn't know that.

Walt

121 posted on 01/09/2004 8:09:16 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Tell it to your srink.
122 posted on 01/09/2004 8:09:23 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Thats right the 4th AD capitilized on what the 6th did. Did you read any of the history on the 6th. How many of these people have you personally met and talked to and how many of the actual histories do you own and have read? I went to Bastone when I was very young but still can remember what I saw there. Everything around there had Nuts still painted on it as late as 1950-1951. This was long before you were still poo pooing yellow, sonny.

You really need help.
123 posted on 01/09/2004 8:15:36 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: Main Street
Yep, black, while, yellow, or red back then, it was not good to be on the bottom of the economic ladder.
124 posted on 01/09/2004 8:17:09 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: U S Army EOD
I went to Bastone...

Bastogne.

Walt

125 posted on 01/09/2004 8:18:52 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: U S Army EOD
You are wrong again, the English hunted slavers.

The slave trade was outlawed in the U.S. in 1808.

The British outlawed slavery in 1833.

Walt

126 posted on 01/09/2004 8:20:38 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
So
127 posted on 01/09/2004 8:25:12 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: U S Army EOD
Did you read any of the history on the 6th.

Both the 4th and 6th AD's were outstanding units. General Robert Grow of the Super Sixth and General John S. Wood were both outstanding commanders. I have Baldwin's bio of General Wood, "Tiger Jack".

The 6th I am less familar with, but I know you know even less.

Walt

128 posted on 01/09/2004 8:25:14 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Shouldn't you take something to calm down and try to get back on the actual subject. Why do you enjoy starting fights with people, not just me but a lot of other FReepers? This was a pretty good thread until you started trying to get attention again.
129 posted on 01/09/2004 8:27:52 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: U S Army EOD; stainlessbanner
I was about to FReepmail Mr.B and congratulate him on a civil war thread that actually turned out to be W--- free and very decent.
130 posted on 01/09/2004 8:31:01 PM PST by cyborg
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To: WhiskeyPapa
I got my information from the official division hstory book of the 6th Armored and combat history of the 15th Tank Bn both of which I still have copies. I also got it from my father and other members of the division who were actually there. How about you?

What has this got to do with Black Confederates?

Why do you like to upset people? Has this got anything to do with you being banned before?
131 posted on 01/09/2004 8:33:47 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: cyborg
Yes but then along came Walt, sigh and things just turned to doo doo as they normally do when he shows up.
132 posted on 01/09/2004 8:37:51 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: U S Army EOD
Shouldn't you take something to calm down and try to get back on the actual subject.

I enjoy exposing liars and the clueless.

I'm still trying to figure where you fit.

Walt

133 posted on 01/09/2004 8:37:59 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Walt all your life you will probably trying to figure out things but you never will.
134 posted on 01/09/2004 8:41:37 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: U S Army EOD
Shouldn't you take something to calm down...

Still online?

What was the word that appeared on the 4th AD patch? What was the nickname of the 4th AD?

Tick tick. Time now is @ 11:45 EST.

Walt

135 posted on 01/09/2004 8:42:16 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
This thread is about Black Conferates isn't it?
136 posted on 01/09/2004 8:44:03 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: U S Army EOD
This thread is about Black Conferates isn't it?

4th AD ia known as the "Breakthrough" division.

That word appears on the division patch.

1 AD: Old Ironsides

2 AD Hell on Wheels

3 AD Thundering Third (I think)

4th AD -- the Breakthough Division.

And -you- knew General Abrams?

What was the name he gave to all his tanks?

Tick tick.

Walt

137 posted on 01/09/2004 8:49:47 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: U S Army EOD; stainlessbanner
This thread is about Black Conferates isn't it?

This thread is about ignorance.

Walt

138 posted on 01/09/2004 8:52:25 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: U S Army EOD
By the way, I have a picture of me about 6 years old sitting in the lap of Col. Abrams in Hersfield, Germany in about 1951...

The name of all of Lt. Col. Abrams's tanks was "THUNDERBOLT".

Since you don't seem to know.

Walt

139 posted on 01/09/2004 8:57:42 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: WhiskeyPapa; U S Army EOD
False. Most slave ships were flagged in Britain

False

With Great Britain, France, Portugal, Spain, and the United States all having outlawed the Slave Trade by 1820, military efforts were begun by all these nations to enforce the ban

With no way of stopping them, vessels flying the US flag were virtually immune from prosecution, and American ships entered a golden period of slave trading

For the next twenty years, ensuring the ability of US ships to sail unimpeded by others was the main object of the African Squadron

Here

Slavers in the 19th century often found protection for the illicit trade by sailing their vessels under the American flag. This unintended haven was the result of a deep-seated distrust of the fledgling United States toward the British, and their policies in Africa. Since the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812, Great Britain had been the traditional political rival of the US; and as the young nation’s productivity began to grow, also an economic rival.

Here

Of course I'm sure a list of at least some of the ships flying under the union colors and delivering slaves could be produced if need be.

140 posted on 01/09/2004 9:10:06 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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